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lefty50

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Avoiding particle
« on: December 17, 2019, 09:04:09 PM »
Once again tonight in league I am reminded that I hate anything that even sniffs of particle Technology. I know the manufacturers don’t blatantly state it anymore but subtly change the terminology. Is there any guaranteed way for Storm equipment that I can guarantee before purchasing that I am working with something devoid of particle technology?

 

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2019, 09:20:20 AM »
Well, more motion than is on the right side of wherever you're bowling at anyway.  On a symmetric pattern, whatever ball motion a righty has, a lefty will have more and a stronger reaction.  Lefties have less room to work with left to right, but the reaction is definitely stronger than the opposite side of the lane as well as sharper. 

I'm not entirely sure . . I know R2S doesn't, so anything with R2S, not entirely sure about SureTrax on the Wild Streak, but I know eTrax doesn't, so Idol Pearl and Pro are safe, Hustles and MVPs are safe, Hyroads except the All Road are safe, Phaze 2 feels like there's some nano in it, I'd avoid the SPEC balls because they almost feel even more like nano than nano does, so you've still got a fair amount of stuff to work with.  PhysiX has nano but really doesn't feel like it, pretty sharp off friction. 

Plenty of motion on the left side already?????? Ummmm. No.....

Curiosity though, what Storm balls do NOT have Nano in the current lineup?
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2019, 10:23:47 AM »
Thanks. We'll have to agree to disagree on the left/right controversy and save that for next year. I've been avoiding SPEC because it looked too smooth, but I do love my Phaze II and thinking the Physix may be a good play. Wondering about Phaze III though also.

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2019, 10:47:43 AM »
Thanks. We'll have to agree to disagree on the left/right controversy and save that for next year. I've been avoiding SPEC because it looked too smooth, but I do love my Phaze II and thinking the Physix may be a good play. Wondering about Phaze III though also.

 
I find it interesting that you'll "agree to disagree" with the assessment of someone who has bowling skills with both hands. I only throw right handed, but bowl extensively with some very talented lefties. We've had many conversations on this subject and they pretty much go with Luke's take. Oh well.....

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2019, 11:01:53 AM »
Sorry Steven, but with 62 years under my belt on the lanes, I'll disagree with whoever I feel like regardless of their motion opinion. Some of it may be a low rev style but quite frankly brother, you can't have it both ways. You can't out of one side of your mouth have the literally thousands of conversations about lefties never being able to open the lane until game 3 and then say there's more backend. Those two statements are incompatible....
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2019, 11:52:35 AM »
Now I'am confused with this thread..I absolutly love my Crux Prime,Sync,Sure lock and my intense..Thats usually what I bring to my League throwing on a 42 ft ths..I play second arrow up the boards..There a total of 4 leftys including me in my league so I Have plenty of oil all night..Everything is pin up except my Sure lock is pin down under my ring finger..So what gives?

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2020, 11:52:07 AM »
NRg technology (particle) is a great thing when put in the right situation. It’s all about matching up correctly to the bowler, person throwing it.. Lots of factors involved in using it successfully. Lane condition, lane surface, bowlers ball speed, tilt, rotation, drilling, etc. For me with my slow speed I hated the idols with the particle technology, just burned up and quit on the backend. Most people around here kill it with the idols, just didn’t match up for my game. However love the hyroad nano (solid) and just drilled an all road (hybrid) which I love also. The higher rg of the roads with the nano covers match up well for me as long as I have some oil volume. Much smoother than the other  hyroads which are hit and miss for me(can get over under and too hard off the spot) at times, especially on fresh. For me the higher rg of the roads paired with nano technology is a perfect match for my game. Looking forward to a nano (pearl) road which hopefully comes next. Happy new year and happy bowling to all.
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2020, 12:37:28 PM »
What are we talking about now?  I have several years of experience on BOTH sides of the lane, so when it comes to a COMPARISON of one side of the lane vs the other, I have years of experience over someone else who only bowls on one side or the other regardless of how long they've bowled on that one side.  Generally nano stuff is overkill on the left side ON A HOUSE SHOT, if you can use it, cool.  Most house shots don't have the volume or the length for it to be effective.  Smoother stuff in general tended to work better though because of the sharper and cleaner move on that side VS THE RIGHT SIDE. 

I'm not sure who you were talking about as far as the thousands of comments about lefties not being able to open the lane up until late, but that side having more backend . . but I'll address that while we're here.  Those aren't opposite, those aren't incompatible.  The left side of the lane is tighter than the right, there's less area to get to the pocket, and with most of the time only your traffic on that side, it will take longer to "open up" and soften the reaction a little to where it's not so sharp and springy when you miss inside.  So yes, both those things are accurate and can exist.  It takes longer to "open the lane" up, which means to gain more area on the lane to hit the pocket from, BECAUSE the backends are stiffer on that side than they are on the right.  Lefties have little to no miss room inside because of the sharper backends, and because the amount of traffic is lower over there, it takes longer for the lanes to open up . .

Just because they don't feel "sharp" to you, doesn't mean the strength of your motion isn't still stronger on your side of the lane than it is on the right side.  I'm talking comparison, not hard and fast rules about the left side of the lane.  I'm not saying the backends on the left side of the lane are sharp, I'm saying they're sharpER than the right side, that IS a thing.  Righties have more room on the lane specifically because the ball motion on the backend isn't as sharp, that's why righties have more miss room inside . . because the backends aren't as strong or sharp on that side.  I'm not sure what's being missed here. 
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2020, 12:58:50 PM »
I bowled 20 years right handed - averaging 225 with 9-300 games and 3-800 series. I had to switch to lefty 12 years ago and have built myself up to now averaging 220 with 3-300 games but no 800 sets. Point is I’ve experienced both sides of the lane as Luke has and quite frankly he is spot on with the differences between the left and right side of the lane.

However what you have to remember Luke is this is a board where people can hide behind a screen and type whatever they want because they think they know everything. It’s why the pro shop business is sooo tough today because so many customers read crap on an Internet board and take it for gospel. Also good people get run away - see Brian Pursel and Phil Cardinale and others who previously posted here but keyboard pounders ran them off. Heck that’s why I switched screen names as well.

So Lefty - instead of arguing with 2 guys who have played both sides of the lanes maybe you should take time and let it sink in. Maybe that’s too much to ask but that is most bowlers today.

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2020, 01:46:03 PM »
Bowling- I understand your thoughts on that and I don’t know how long you have been here but back when several ball company reps would post here they were attacked on pretty much anything any of them said. Not snowflake stuff but actually targeted attacks. You know how many people who are employed by a ball company (not a staffer - an actual employee like Schlem) still post here? Maybe Phil and Nick once in a blue moon.

It went as far as members sending PMs as well in attacking them so the masses didn’t see the posts. So it’s not just these posts but the PMs which just became too much.

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2020, 01:08:27 PM »
Bowling- I understand your thoughts on that and I don’t know how long you have been here but back when several ball company reps would post here they were attacked on pretty much anything any of them said. Not snowflake stuff but actually targeted attacks. You know how many people who are employed by a ball company (not a staffer - an actual employee like Schlem) still post here? Maybe Phil and Nick once in a blue moon.

It went as far as members sending PMs as well in attacking them so the masses didn’t see the posts. So it’s not just these posts but the PMs which just became too much.

NP and that makes sense.  Walked into the minefield that is this topic dumbly and deleted OP (was only questioning relevance of this topic to why insiders don't come here).  I never attack people personally on here and in general usually don't question the knowledge of the insiders who have forgot more than I will ever know but sometimes when you sell things for a living some of the opinions stated may be slanted which might get some push back and is fair game imo (not really case in this thread).  But personal attacks are garbage fully agree.
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2020, 01:44:47 PM »
Imo, particle technology nowadays is not even in the same country as the particle of yesteryear. The additives nowadays can make any cover smoother or snappier, and no one dare uses the word particle because it scares the crap out of people.

Now, since particle is out in the OPs mind, let me ask a question. Do you ever use surface? 4000,3000,2000? Have the particles you've tried been big assyms or low rg high diff?

Reason I ask is because not all additives are created equal. I have had several particle pearls that were long and strong.

As far as the debate about the left side vs the right side, the right side will always hook more and earlier unless the lanes are brand new. If you even have 10% of all bowlers be lefty, that means there is 9 times more play on the right, so it stands to reason the left would be cleaner and sharper because the surface is that much less beat up.

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2020, 03:17:03 PM »
Doom! As always , you nailed it again. :)

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2020, 07:28:38 AM »
You guys crack me up. Look in any league and you'll see older low rev players walk it up from  the right side. You won't see that on the left. You'll say " 9 times more play on the right" and then avoid the fact that it becomes drier so the left is suddenly cleaner instead of flooded, but then you'll immediately admit that on, for example, a Nationals shot everyone has to "work together" to create a dry spot to get some friction... Hilarious. Fools.

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2020, 08:01:12 AM »
C'mon guys lefty50 isn't the problem, it's just all of you not getting it obv.....  :o  :P
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2020, 08:24:27 AM »
C'mon guys lefty50 isn't the problem, it's just all of you not getting it obv.....  :o :P



Thanks GT2. At first I had no idea that so many folks (including me) don't get it, but lefty50 all by himself does.  ???


I'm really going to have to mull this one over.....