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Jayzero

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Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« on: May 27, 2009, 07:08:04 AM »
I have all storm products... Gravity Shift, Virtual Gravity, Street Rod Pearl, Jolt Pearl, Dimension... and Hy-road.

I like them all except the Hy-Road. I got it to fill the gap between my Shift and my Street Rod but I can't seem to find a condition that I like it with. I feel like its TOO agressive off the dry but NOT aggressive at all if it encounters oil. So what I get is a MAJOR  over/under ball... even on a walled up pattern. If I go in to the oil it won't make it back, and if I get it out to the dry I'm going up the nose. I had the EXACT same problem with the Rapid Fire but I figured it was a fluke. I started at box surface polished, and then changed it to 4000 polish to at least make it less aggressive in the dry, but it's still not consistent. I don't know what else to do.

Any suggestions?



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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2009, 02:11:25 PM »
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I feel like its TOO agressive off the dry but NOT aggressive at all if it encounters oil. So what I get is a MAJOR  over/under ball... even on a walled up pattern. If I go in to the oil it won't make it back, and if I get it out to the dry I'm going up the nose.
I run into the same exact problem with ALL of Storm's equipment that comes polished out of the box.  The OOB finish they use is too shiny for my game.  Sanding to either 1000 or 2000 abralon depending on the reaction I want, then applying a much lighter coat of polish (I like polishing by hand, without a spinner, with Snake Oil personally) really brings the ball to life for me.  More midlane read, better reaction in oil, and more controlled reaction off the dry.


Also a bit off-topic, but how do you polish by hand?  I don't have a spinner, or the money to take my equipment into the pro shop as often as I like.

Seeing as I don't see too much oil out here, I like to keep a nice shine on my T-Road Pearl and Cherry Vibe.
Just like it sounds.  Take a towel (microfiber works really well), apply some polish, and rub!  A little elbow grease and a little effort is involved, but it's also not going to burn in the polish and give you that super high gloss shine you'd get if you did it on a spinner.  (Also, if you don't see much oil and need help getting not only more length, but less overall hook, you might try something like Valentino's UFO polish or something else with a slip agent in it)

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2009, 04:27:30 PM »
mine was just too much period oob... i hit it with a 4000 lightly then some diamond gloss.  have a t-road pearl with xact smae layout, the hyroad is 3-6 more boards stronger and likes carry down

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2009, 05:36:42 PM »
I have had the exact same problem with my HyRoad drilled pin under, No. 1 drilling. I OOB, the ball was jumpy off the dry, and seemed to skid if I missed the slightest bit inside. Took the ball to 2000 and polished with Bean's sauce. This solved my problem with over/under and made the ball useable. In fact, I shot a 723 with it last week on Brunswick lanes.

I still have not found the right surface for my VG, drilled pin up, No. 1 drilling. At this point, I am more impressed with my Gravity Shift than either the HyRoad or VG. However, generally, the more time I spend with new balls, the more I seem to like them. I had my Gravity Shift for 6 months before I finally grew to appreciate the ball. (Shooting my first 700 series with it didn't hurt either.

I have held off on writing reviews on my VG or HyRoad because I think my problem is more one of finding the right surface and matching up,  than whether the balls are good or bad. When I hit pay-dirt, I will post a review.

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2009, 07:25:17 AM »
I have my Hy-Road drilled with a 5" pin above fingers and CG at 60 degrees, with a balance hole.  it can be very jumpy on the fresh oil, depending on the pattern, but i drilled it for use in later games after the heads were burnt up and you have to play deeper.  it is perfect for this, and when others are struggling to find a shot and score, the Hy-Road comes into its own.  i have also used it with success up the boards with no hand or rotation it is very versatile.

Having said that, at first it was very sensitive to how much speed, rotation and revs i put on the ball, but after i experimented a bit, it now does what i want it to, when i want it to. i like the surface as is and the length it gives me with this drilling - it rolls different to my other equipment and that is a good thing.
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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2009, 08:03:41 AM »
I too would like to take this off-topic just a bit. I have a Hy-Road, and I like it a lot. I don't have the over/under the OP sees. But I do have a quick question about the Hy-Road though. I have used mine quite a bit and see a track in the polished surface....what do I need to do to get it back to the OOB finish? I believe it was 1500 grit polished OOB....but I am not sure how to get it back to that now. I have not seen a 1500 grit polish on the market, but then again, I haven't really looked too hard yet. Any suggestions?
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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2009, 08:52:38 AM »
Jorge300,

Here's the information from Storm on how to get the ball back to as close to original as possible.  It's worked great for me.

Here is a general FAQ I created to help answer your resurfacing questions. You may find it useful for your other equipment as well.

Thank you for contacting us with your concern. As far as ball reaction is concerned, we have several recommendations to maintain ball performance and life, but the primary area of concern is with the surface topography of the ball. As a quick over-view, surface topography in the bowling industry has been measured with specific ‘Ra’ and ‘Rs’ standards. These values directly relate to how aggressive the coverstock is and how much friction the coverstock can generate. The Ra value measures the standard deviations above or below the surface of the ball. For example, a series of high peaks and low valleys would be measured with an extremely high Ra value. Likewise, the Great Plains with a relatively smooth landscape and rolling hills would have a low Ra value. Rs isn’t as important, but by definition is the average distance between each individual peaks.

 The reason these numbers are important is because of the correlation between ball reaction and high Ra and Rs values. Essentially, the greater the Ra and Rs number, the more friction the coverstock can generate. The more friction the coverstock can generate, the greater hook potential the ball will have. What happens when a ball dies is the coverstock has lost the surface deviations originally found on the ball from the out of box finish. These deviations (high Ra and Rs numbers) are created in our finishing and rounding process by creating deep grooves, cuts, and scars on the surface of ball. Later, when the ball is finished, these rough surface deviations are smoothed and ‘polished’ but they aren’t completely removed. If you were to then examine the coverstock on a micron level, the steep peaks and valleys would still be on the surface of the ball, but they would be rounded. This creates the type of ball motion where the ball will still skid through the heads and midlanes cleanly, but still have a tremendous amount of friction generation capabilities as the ball enters the buff or exits the pattern.

 However, as the ball encounters normal use, these peaks slowly flatten and the valleys collapse. If measured after normal use, the once high Ra and Rs numbers would be much lower than the previous out of box finish. Hence, the ball slowly loses ball reaction with each use. Cleaning the surface will help keep the ball reaction consistent and also break down lane oil, but it isn’t capable of restoring original out of box Ra and Rs values. Luckily, our research has found a fairly simple method to restore the out of box finish.

In order to restore these numbers, abralon pads are recommended for virtually every ball in our current or past production line. The easiest and fastest way to refinish the ball is to use a 360 grit abralon pad on the ball. If the ball is being finished by machine, 60 seconds is usually sufficient whereas other methods may take longer. The whole idea is to thoroughly, cut, scar and groove the surface of the ball with the 360 grit pad. Before finishing the 360 grit, make sure the entire surface of the ball has been evenly cut. If it is done by hand or by a ball spinner, a cross-hatch finish is recommended. For the next stage, very lightly sand the surface with a 500 grit abralon pad. This will lower the Ra and Rs values slightly, but it isn’t going to completely destroy the surface deviations created from the previous stage.

After the ball has been lightly sanded with 500 grit abralon, please skip directly to the original out of box finish. For example a 4000 grit finish, no polish would require using a 360 grit abralon pad, then light application of a 500 abralon pad finally, skip the 1000 and 2000 stages and go directly to the 4000 finish. The 360 and 500 grit abralon pads will reproduce the original deep grooves and cuts from the factory rounding and finishing process setting the foundation for the final finish. Then, by skipping directly to the 4000 grit abralon stage, the surface will be smoothed and ‘polished’ without destroying the surface deviations. This effectively leaves the surface with the high peaks and deep valleys, but they aren’t as sharp or jagged. This should restore the original ball reaction allowing the ball to skid on oil, read the lighter buff areas of the pattern and still have amazing recovery potential on the backend.

For polished balls, reproduce the 360 and 500 grit finish and then apply Storm Step 2 Finishing Compound. This is the exact same finishing compound we use on all of our 1500 grit polished balls. The trick to the polish application is to use less polish and very light pressure. Step 2 Finishing Compound has a resurfacing medium in it that sands the ball while it is being polished over-application of the compound will effectively destroy the same surface deviations that originally gave the ball it’s strong out of box finish.

The key to restoring any finish is deeply cutting the ball with the fresh 360 grit abralon pad and then very lightly applying a 500 grit pad. The same is true of the final  step as well. Over-application of the 1000, 2000, or 4000 grit pads can destroy the surface deviations created by the 360 and 500 steps weakening the over-all ball reaction.

Hopefully, if the sanding process has been repeated successfully, the end results will yield a ball with nearly the exact same Ra and Rs values originally found on the out of box finish restoring life back into the ball.
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Jorge300

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2009, 02:16:10 PM »
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Jorge300,

Here's the information from Storm on how to get the ball back to as close to original as possible.  It's worked great for me.

Here is a general FAQ I created to help answer your resurfacing questions. You may find it useful for your other equipment as well.

Thank you for contacting us with your concern. As far as ball reaction is concerned, we have several recommendations to maintain ball performance and life, but the primary area of concern is with the surface topography of the ball. As a quick over-view, surface topography in the bowling industry has been measured with specific ‘Ra’ and ‘Rs’ standards. These values directly relate to how aggressive the coverstock is and how much friction the coverstock can generate. The Ra value measures the standard deviations above or below the surface of the ball. For example, a series of high peaks and low valleys would be measured with an extremely high Ra value. Likewise, the Great Plains with a relatively smooth landscape and rolling hills would have a low Ra value. Rs isn’t as important, but by definition is the average distance between each individual peaks.

 The reason these numbers are important is because of the correlation between ball reaction and high Ra and Rs values. Essentially, the greater the Ra and Rs number, the more friction the coverstock can generate. The more friction the coverstock can generate, the greater hook potential the ball will have. What happens when a ball dies is the coverstock has lost the surface deviations originally found on the ball from the out of box finish. These deviations (high Ra and Rs numbers) are created in our finishing and rounding process by creating deep grooves, cuts, and scars on the surface of ball. Later, when the ball is finished, these rough surface deviations are smoothed and ‘polished’ but they aren’t completely removed. If you were to then examine the coverstock on a micron level, the steep peaks and valleys would still be on the surface of the ball, but they would be rounded. This creates the type of ball motion where the ball will still skid through the heads and midlanes cleanly, but still have a tremendous amount of friction generation capabilities as the ball enters the buff or exits the pattern.

 However, as the ball encounters normal use, these peaks slowly flatten and the valleys collapse. If measured after normal use, the once high Ra and Rs numbers would be much lower than the previous out of box finish. Hence, the ball slowly loses ball reaction with each use. Cleaning the surface will help keep the ball reaction consistent and also break down lane oil, but it isn’t capable of restoring original out of box Ra and Rs values. Luckily, our research has found a fairly simple method to restore the out of box finish.

In order to restore these numbers, abralon pads are recommended for virtually every ball in our current or past production line. The easiest and fastest way to refinish the ball is to use a 360 grit abralon pad on the ball. If the ball is being finished by machine, 60 seconds is usually sufficient whereas other methods may take longer. The whole idea is to thoroughly, cut, scar and groove the surface of the ball with the 360 grit pad. Before finishing the 360 grit, make sure the entire surface of the ball has been evenly cut. If it is done by hand or by a ball spinner, a cross-hatch finish is recommended. For the next stage, very lightly sand the surface with a 500 grit abralon pad. This will lower the Ra and Rs values slightly, but it isn’t going to completely destroy the surface deviations created from the previous stage.

After the ball has been lightly sanded with 500 grit abralon, please skip directly to the original out of box finish. For example a 4000 grit finish, no polish would require using a 360 grit abralon pad, then light application of a 500 abralon pad finally, skip the 1000 and 2000 stages and go directly to the 4000 finish. The 360 and 500 grit abralon pads will reproduce the original deep grooves and cuts from the factory rounding and finishing process setting the foundation for the final finish. Then, by skipping directly to the 4000 grit abralon stage, the surface will be smoothed and ‘polished’ without destroying the surface deviations. This effectively leaves the surface with the high peaks and deep valleys, but they aren’t as sharp or jagged. This should restore the original ball reaction allowing the ball to skid on oil, read the lighter buff areas of the pattern and still have amazing recovery potential on the backend.

For polished balls, reproduce the 360 and 500 grit finish and then apply Storm Step 2 Finishing Compound. This is the exact same finishing compound we use on all of our 1500 grit polished balls. The trick to the polish application is to use less polish and very light pressure. Step 2 Finishing Compound has a resurfacing medium in it that sands the ball while it is being polished over-application of the compound will effectively destroy the same surface deviations that originally gave the ball it’s strong out of box finish.

The key to restoring any finish is deeply cutting the ball with the fresh 360 grit abralon pad and then very lightly applying a 500 grit pad. The same is true of the final  step as well. Over-application of the 1000, 2000, or 4000 grit pads can destroy the surface deviations created by the 360 and 500 steps weakening the over-all ball reaction.

Hopefully, if the sanding process has been repeated successfully, the end results will yield a ball with nearly the exact same Ra and Rs values originally found on the out of box finish restoring life back into the ball.
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Jayzero

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2009, 08:44:14 AM »
Just an update to this original issue... I took the advice given here and cut the polish off with 500, then stepped up to 2000 with no polish. All of a sudden this was a new ball. This ball is now a strong mid lane reader, is totally predictable, makes a strong rounded turn at the break point, and never stops finishing.

Thanks everyone for your input, it's changed the way I'm looking at ALL of my surfaces now. I have a lot of hand and have never thought I could throw a dull ball on anything but desert, but Storm has truly created a great product that can get through the heads clean WITHOUT polish!

Thanks again!
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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2009, 10:51:56 PM »
Smoothing the cover out with some abralon should help as previously suggested. If that doesnt fit the look you wanted, you can sell it to me

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Re: Anyone else have issues with the Hy-road?
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2009, 11:00:15 PM »
I've found mine works pretty well with the polish knocked off of it, so anything you can do to take that polish off is a must.  I left mine at box surface when I first got it and all it did was skate.

I think right now its at 1000 matte or something like that and works well on the synthetic lanes I'm bowling on now.
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