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Dave81644

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Ball recommendation
« on: September 07, 2020, 03:42:12 PM »
Long time EBI user.
Wont be staying with them because of made in Mexico
Want to stay with Made in USA
When EBI was in KY, they made some good stuff that fit my game well.
Latest piece that was hit/miss for EBI, but good for the lack of head oil in this area.
Track In2ition.
Very clean up front, longer, strongish downlane and predictable.
Storm or Roto, open to suggestions for something similar.
Very hard to look at stats and try to compare old ebi VS storm/roto for me, covers are different


 

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2020, 03:50:35 PM »
Lack of head oil, I'd look towards the Electrify Hybrid or Pearl and AstroPhysix
« Last Edit: September 07, 2020, 04:04:46 PM by SVstar34 »

Dave81644

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2020, 06:16:59 PM »
Lack of head oil, I'd look towards the Electrify Hybrid or Pearl and AstroPhysix
Thank You
the Electrify pieces have a pretty weak core it looks like, do not think that is what I'm after here.
The astrophysix looks like something that might work though
I'll see what my PSO has to say

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2020, 08:30:00 PM »
Re-read your original post again.

Closest overall to the In2ition would be the Nuclear Cell.

If you're open to 900G, I think the HB Extreme Pearl could be close if you can find one

When you say lack of head oil, that pushes my recommendation down to R2S covers unless you're clearly in the speed dominant category.

AstroPhysix slots here. Again, if you're open to 900G you could also look at the HB Revival

Dave81644

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2020, 08:33:57 PM »
Thank You.
Lack of head oil, yes
speed dominant, no
still volume down lane, just the heads go away fast
I'll look at 900G as well
Thanks again

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2020, 09:12:53 PM »
So, watching some vids (I like BowlerX with JR Raymond)
the HB revival looks like it might be interesting, also, any opinion on the Afterburner Hybrid?
Definitely the response to friction is what I was able to dial in on the EBI line-up.
Slower response to friction was better for my game.
How do you know which cover is slower or faster response to friction in the Storm/Roto/900G line-ups?

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2020, 09:12:15 AM »
Long time EBI user.
Wont be staying with them because of made in Mexico
Want to stay with Made in USA
When EBI was in KY, they made some good stuff that fit my game well.
Latest piece that was hit/miss for EBI, but good for the lack of head oil in this area.
Track In2ition.
Very clean up front, longer, strongish downlane and predictable.
Storm or Roto, open to suggestions for something similar.
Very hard to look at stats and try to compare old ebi VS storm/roto for me, covers are different



I think you are over thinking this.  The new EBI stuff is still really good for one.  But if you just cant bring yourself to use something just because it jumped the border, then you could go with Storm and just alter the surface to fine tune the reaction.  As far as the most popular covers Storm has, The Reactor is the weakest, followed by the R2S, then R2X, the R3S, then the Nano.  Obviously there are other covers but these are the most talked about.

If you want something that transitions slower but clean through the heads then the IQ Emerald is a must have.  If I were in your shoes, my first 3 balls would be an Electrify, a HyRoad if they are still available, and an IQ Emerald (Reactor on the Electrify and R2S on the other 2).  Then fill in the gaps.  The R2S, for what you are looking for, is probably going to be the cover that checks off all those marks (clean, strongish, and predictable).  So i would just initially target balls with the Reactor and R2S because the Nano wants to read the lane much sooner and the R3S is more skid/flip (see Phaze 3).

 
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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2020, 10:38:45 AM »
Long time EBI user.
Wont be staying with them because of made in Mexico
Want to stay with Made in USA
When EBI was in KY, they made some good stuff that fit my game well.
Latest piece that was hit/miss for EBI, but good for the lack of head oil in this area.
Track In2ition.
Very clean up front, longer, strongish downlane and predictable.
Storm or Roto, open to suggestions for something similar.
Very hard to look at stats and try to compare old ebi VS storm/roto for me, covers are different



If you are opposed to made in Mexico, stay away from the Storm Tropical Surge.  They are also made in Mexico.  A family member bought one at the beginning of the year, and it was made in Mexico.  A teammate purchased a Tropical Surge a couple of weeks ago and it was also made in Mexico.  The story we heard is that Storm needs all the capacity they can muster in Utah for the middle and higher end lines, and has contracted with Brunswick to pour the Tropical line in Mexico.

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2020, 11:00:58 AM »
Long time EBI user.
Wont be staying with them because of made in Mexico
Want to stay with Made in USA
When EBI was in KY, they made some good stuff that fit my game well.
Latest piece that was hit/miss for EBI, but good for the lack of head oil in this area.
Track In2ition.
Very clean up front, longer, strongish downlane and predictable.
Storm or Roto, open to suggestions for something similar.
Very hard to look at stats and try to compare old ebi VS storm/roto for me, covers are different



I think you are over thinking this.  The new EBI stuff is still really good for one.  But if you just cant bring yourself to use something just because it jumped the border, then you could go with Storm and just alter the surface to fine tune the reaction.  As far as the most popular covers Storm has, The Reactor is the weakest, followed by the R2S, then R2X, the R3S, then the Nano.  Obviously there are other covers but these are the most talked about.

If you want something that transitions slower but clean through the heads then the IQ Emerald is a must have.  If I were in your shoes, my first 3 balls would be an Electrify, a HyRoad if they are still available, and an IQ Emerald (Reactor on the Electrify and R2S on the other 2).  Then fill in the gaps.  The R2S, for what you are looking for, is probably going to be the cover that checks off all those marks (clean, strongish, and predictable).  So i would just initially target balls with the Reactor and R2S because the Nano wants to read the lane much sooner and the R3S is more skid/flip (see Phaze 3).

 

Not going to disagree about over-thinking it, I had been able to spend some time with some of the folks at EBI and learned alot about the line-ups and covers. Was very interesting. Then I learned the what and why that fit my game the best.
I just know that fast response covers hurt me more than help due to my inconsistencies at the bottom of my swing.

I'll still use the older EBI stuff until it dies, but I'll take a look at what you suggested
So your input is helpful, thank you.

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2020, 04:04:11 PM »
The Parallax is quite close to the Track ball you mentioned...

Dave81644

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2020, 08:55:12 PM »
From JR Raymond vid, looks like ti might be a decent piece
I'd like to hear from someone who has one if possible

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2020, 09:02:59 PM »
From JR Raymond vid, looks like ti might be a decent piece
I'd like to hear from someone who has one if possible

Being you are a lefty and JR isn't plus his massive amount of forward roll I wouldn't be fooled into making assumptions that one ball may work for you.   If looking at stuff is more suited for the left side look at Tamer Elbaga and see his stats. and lane conditions he uses to test on.  JMO.
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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2020, 09:09:20 PM »
Thanks, he is closer to my style than JR for sure.
I mostly look for ball motion in these videos, knowing JR is more of a forward roller
Never had to rely on vids to help select product in the past

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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2020, 09:16:05 PM »
Thanks, he is closer to my style than JR for sure.
I mostly look for ball motion in these videos, knowing JR is more of a forward roller
Never had to rely on vids to help select product in the past


Good point Dave.  I said in an earlier post unless you dislike Motiv I have liked what I have seen from most of their equipment and you have locally Rob Lange to ask questions that is if you see him.  I think he still is a Motiv staffer.  Yep Rob is on their regional page.  https://www.motivbowling.com/team/regional/
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Re: Ball recommendation
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2020, 09:18:19 PM »
I'll see Rob on Wednesdays for our challenge league, thanks again