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Jayzero

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Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« on: May 27, 2009, 07:08:04 AM »
I have all storm products... Gravity Shift, Virtual Gravity, Street Rod Pearl, Jolt Pearl, Dimension... and Hy-road.

I like them all except the Hy-Road. I got it to fill the gap between my Shift and my Street Rod but I can't seem to find a condition that I like it with. I feel like its TOO agressive off the dry but NOT aggressive at all if it encounters oil. So what I get is a MAJOR  over/under ball... even on a walled up pattern. If I go in to the oil it won't make it back, and if I get it out to the dry I'm going up the nose. I had the EXACT same problem with the Rapid Fire but I figured it was a fluke. I started at box surface polished, and then changed it to 4000 polish to at least make it less aggressive in the dry, but it's still not consistent. I don't know what else to do.

Any suggestions?



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Kid Jete

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2009, 03:12:29 PM »
4000 polished would make it MORE aggressive off the dry.  Try 2000 Abralon and if that starts up too early try 4000 Abralon.  When a polished ball is over/under the first thing to try is knocking off the polish.  If the HyRoad is drilled with a long pin to PAP and the surface adjustment doesn't work, plug it an move the pin down towards your PAP a bit more to get it into an earlier, more predictable roll.

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NoseofRI

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2009, 03:14:56 PM »
I have absolutely loved my hy-road since the day I got it.  I have left mine in box and use it all the time.  In your case it almost sounds like scuffing it a bit, maybe by hand with like a 4000 or 2000 abralon pad might do the trick for you.  Maybe just try to break that factory polish a bit to help smooth it a bit more.

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2009, 03:22:44 PM »
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I feel like its TOO agressive off the dry but NOT aggressive at all if it encounters oil. So what I get is a MAJOR  over/under ball... even on a walled up pattern. If I go in to the oil it won't make it back, and if I get it out to the dry I'm going up the nose.
I run into the same exact problem with ALL of Storm's equipment that comes polished out of the box.  The OOB finish they use is too shiny for my game.  Sanding to either 1000 or 2000 abralon depending on the reaction I want, then applying a much lighter coat of polish (I like polishing by hand, without a spinner, with Snake Oil personally) really brings the ball to life for me.  More midlane read, better reaction in oil, and more controlled reaction off the dry.

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2009, 03:56:12 PM »
I too would suggest that you knock off the polish.  Make sure that you take it down somewhat low (500 grit or 1000 grit) before putting it at a grit you would like to try (2000 or 4000 for instance).  If you go straight to 2000 or 4000, you may not remove the polish from the box finish.

The hyroad core has a higher rg AND a higher differential.  The other stuff in your bag has lower rgs paired with higher differentials (virtual, gravity, & dimension) or higher rgs with lower differentials (street rod, & jolt).  The core in the hyroad will tend to make the ball go longer than the first grouping with a stronger move off the dry than the second grouping, which is consistent with the over-under you may be seeing.  Moreover, the only ball that you have listed with similar core numbers is the Rapid Fire...

By sanding the ball a bit you should smooth out the over-under and get a much better ball reaction.  The coverstock is even more important than the drilling/core strength, so there is alot that you can try without making a major change.  Hope this helps...
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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2009, 03:57:03 PM »
Hope this is not off-topic too much. Different ball....same manufacturer....same disappointment with results.

Am experiencing similar problem with the Virtual Gravity. Added a little polish last week, and at first it seemed to help with consistency, but I have thrown more gutter balls with this ball than I can remember ---cause I have this misplaced confidence that it can recover from any kind of operator error. It can't. And if I slow it down or try to add some revs (not something I do well anyway), I end up on the wrong side of the headpin more often than not.

People tell me it's cause I am throwing the ball wrong and not giving it a chance to roll. And they are correct and there ARE flaws in my game. But I ALSO tend to not let my other equipment roll, and yet this ball seems to act like a knuckle ball in my hands and magnify all of the flaws in my delivery. It's the first ball in 40 years (and having owned 20-25 overall) that violates the code ---if there were such a code of ethics for bowling balls like there is for Doctors--- that says to first, do no harm.

First ball ever, that I am seriously considering selling, though do not want to take the monetary loss and go through the hassle of the transaction.

Is there any adjustment that (without knowing all the technical specs for my CG and Pin, etc.) might help save this ball from becoming my first ever reject at such an early age?

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2009, 04:12:09 PM »
Thanks all, I think I'm going to take that advice and drop it down to between 1000-2000 (maybe with a hand polish) after I take it down to 500 to clean off the factory surface. I'll let you know how it goes!

Thanks again!
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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2009, 04:24:21 PM »
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Hope this is not off-topic too much. Different ball....same manufacturer....same disappointment with results.

Am experiencing similar problem with the Virtual Gravity. Added a little polish last week, and at first it seemed to help with consistency, but I have thrown more gutter balls with this ball than I can remember ---cause I have this misplaced confidence that it can recover from any kind of operator error. It can't. And if I slow it down or try to add some revs (not something I do well anyway), I end up on the wrong side of the headpin more often than not.

People tell me it's cause I am throwing the ball wrong and not giving it a chance to roll. And they are correct and there ARE flaws in my game. But I ALSO tend to not let my other equipment roll, and yet this ball seems to act like a knuckle ball in my hands and magnify all of the flaws in my delivery. It's the first ball in 40 years (and having owned 20-25 overall) that violates the code ---if there were such a code of ethics for bowling balls like there is for Doctors--- that says to first, do no harm.

First ball ever, that I am seriously considering selling, though do not want to take the monetary loss and go through the hassle of the transaction.

Is there any adjustment that (without knowing all the technical specs for my CG and Pin, etc.) might help save this ball from becoming my first ever reject at such an early age?


Sounds more or less like coaching would be your best benefit.  Throwing many gutter balls has NOTHING to do with the ball.  If your too mistakes are either the ball goes in the gutter or it hooks to the brooklyn side, then you also need to move your feet.  But honestly try some coaching.

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2009, 04:51:00 PM »
Dan Belcher is right on the mark. I used 1000 ab and hand polish with reacta shine. Does excellent job and changes the characteristics of the ball roll.

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2009, 05:05:55 PM »
I didn't care for mine originally. But after using it at 2000 grit abralon for a while and doing well and then finishing it with Resurrection and Snake Oil (great products BTW) I've found it to be money. At either finish the ball has worked very well for me, it took a while but now i've got comfortable with it and have been doing well.

Most people I know however just loved the ball from the get go, i almost sold it but I hate to not try surfaces and such, and i'm very thankful that I did as the ball is doing great for me now.

Also, for you i'd suggest using some surface, this will get the ball to dig a bit in the oil and be smoother off the dry part of the lane. I can't guarantee that it will be the almighty problem solver but its worth a shot.
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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2009, 10:24:21 PM »
I'm not saying some coaching wouldn't be beneficial, but the problem I am having is just with the VG. Soon as I switch to another ball....ANY other ball in my arsenal...my shots become more consistent.

I did decide to go the other way and had it dulled down (to about 800).  Then I rolled several games and although the ball had a nice reaction, it's still not working for me. The lanes were on the oily side too, but the ball is just way too sensitive to something---speed---release? I don't know. I DO know that I'm missing a lot on both sides of the lane, and that just isn't me ---coaching or not.

Normally my issues consist of consistently missing right OR left. Not both in the same session, and not randomly as it has been with the VG. And when I said I was throwing gutters, I meant a few spread over 15-20 games. But they were not drops of mistimed releases. They were balls intended to come back, that just kept on going without ever turning.

Going to shelve it for several days and then give it another workout in league and see if the duller surface helps.  If not... it's going to make history by being the first ball I ever gave up on....period.

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 11:15:29 PM »
I am in complete agreement with absolutebowling. If you are going Brooklyn and throwing gutter balls in the same game check your release and the fit of the ball. Get a ball that works well for you and set it beside the Hy-Road. Put your hand in the other ball, now remove the thumb in slow motion. Note how the thumb feels and how it clears the ball. Now try this with the Hy-Road. Most likely you will see the thumb hanging at some point. Moreover you will likely find that the two thumb holes are not carved out the same. Get a wooden dowel or pen and some course and fine sandpaper. Wrap the sandpaper around the pen and make the Hy-Road identical to the ball you like. It won't take more than 6 or 7 minutes. You can switch you hand back and forth between the balls to check the fit and feel.

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2009, 11:47:25 PM »
Well...   a couple of mentions....

It's the Virtual Gravity, not the Hy-Road that I'm having trouble with. Though, this WAS a post about the Hy-Road and I kind of jumped in cause it seemed a similar issue to the original poster.

And... the Virtual is drilled --- or supposed to be --- the same as several other balls in my arsenal.  However... last night was rather warm inside the bowling center, and even after removing the last piece of tape from the thumbhole, my VG WAS a tad too snug.  I am reluctant to mess with that aspect, though, cause [at least in theory] it's an exact match of the other balls.  Except--- the thumbslug appears to be a slightly different material than the rest, so maybe it's a tackier feel and that's  making it more difficult for a completely clean release?

It's not as if I was in danger of not being able to exit the thumbhole, but it was a smidgen snugger than optimal.  And that surely would cut down on revs and cause the kind of inconsistency I'm experiencing.

So... at first I was going to say that it can't be the drilling, since it's supposed to be the same as the other balls and it ---for the most part ---FEELS the same. But it wouldn't hurt to have the thumbhole compared to one of the other balls. I am VERY sensitive to minor differences in the fit of the thumb, therefore, it wouldn't take much to affect my delivery.

Or... I could just leave the ball alone until the fall, when the cooler weather will cause my thumb to shrink in relation to the hole and if I suddenly start bowling "lights out" with the VG, it will be interesting.

Anyway...Thanks.  Although I really dont want to admit the fit may need some fine tuning, I am glad you mentioned it.

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2009, 07:36:23 AM »
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Anyway...Thanks.  Although I really dont want to admit the fit may need some fine tuning, I am glad you mentioned it.
I would rather have my thumbhole a touch too big and adjust with tape than I would try to make it fit perfect without tape.  My thumb changes sizes enough that I basically rebuild my thumbhole with tape every few weeks.  I use one or two pieces of white tape in the front for grip, then just line the rest of the thumbhole with Franken Tape since it's slick tape and it's very thin, which let me really finely adjust how tight the sides of my thumb are.  Since I have a pretty ovaled thumb, this helps me come out of the ball much more cleanly when my thumb starts acting up.  Before I did this, I had trouble with having zero consistency once my thumb got even just a little tight.

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2009, 10:27:58 AM »
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I feel like its TOO agressive off the dry but NOT aggressive at all if it encounters oil. So what I get is a MAJOR  over/under ball... even on a walled up pattern. If I go in to the oil it won't make it back, and if I get it out to the dry I'm going up the nose.
I run into the same exact problem with ALL of Storm's equipment that comes polished out of the box.  The OOB finish they use is too shiny for my game.  Sanding to either 1000 or 2000 abralon depending on the reaction I want, then applying a much lighter coat of polish (I like polishing by hand, without a spinner, with Snake Oil personally) really brings the ball to life for me.  More midlane read, better reaction in oil, and more controlled reaction off the dry.


Also a bit off-topic, but how do you polish by hand?  I don't have a spinner, or the money to take my equipment into the pro shop as often as I like.

Seeing as I don't see too much oil out here, I like to keep a nice shine on my T-Road Pearl and Cherry Vibe.