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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: xxxxxxxxxxxx MR300 on February 01, 2010, 10:13:05 AM
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Ok i had some trouble getting my Invasion to get through the heads with box surface. So i hit it with a 2000 abralon pad and it got through the same as a 4000 box. So i hit it with a 4000 pad and it made it shinier. So i threw it and now i think it truly has its full hook potential.
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High Game = 299
High Series = 816
Revs/Speed = 300rpm at 15-17 mph
!!!!!LEFTIES RULE!!!!!
Arsenal in profile
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this is because the OOB is 360, lightly with 500 then 4000
so thats WAY rougher then straight 4000.
but if 2000, 4000 over the box works, thats all that matters.
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Storm actually does not go down to 360 anymore, their base is 500 grit abralon and then 4000.
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Ok i had some trouble getting my Invasion to get through the heads with box surface. So i hit it with a 2000 abralon pad and it got through the same as a 4000 box. So i hit it with a 4000 pad and it made it shinier. So i threw it and now i think it truly has its full hook potential.
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High Game = 299
High Series = 816
Revs/Speed = 300rpm at 15-17 mph
!!!!!LEFTIES RULE!!!!!
Arsenal in profile
If the P4000 grit pad made it shiny, then the 4000 is too worn and no longer at P4000 grit but much finer. Use a fresh pad. Even after using a 4000 grit pad, you should not see any shine, only a matte, flat surace.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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Jeff,
I used a new 4000 on my VG and after finishing, it was rather shiny. I think I might have been using too much water, but it did finish shiny. I'm going to try again with much less water.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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Storm actually does not go down to 360 anymore, their base is 500 grit abralon and then 4000.
since when? please explain, show evidence.
thats a bold statement!
because according to storm the 360 grit is equivalent to their rounding the ball process. in which AFTER that they use 500, then straight to final finish.
so unless storm has completely changed the way they are rounding the balls, i doubt their surface process has changed.
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Edited on 2/2/2010 9:16 AM
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The Evidence is when i called them. they said that when the ball comes off the lathe it goes straight to a 500 grit pad. they did completely change how they resurface balls. it goes lathe, 500, than what ever the final finish, unless it is a polished ball.
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500 grit, than a 4000 pad? That's a weird way to get to 4000. Does that mean the ROF is 500 pad, then 1000 pad?
I feel like doing that, it really doesn't matter what the "finish" is because all that matters is the 500 underneath and not easing up the grits.
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Proud Supporter of Rob Stone
Obviously, you aren't a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
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500 grit, than a 4000 pad? That's a weird way to get to 4000. Does that mean the ROF is 500 pad, then 1000 pad?
I feel like doing that, it really doesn't matter what the "finish" is because all that matters is the 500 underneath and not easing up the grits.
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Proud Supporter of Rob Stone
Obviously, you aren't a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
yes. Storm, ebo, hammer,columbia are all doing this. Dunno about bwick.
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North Bowl Bowling Center
www.northbowlspokane.com
ctwings10--"Here's the problem with any retail service - You can't fix stupid."
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if you use a storm surface factory machine then you use 500 grit and not 360. But, i did hear that they were skipping 360 on solids and I believe they use 360 on pearls. 360 then Storm step 2 polish.
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Jeff,
I used a new 4000 on my VG and after finishing, it was rather shiny. I think I might have been using too much water, but it did finish shiny. I''m going to try again with much less water.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Barry,
If you''re using a fresh P4000 grit Abralon or SiaAir Velvet pad on a ball that is ready for a 4000 grit pad (it should be at its proper level, P500 grit or P2000 grit), you need relatively light pressure for a short period of time (20 - 30 seconds for each of 2 sides or 15-20 seconds for each of 4 sides or 10 seconds for each of 6 sides).
This abrasive, silicon carbide, is really sharp and really digs in easily.
I suspect you''re pressing too hard for too long. Not a matter of water.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Edited on 2/2/2010 7:06 PM
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500 grit, than a 4000 pad? That's a weird way to get to 4000. Does that mean the ROF is 500 pad, then 1000 pad?
I feel like doing that, it really doesn't matter what the "finish" is because all that matters is the 500 underneath and not easing up the grits.
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Proud Supporter of Rob Stone
Obviously, you aren't a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
yes. Storm, ebo, hammer,columbia are all doing this. Dunno about bwick.
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Proshop Operator
North Bowl Bowling Center
www.northbowlspokane.com
ctwings10--"Here's the problem with any retail service - You can't fix stupid."
Brunswick too. Some of theirs is 500 grit, then 2000 grit. Others are 500 grit, then 4000 grit.
Everyone's on this freaking bandwagon.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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The Evidence is when i called them. they said that when the ball comes off the lathe it goes straight to a 500 grit pad. they did completely change how they resurface balls. it goes lathe, 500, than what ever the final finish, unless it is a polished ball.
hmmm very interesting!
good to know!
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300 revs
16 mph
15 degrees of tilt
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Thank you Jeff. I'll try the 4000 as you recommended.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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500 grit, than a 4000 pad? That''s a weird way to get to 4000. Does that mean the ROF is 500 pad, then 1000 pad?
I feel like doing that, it really doesn''t matter what the "finish" is because all that matters is the 500 underneath and not easing up the grits.
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Proud Supporter of Rob Stone
Obviously, you aren''t a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
yes. Storm, ebo, hammer,columbia are all doing this. Dunno about bwick.
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Proshop Operator
North Bowl Bowling Center
www.northbowlspokane.com
ctwings10--"Here''s the problem with any retail service - You can''t fix stupid."
Brunswick too. Some of theirs is 500 grit, then 2000 grit. Others are 500 grit, then 4000 grit.
Everyone''s on this freaking bandwagon.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
That''s interesting. Let''s take the new Jigsaw Corner as an example. The ball comes 500 pad, then 4000 pad. If I were to take this same ball, go 360 - 500 - 1000 - 2000 - 4000, how different will my reaction be? Has anybody tried? I have my ideas, but I''d love to hear some stories and experiences.
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Proud Supporter of Rob Stone
Obviously, you aren''t a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
Edited on 2/3/2010 0:29 AM
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500 grit, than a 4000 pad? That''s a weird way to get to 4000. Does that mean the ROF is 500 pad, then 1000 pad?
I feel like doing that, it really doesn''t matter what the "finish" is because all that matters is the 500 underneath and not easing up the grits.
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Proud Supporter of Rob Stone
Obviously, you aren''t a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
yes. Storm, ebo, hammer,columbia are all doing this. Dunno about bwick.
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Proshop Operator
North Bowl Bowling Center
www.northbowlspokane.com
ctwings10--"Here''s the problem with any retail service - You can''t fix stupid."
Brunswick too. Some of theirs is 500 grit, then 2000 grit. Others are 500 grit, then 4000 grit.
Everyone''s on this freaking bandwagon.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
That''s interesting. Let''s take the new Jigsaw Corner as an example. The ball comes 500 pad, then 4000 pad. If I were to take this same ball, go 360 - 500 - 1000 - 2000 - 4000, how different will my reaction be? Has anybody tried? I have my ideas, but I''d love to hear some stories and experiences.
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Proud Supporter of Rob Stone
Obviously, you aren''t a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
Edited on 2/3/2010 0:29 AM
The finish of the ball will be smoother
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500 grit, than a 4000 pad? That''s a weird way to get to 4000. Does that mean the ROF is 500 pad, then 1000 pad?
I feel like doing that, it really doesn''t matter what the "finish" is because all that matters is the 500 underneath and not easing up the grits.
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Proud Supporter of Rob Stone
Obviously, you aren''t a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
yes. Storm, ebo, hammer,columbia are all doing this. Dunno about bwick.
--------------------
Proshop Operator
North Bowl Bowling Center
www.northbowlspokane.com
ctwings10--"Here''s the problem with any retail service - You can''t fix stupid."
Brunswick too. Some of theirs is 500 grit, then 2000 grit. Others are 500 grit, then 4000 grit.
Everyone''s on this freaking bandwagon.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
That''s interesting. Let''s take the new Jigsaw Corner as an example. The ball comes 500 pad, then 4000 pad. If I were to take this same ball, go 360 - 500 - 1000 - 2000 - 4000, how different will my reaction be? Has anybody tried? I have my ideas, but I''d love to hear some stories and experiences.
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Proud Supporter of Rob Stone
Obviously, you aren''t a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
Edited on 2/3/2010 0:29 AM
The finish of the ball will be smoother
The Storm tech dept explained to me that it is all about ra and rs factors.
RA= how deep the ridges are from valley to peak
RS= the contour of the ridges at the top of the spike.
If you start with p500 you dig deep and sharp ridges so ra and rs factors are high. By then skipping to p4000 you round the points at the top while still keeping deep overall ridges.
If you go step by step (500, 1000, 2000, 4000) then you will decrease the depth of the ridges at every interval and therefore your p4000 finishing surface will be less overall hook than the aforementioned process of skipping to the final grit.
Now....this is still useful. Let's say you have a VG a p4000 and it is still burning up a bit.....going step by step will allow you to decrease friction without having to go to polish.
But if you want to duplicate oob performance then skipping to the final surface grit after putting "teeth" in it is the way to go.
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So, after I get it to 500 grit, then do I use a spinner on 4 sides with 4000 grit? or do you lightly buff it by hand?
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