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JessN16

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Help me set up a Secret Agent for a friend...(UPDATE)
« on: October 07, 2008, 05:01:45 PM »
Hey guys,

I've got a friend who is getting a NIB Secret Agent (I'm drilling it for him) and we're replacing a Track Crash that literally crashed tonight at league (chunk taken out of the ball and huge crack, courtesy of a lane malfunction).

The ball has a 3-inch pin and about 3 oz. of top.

This friend is an older gentleman who throws almost a full roller (meaning the way he holds/releases the ball he doesn't track between the thumb and fingers, but you would think he should judging by the way his release looks). Without yet measuring exactly, I'd say his PAP is about 5.5 over 0 up to 6 over 0 up, looking at the oil rings. He throws with very good speed for his age (74) and decent revs, but nothing special. He suitcases the ball because his wrist doesn't allow him to get a true power release.

What we're trying to do is set this ball up for our league. He only bowls at one house, never in tournaments. He picked the Secret because he does need a little help getting to the pocket and carrying. He tends to play straight up 10.

Our house runs on THS, but not an automatic-hook THS. The pattern is short, there's not a drastic wall outside and the total volume is medium to medium-light. The crown in the middle is flatter than most THS shots.

I'm thinking the box surface prep is going to be a little too much. We need the ball to clear the heads and save something for the backend.

Would going to 2000 Abralon plus Moon Shine be a good option? And any layout suggestions you might have would be appreciated.

I'm a decent amateur driller who understands layouts but I'm not a pro. I typically only drill for myself and my wife but I'm trying to help this man out financially. We only paid $55 for the ball NIB.

His Crash was a 4-inch pin, with the pin way off to the right of the ring and slightly above. I think they got the pin too close to his VAL. Whoever drilled his Crash didn't spend a lot of time with this very kind man and I hope to do him a good turn.

Jess


Edited on 10/8/2008 1:06 AM

Edited on 1/11/2009 1:59 AM

 

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Re: Help me set up a Secret Agent for a friend...(UPDATE)
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2008, 05:28:18 PM »
The Secret is a solid-pearl hybrid with a low particle load. It is all about control and not booming backend. Great for playing up the boards as your friend seems to do. Put pin above the ring and try at oob first(4000 grit) The pearl helps this ball get thru the heads. Playing up 10, he will have all the backend he needs. A stormed1 stated, most who didn't like this ball were trying to swing it over the entire lane and that is not what balls with particle loads are designed to do. MHO.
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JessN16

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Re: Help me set up a Secret Agent for a friend...(UPDATE)
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2008, 05:31:46 PM »
Thanks for all the suggestions. This gentleman is truly one of the good guys in life and he's trusting me to do this for him, hence my worry. The consensus between most of the suggestions is what I was leaning towards, anyway, so that makes me feel better.

Jess

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Re: Help me set up a Secret Agent for a friend...(UPDATE)
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2008, 06:18:17 PM »
JessN16, from my experiences around the Secret Agent the ball takes polish very well, i'd suggest taking it 1000 grit (US Scale, not P) and then applying Reacta Shine on it. The ball is pretty strong but very controllable, and if he does have decent speed i'd suggest Pin down but have the CG out allowing for a weight hole to fine tune the reaction.

Thats just my take, good luck and hope all works out for you two.
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Re: Help me set up a Secret Agent for a friend...(UPDATE)
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2008, 10:00:22 AM »
Jess, I see why you are working with this ball now!

K.I.S.S. Pin on the centerline about the fingers, CG slightly kicked out and you can always add a hole to get more out of it or smooth it out.

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Re: Help me set up a Secret Agent for a friend...(UPDATE)
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2009, 12:59:05 AM »
Updating...

Drilled it for him fairly straightforward (pin just above and at 1:30 to the ring, CG 4:30 and just below the ring, for a 4.5 x 4.5 drill) based on what he said he wanted it to do.

Before I started drilling, I asked him some general questions about his preferred hook shape. He said he wanted it to go long before hooking. So I took it to 2000 and polished it using Storm Moon Shine.

For several weeks, he had a lot of problems with the ball. Too condition-specific and wouldn't read the lane. He was worried that it wasn't moving and said, "I'd like to see it hook some." So this past week, I took it back from him and put it at 2000 Abralon with no polish.

Well, now we've seen it hook some. (g) This guy has virtually no axis rotation and very little tilt much of the time. This week he was getting the ball to go left-to-right-to-left with ease and his carry was up. He seems to be happy with it.

Thanks for the help.

Jess

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Re: Help me set up a Secret Agent for a friend...(UPDATE)
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2009, 01:03:31 AM »
That ball is waaaaaaaaay too smooth to ever get a lot of down lane hook out of it. It's good for a smooth rolling ball but that's about it.