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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: Dave81644 on September 07, 2020, 03:42:12 PM
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Long time EBI user.
Wont be staying with them because of made in Mexico
Want to stay with Made in USA
When EBI was in KY, they made some good stuff that fit my game well.
Latest piece that was hit/miss for EBI, but good for the lack of head oil in this area.
Track In2ition.
Very clean up front, longer, strongish downlane and predictable.
Storm or Roto, open to suggestions for something similar.
Very hard to look at stats and try to compare old ebi VS storm/roto for me, covers are different
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Lack of head oil, I'd look towards the Electrify Hybrid or Pearl and AstroPhysix
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Lack of head oil, I'd look towards the Electrify Hybrid or Pearl and AstroPhysix
Thank You
the Electrify pieces have a pretty weak core it looks like, do not think that is what I'm after here.
The astrophysix looks like something that might work though
I'll see what my PSO has to say
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Re-read your original post again.
Closest overall to the In2ition would be the Nuclear Cell.
If you're open to 900G, I think the HB Extreme Pearl could be close if you can find one
When you say lack of head oil, that pushes my recommendation down to R2S covers unless you're clearly in the speed dominant category.
AstroPhysix slots here. Again, if you're open to 900G you could also look at the HB Revival
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Thank You.
Lack of head oil, yes
speed dominant, no
still volume down lane, just the heads go away fast
I'll look at 900G as well
Thanks again
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So, watching some vids (I like BowlerX with JR Raymond)
the HB revival looks like it might be interesting, also, any opinion on the Afterburner Hybrid?
Definitely the response to friction is what I was able to dial in on the EBI line-up.
Slower response to friction was better for my game.
How do you know which cover is slower or faster response to friction in the Storm/Roto/900G line-ups?
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Long time EBI user.
Wont be staying with them because of made in Mexico
Want to stay with Made in USA
When EBI was in KY, they made some good stuff that fit my game well.
Latest piece that was hit/miss for EBI, but good for the lack of head oil in this area.
Track In2ition.
Very clean up front, longer, strongish downlane and predictable.
Storm or Roto, open to suggestions for something similar.
Very hard to look at stats and try to compare old ebi VS storm/roto for me, covers are different
I think you are over thinking this. The new EBI stuff is still really good for one. But if you just cant bring yourself to use something just because it jumped the border, then you could go with Storm and just alter the surface to fine tune the reaction. As far as the most popular covers Storm has, The Reactor is the weakest, followed by the R2S, then R2X, the R3S, then the Nano. Obviously there are other covers but these are the most talked about.
If you want something that transitions slower but clean through the heads then the IQ Emerald is a must have. If I were in your shoes, my first 3 balls would be an Electrify, a HyRoad if they are still available, and an IQ Emerald (Reactor on the Electrify and R2S on the other 2). Then fill in the gaps. The R2S, for what you are looking for, is probably going to be the cover that checks off all those marks (clean, strongish, and predictable). So i would just initially target balls with the Reactor and R2S because the Nano wants to read the lane much sooner and the R3S is more skid/flip (see Phaze 3).
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Long time EBI user.
Wont be staying with them because of made in Mexico
Want to stay with Made in USA
When EBI was in KY, they made some good stuff that fit my game well.
Latest piece that was hit/miss for EBI, but good for the lack of head oil in this area.
Track In2ition.
Very clean up front, longer, strongish downlane and predictable.
Storm or Roto, open to suggestions for something similar.
Very hard to look at stats and try to compare old ebi VS storm/roto for me, covers are different
If you are opposed to made in Mexico, stay away from the Storm Tropical Surge. They are also made in Mexico. A family member bought one at the beginning of the year, and it was made in Mexico. A teammate purchased a Tropical Surge a couple of weeks ago and it was also made in Mexico. The story we heard is that Storm needs all the capacity they can muster in Utah for the middle and higher end lines, and has contracted with Brunswick to pour the Tropical line in Mexico.
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Long time EBI user.
Wont be staying with them because of made in Mexico
Want to stay with Made in USA
When EBI was in KY, they made some good stuff that fit my game well.
Latest piece that was hit/miss for EBI, but good for the lack of head oil in this area.
Track In2ition.
Very clean up front, longer, strongish downlane and predictable.
Storm or Roto, open to suggestions for something similar.
Very hard to look at stats and try to compare old ebi VS storm/roto for me, covers are different
I think you are over thinking this. The new EBI stuff is still really good for one. But if you just cant bring yourself to use something just because it jumped the border, then you could go with Storm and just alter the surface to fine tune the reaction. As far as the most popular covers Storm has, The Reactor is the weakest, followed by the R2S, then R2X, the R3S, then the Nano. Obviously there are other covers but these are the most talked about.
If you want something that transitions slower but clean through the heads then the IQ Emerald is a must have. If I were in your shoes, my first 3 balls would be an Electrify, a HyRoad if they are still available, and an IQ Emerald (Reactor on the Electrify and R2S on the other 2). Then fill in the gaps. The R2S, for what you are looking for, is probably going to be the cover that checks off all those marks (clean, strongish, and predictable). So i would just initially target balls with the Reactor and R2S because the Nano wants to read the lane much sooner and the R3S is more skid/flip (see Phaze 3).
Not going to disagree about over-thinking it, I had been able to spend some time with some of the folks at EBI and learned alot about the line-ups and covers. Was very interesting. Then I learned the what and why that fit my game the best.
I just know that fast response covers hurt me more than help due to my inconsistencies at the bottom of my swing.
I'll still use the older EBI stuff until it dies, but I'll take a look at what you suggested
So your input is helpful, thank you.
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The Parallax is quite close to the Track ball you mentioned...
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From JR Raymond vid, looks like ti might be a decent piece
I'd like to hear from someone who has one if possible
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From JR Raymond vid, looks like ti might be a decent piece
I'd like to hear from someone who has one if possible
Being you are a lefty and JR isn't plus his massive amount of forward roll I wouldn't be fooled into making assumptions that one ball may work for you. If looking at stuff is more suited for the left side look at Tamer Elbaga and see his stats. and lane conditions he uses to test on. JMO.
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Thanks, he is closer to my style than JR for sure.
I mostly look for ball motion in these videos, knowing JR is more of a forward roller
Never had to rely on vids to help select product in the past
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Thanks, he is closer to my style than JR for sure.
I mostly look for ball motion in these videos, knowing JR is more of a forward roller
Never had to rely on vids to help select product in the past
Good point Dave. I said in an earlier post unless you dislike Motiv I have liked what I have seen from most of their equipment and you have locally Rob Lange to ask questions that is if you see him. I think he still is a Motiv staffer. Yep Rob is on their regional page. https://www.motivbowling.com/team/regional/
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I'll see Rob on Wednesdays for our challenge league, thanks again
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I'll see Rob on Wednesdays for our challenge league, thanks again
Good luck! Report back on what you decide to do.
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I, too, was a Hammer guy until EBI was purchased by Brunswick. I also moved back up to 15 lbs. and was looking for a compliment to the Storm All-Road. My pro shop guy has an In2ition and tried to sell me one, but I did not want to buy a ball made in Mexico. So he then suggested the AstroPhysix, which I bought.
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I, too, was a Hammer guy until EBI was purchased by Brunswick. I also moved back up to 15 lbs. and was looking for a compliment to the Storm All-Road. My pro shop guy has an In2ition and tried to sell me one, but I did not want to buy a ball made in Mexico. So he then suggested the AstroPhysix, which I bought.
In2ition was made in Hopkinsville, one of the last releases before the Brunswick takeover
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If you're open to trying Motiv, the new Jackal Flash has overall core numbers that are nearly identical the In2ition. From there, the Flash has the ability to go through medium to heavy oil very well. Even though it will be angular off the dry, it's still predictable.
JR Raymond has a good video up showing the overall motion.
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Thanks, I'll check it out
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I'll see Rob on Wednesdays for our challenge league, thanks again
Good luck! Report back on what you decide to do.
Went with the IQ tour Emerald first.
Definitely a big difference in c overstock compared to most of the EBI pieces I'm used to.
Love the shape, but to over/under initially on a fresh house pattern
At times, super predictable, goes through the pins well, as advertised
Other times, move in 2 and 1 and it skates to far on this particular night
Seems fairly speed sensitive at OBB surface
Ill either scuff it up a little or re-work the cover with 1000 + polish
Like most pieces these days, it will take some cover adjustment
My 2000 lane shined Web tour is much less speed sensitive (I know, different covers and surfaces)
I'm sure I'll get it dialed in
Thanks for all suggestions!
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I'll see Rob on Wednesdays for our challenge league, thanks again
Good luck! Report back on what you decide to do.
Went with the IQ tour Emerald first.
Definitely a big difference in c overstock compared to most of the EBI pieces I'm used to.
Love the shape, but to over/under initially on a fresh house pattern
At times, super predictable, goes through the pins well, as advertised
Other times, move in 2 and 1 and it skates to far on this particular night
Seems fairly speed sensitive at OBB surface
Ill either scuff it up a little or re-work the cover with 1000 + polish
Like most pieces these days, it will take some cover adjustment
My 2000 lane shined Web tour is much less speed sensitive (I know, different covers and surfaces)
I'm sure I'll get it dialed in
Thanks for all suggestions!
Never, ever in life, throw a box shiny RG or Storm ball. I always hit them with 3000. Otherwise you have that awful 4 pin/2-10 reaction.
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I agree with Northface. Instead of 1000 with polish, maybe try a 3000 or maybe 4000 without the polish to help blend in the over/under you are seeing. If you did go 1000 with polish, maybe try Storm Step 2 polish or Brunswick Factory Compound. I find that the compound polishes are not nearly as squirty in the oil as Factory Finish or Extra Shine.
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I'll see Rob on Wednesdays for our challenge league, thanks again
Good luck! Report back on what you decide to do.
Went with the IQ tour Emerald first.
Definitely a big difference in c overstock compared to most of the EBI pieces I'm used to.
Love the shape, but to over/under initially on a fresh house pattern
At times, super predictable, goes through the pins well, as advertised
Other times, move in 2 and 1 and it skates to far on this particular night
Seems fairly speed sensitive at OBB surface
Ill either scuff it up a little or re-work the cover with 1000 + polish
Like most pieces these days, it will take some cover adjustment
My 2000 lane shined Web tour is much less speed sensitive (I know, different covers and surfaces)
I'm sure I'll get it dialed in
Thanks for all suggestions!
Never, ever in life, throw a box shiny RG or Storm ball. I always hit them with 3000. Otherwise you have that awful 4 pin/2-10 reaction.
I've run into the same issue over the years with the OOB polished Storm or RG balls I've thrown. Hitting the covers with 2000, 3000, or sanding with compound tends to be more consistent in reaction from what I've seen.
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I picked the Emerald to combat the dry fronts.
Which at OBB, it’s great.
I’ll scuff with a used 3000 and see what happens.
Eyeing up the Axiom Pearl next though
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So it took 3 tries to get the surface of the emerald to cooperate with my game and lane conditions. fresh 500 Abralon and then polished it.
Now it gives me some room and doesn't over/under like it did fresh OBB.
And picked up the Axiom Pearl, pleasantly surprised and happy with this in limited use on a tough pattern and about an hour of practice afterwards.
Went pin down approx 4.5" pin-pap
Just love the shape and especially the predictable slower response to friction
scuffed by hand with a 2000 pad so far and based off my experience with the emerald, ill probably bust the cover and go 1000 + polish before Tuesday house shot league.
definitely different covers than the EBI Ive thrown for the past 10+ years.
Appreciate the input from all of you along the way
Thank You
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So it took 3 tires to get the surface of the emerald to cooperate with my game and lane conditions. fresh 500 Abralon and then polished it.
Now it gives me some room and doesn't over/under like it did fresh OBB.
And picked up the Axiom Pearl, pleasantly surprised and happy with this in limited use on a tough pattern and about an hour of practice afterwards.
Went pin down approx 4.5" pin-pap
Just love the shape and especially the predictable slower response to friction
scuffed by hand with a 2000 pad so far and based off my experience with the emerald, ill probably bust the cover and go 1000 + polish before Tuesday house shot league.
definitely different covers than the EBI Ive thrown for the past 10+ years.
Appreciate the input from all of you along the way
Thank You
I think the AxP cover is so strong and blendy that even with polish on most conditions, it plays fine.