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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: ithinkican on September 27, 2012, 11:39:48 PM
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Virtual energy released july 2009 and had major success. hyroad released oct 2008 and has had so much success that it is still being sold to this very day. frantic released in 2011 and has been tremendous success plus it won pete a few major titles...... HYBRID, HYBRID, HYBRID!!! come on storm, put another premier line hybrid out on the market. the orIgin core never went hybrid, neither did the nano coverstocks, and now the mad core may not go hybrid either from what I have observed over the past THREE YEARS.. i MEAN COME ON. your loyal customers have been waiting long enough
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Omg i felt this way for a long time...i have two infinite theories because of this. They arent thinking straight...but they probably didnt anticipate the critical theory success..so im sure thats why the lucid is here. Hopefully its in the pipeline, cuz my VE cracked!
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I agree 100%. They need a premier line hybrid. I nominate the RAD+ core with a Nano Hybrid cover.
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Storm put out a hybrid on overseas release only
http://archive.teamhisp.com/products/2010/ball/virtual_world.pdf
Shape lock Core and R3s Hybrid Coverstock
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I wish they would make the ERG hybrid coverstock instead of the NRG. the NRG has too much power for my rev rate.
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Because again...bowling is just too difficult with the current choices....
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And now the sarcasm begins...don't we all aspire to be as good as some of the self righteous bowling gods on this site...
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And now the sarcasm begins...don't we all aspire to be as good as some of the self righteous bowling gods on this site...
I am not a good bowler at all....just think the equipment is getting ridiculous....that's all.
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Isn't the Reign Supreme a hybrid? What about the Crossroad? They have discontinued the Reign and the Crossroad is not selling very well, or it isn't selling here very well here.
I must admit I have 2 Rogue Cells I use often and have continued success with my Virtual Gravity Nano.
I almost forgot about the Modern Marvel.
Is that two many hybrids?
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Isn't the Reign Supreme a hybrid? What about the Crossroad? They have discontinued the Reign and the Crossroad is not selling very well, or it isn't selling here very well here.
I must admit I have 2 Rogue Cells I use often and have continued success with my Virtual Gravity Nano.
I almost forgot about the Modern Marvel.
Is that two many hybrids?
Crossroad is selling extremely well here. Yes, Reign Supreme and Crossroad are both hybrid. And no, not too many hybrids.
The reason you probably havent seen a hybrid Nano is because there is too little separation between the Nano and Nano Pearl. Normally thats the reason for a hybrid. T-Road Solid & Pearl, Virtual Gravity & Gravity Shift, Reign & Reign of Fire, all those series of balls had a bigger separation, meaning boards between each thrown ball, between solid and pearl. The Hybrid fills the gap and theres no real gap to fill.
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PREMIER LINE HYBRID!!!! did you not read the post. I have the crossroads. It works just fine. by the way, the nano and nano pearl have a tremendous difference in them. If you cant notice a huge difference in the two your blind and throw end over end....... I personally did not care for the nano coverstocks. I loved the shape lock core but i am glad they changed to the rad core.. I personally never had enough oil for the nano solid and the pearl had to much power at its breakpoint which is why i dont throw it unless on a 43+ foot shot.
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PREMIER LINE HYBRID!!!! did you not read the post. I have the crossroads. It works just fine. by the way, the nano and nano pearl have a tremendous difference in them. If you cant notice a huge difference in the two your blind and throw end over end....... I personally did not care for the nano coverstocks. I loved the shape lock core but i am glad they changed to the rad core.. I personally never had enough oil for the nano solid and the pearl had to much power at its breakpoint which is why i dont throw it unless on a 43+ foot shot.
Yes goofus i read the post! The Vivid, Lucid, Nano and Nano pearl are all in the Premier line! READ AND CHECK YOUR FACTS! And again, not enough separation between the the two Nanos to make a hybrid and the Lucid is just coming out. Otherwise they wouldnt have come out with Vivid they would have come out with a Virtual Gravity Nano Hybrid. Give it time, you might see one between the Lucid and Vivid as those two ball have a great deal of separationbut with the success of the crossroad, modern marvel and still having the hyroad i wouldnt get my hopes up in seeing one right now.
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I too am eagerly awaiting a premier hybrid as I love hybrids. But until then, I'm still having fun with my Infinite, VE and though it's not a hybrid, the Lucid.
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And now the sarcasm begins...don't we all aspire to be as good as some of the self righteous bowling gods on this site...
I am not a good bowler at all....just think the equipment is getting ridiculous....that's all.
I agree with you...the equipment is getting ridiculous...but there is obviously demand for a premier line hybrid. Personally, if I were to buy a new premier line ball it would be a hybrid...but Storm doesn't have one yet, which baffles me since the Virtual Energy was such a great ball.
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And now the sarcasm begins...don't we all aspire to be as good as some of the self righteous bowling gods on this site...
I am not a good bowler at all....just think the equipment is getting ridiculous....that's all.
I agree with you...the equipment is getting ridiculous...but there is obviously demand for a premier line hybrid. Personally, if I were to buy a new premier line ball it would be a hybrid...but Storm doesn't have one yet, which baffles me since the Virtual Energy was such a great ball.
I've been screaming for a VE nano since the VG nano....maybe we'll see a hybrind in the vivid/lucid line in the future.
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Me too, Evil. I love my Virtual Energy and had such high hopes for an NRG Hybrid.
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LOL. Hybrind. Obviously I'm not awake yet.
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As im getting back into storm, a couple friends are going to let me have a Virtual Evergy and a Critical Theory. Ill hopefully be joining the ranks of those who love that ball.
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The critical theory is great. Almost made me 2nd guess getting the lucid until I decided to go with a completely different layout. Great 1-2 for me.
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PREMIER LINE HYBRID!!!! did you not read the post. I have the crossroads. It works just fine. by the way, the nano and nano pearl have a tremendous difference in them. If you cant notice a huge difference in the two your blind and throw end over end....... I personally did not care for the nano coverstocks. I loved the shape lock core but i am glad they changed to the rad core.. I personally never had enough oil for the nano solid and the pearl had to much power at its breakpoint which is why i dont throw it unless on a 43+ foot shot.
Yes goofus i read the post! The Vivid, Lucid, Nano and Nano pearl are all in the Premier line! READ AND CHECK YOUR FACTS! And again, not enough separation between the the two Nanos to make a hybrid and the Lucid is just coming out. Otherwise they wouldnt have come out with Vivid they would have come out with a Virtual Gravity Nano Hybrid. Give it time, you might see one between the Lucid and Vivid as those two ball have a great deal of separationbut with the success of the crossroad, modern marvel and still having the hyroad i wouldnt get my hopes up in seeing one right now.
Actually, there was enough difference between the two Nanos to fill the gap...but Storm chose to put out the Vivid. If you look on their site, the Vivid was released with the NRG solid cover and a different core to fill the void. What I don't understand is why they chose another solid with a different core instead of going NRG hybrid with the Shape Lock core. The Nanos are wildly successful while I haven't noticed many Vivid's at all...seems like they whiffed on the Vivid to me. I think a Nano hybrid would have sold a ton...but what do I know...I'm just the consumer...
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Yea i thought about doing that. From what i was told, the Lucid is a stronger up front than the Critical so i get the Critical, ill probably go longer pin on the lucid for more flare.
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I think it was overall due to the massive cover strength with NRG technology. as great as it was for many, it was seen as a problem also by many, and along the lines of the Invasion.
I think they made one last effort with the Vivid and hoped the raise in rg would tame down the NRG strength, which kinda explains why the Lucid doesn't have the NRG cover.
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As im getting back into storm, a couple friends are going to let me have a Virtual Evergy and a Critical Theory. Ill hopefully be joining the ranks of those who love that ball.
Assuming the Virtual Energy isn't dead and you have the right layout, you should love that ball. My favorite Storm ball of all time. As for the Critical Theory, I don't own one but think it's the best ball in the Theory series for RotoGrip based on what I've heard from the people who've thrown them.
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Yea i thought about doing that. From what i was told, the Lucid is a stronger up front than the Critical so i get the Critical, ill probably go longer pin on the lucid for more flare.
I actually found the CT stronger midlane and the Lucid stronger backend.
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Yea i thought about doing that. From what i was told, the Lucid is a stronger up front than the Critical so i get the Critical, ill probably go longer pin on the lucid for more flare.
I actually found the CT stronger midlane and the Lucid stronger backend.
+1
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I think it was overall due to the massive cover strength with NRG technology. as great as it was for many, it was seen as a problem also by many, and along the lines of the Invasion.
I think they made one last effort with the Vivid and hoped the raise in rg would tame down the NRG strength, which kinda explains why the Lucid doesn't have the NRG cover.
What they should do to fix that would be to create two lines for asymmetric balls...one line would support the stronger asymmetrics and the other to support the weaker asymmetrics. Afterall, they don't have a problem offering a buttload of bowling balls to choose from now do they? LOL!
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I agree to an extent. The Nano was a heavy oil ball and Pearl played right under that to pick up where you would leave off with the solid. No real reason for a hybrid. The Vivid was a more house shot usable bowling ball whereas the Nano Solid would burn up. I agree that they didnt sell as well as the Nano's but they did sell well, well enough to make a pearl and not change the design too much. The Lucid was made because Storm wanted what rotogrip has in the Critical Theory. I think their might be a hybrid in the making as the Vivid was really rolly and the Lucid is a good distance of separate from the two that i have seen. That was the point I was making. Most times with Storm, when you see a huge deal of separation between solid and pearl, then they seem to make the hybrid. Also they didnt follow suit with nano line like they did the virtual gravity. If you remember, the gravity shift came out first then the virtual gravity (i believe, forgive, its early). With the popularity and separation, out pops the Energy.
PREMIER LINE HYBRID!!!! did you not read the post. I have the crossroads. It works just fine. by the way, the nano and nano pearl have a tremendous difference in them. If you cant notice a huge difference in the two your blind and throw end over end....... I personally did not care for the nano coverstocks. I loved the shape lock core but i am glad they changed to the rad core.. I personally never had enough oil for the nano solid and the pearl had to much power at its breakpoint which is why i dont throw it unless on a 43+ foot shot.
Yes goofus i read the post! The Vivid, Lucid, Nano and Nano pearl are all in the Premier line! READ AND CHECK YOUR FACTS! And again, not enough separation between the the two Nanos to make a hybrid and the Lucid is just coming out. Otherwise they wouldnt have come out with Vivid they would have come out with a Virtual Gravity Nano Hybrid. Give it time, you might see one between the Lucid and Vivid as those two ball have a great deal of separationbut with the success of the crossroad, modern marvel and still having the hyroad i wouldnt get my hopes up in seeing one right now.
Actually, there was enough difference between the two Nanos to fill the gap...but Storm chose to put out the Vivid. If you look on their site, the Vivid was released with the NRG solid cover and a different core to fill the void. What I don't understand is why they chose another solid with a different core instead of going NRG hybrid with the Shape Lock core. The Nanos are wildly successful while I haven't noticed many Vivid's at all...seems like they whiffed on the Vivid to me. I think a Nano hybrid would have sold a ton...but what do I know...I'm just the consumer...
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Yea i thought about doing that. From what i was told, the Lucid is a stronger up front than the Critical so i get the Critical, ill probably go longer pin on the lucid for more flare.
I actually found the CT stronger midlane and the Lucid stronger backend.
Really, did you lay them out the same?
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Like the idea miller.
I think it was overall due to the massive cover strength with NRG technology. as great as it was for many, it was seen as a problem also by many, and along the lines of the Invasion.
I think they made one last effort with the Vivid and hoped the raise in rg would tame down the NRG strength, which kinda explains why the Lucid doesn't have the NRG cover.
What they should do to fix that would be to create two lines for asymmetric balls...one line would support the stronger asymmetrics and the other to support the weaker asymmetrics. Afterall, they don't have a problem offering a buttload of bowling balls to choose from now do they? LOL!
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I also agree that the lucid was devised from the CT.
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Yea i thought about doing that. From what i was told, the Lucid is a stronger up front than the Critical so i get the Critical, ill probably go longer pin on the lucid for more flare.
I drilled my Lucid 50* 5" 65* Just like one of my Criticals.
I actually found the CT stronger midlane and the Lucid stronger backend.
Really, did you lay them out the same?
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I also agree that the lucid was devised from the CT.
Most definitely. The CT was on TV a lot...and you know Storm would rather see one with their name attached to it on the telecasts.
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That and with the the critical getting long in the tooth, its a way to keep the same type of reaction on the market.
Xcessive,
Im surprised, i guess its just reaction difference i witnessed.
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I also agree that the lucid was devised from the CT.
Most definitely. The CT was on TV a lot...and you know Storm would rather see one with their name attached to it on the telecasts.
I don't think Storm is thinking that way. I think it's a way of just going with what actually works.
Now don't get me wrong, the differences I saw werent that extreme. Maybe two board difference max.
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I know this isnt in the premier line but found it anyways
https://www.stormbowling.com/products/balls/iq300
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I hope they put a hybrid out at the beginning of the 2013.
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If you think the Nano Pearl rolled like a true pearl....you obviously never threw one. That ball rolled more like a hybrid...hence the reason for taking something out of the cover to create the Lucid.
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russell i still own the nano pearl. I throw the nano pearl when i have enough oil and not a ton of carry down. the only comparison that it has with a hybrid is its strength. but the nano "pearl" is definitely a pearl. a hybrid reads earlier on lighter amounts of oil but a pearl like the nano pearl is designed to get through that front and bite on the dry. plus a hybrid is more versatile than a pearl. yea the nano pearl is versatile but it is has more restrictions that a hybrid would not have. a pearl gives more of a left turn motion, which is what the nano pearl gives. a hybrid gives you a little earlier read with a smoother and stronger motion than a pearl.. my nano pearl is extremely long and too strong for most shots that i throw it on. which is why i restrict my personal use with it unless im on a 43+ foot sport shot that doesnt have a lot of carry down. I am glad storm did not put out a nano hybrid. I wish the would have put out a hybrid invasion but then they decided to test the new nano coverstock on the shape lock core. so my hopes of that was ruined. i am now hoping they put a hybrid vivid out...
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russell i still own the nano pearl. I throw the nano pearl when i have enough oil and not a ton of carry down. the only comparison that it has with a hybrid is its strength. but the nano "pearl" is definitely a pearl. a hybrid reads earlier on lighter amounts of oil but a pearl like the nano pearl is designed to get through that front and bite on the dry. plus a hybrid is more versatile than a pearl. yea the nano pearl is versatile but it is has more restrictions that a hybrid would not have. a pearl gives more of a left turn motion, which is what the nano pearl gives. a hybrid gives you a little earlier read with a smoother and stronger motion than a pearl.. my nano pearl is extremely long and too strong for most shots that i throw it on. which is why i restrict my personal use with it unless im on a 43+ foot sport shot that doesnt have a lot of carry down. I am glad storm did not put out a nano hybrid. I wish the would have put out a hybrid invasion but then they decided to test the new nano coverstock on the shape lock core. so my hopes of that was ruined. i am now hoping they put a hybrid vivid out...
The four that i get to watch are definitely looking like pearls..all i see is over under..i purposely didnt buy it cuz i wanted a VE replacement..
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I'm sorry, I had to read this thread again to see if I really saw what I thought I saw. And I did.
ithinkican, do you read what you post or do you just post to hear yourself talk? You claim that the Nano Pearl is too strong for you and you can't throw it except when there is a lot of oil (which means you must have like 13mph ball speed or 500 RPMS, I am betting more on the 13MPH, cause my Nano Pearl is no hook monster on oil), and yet you are screaming, yes screaming thanks to the caps, about Storm putting out a Hybrid. A Hybrid will be smoother than a Pearl, but in case you didn't know, and apparently you don't, it will also hook more than a pearl. So how do you expect to throw this great new Hybrid you want, when you can't throw a Nano Pearl now?????
To quote ESPN......C'mon Man!
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find in my posts or comments where i said "I CANT THROW" the nano pearl. my rev rate is 490 to be exact. I never said it was a hook monster in oil either. that is why i clearly stated i throw it on 43+ foot patterns.. i also said i am glad storm did not put out a nano hybrid, I never once said they should have put out a nano hybrid. im talking more along the lines of an invasion hybrid or the vivid hybrid.
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ithinkican,
The Vivid hooks just as much as the VG Nano.....the Invasion is an old retired ball that they don't use anymore so how can you expect to see another one of those....get real. The bottom line is you are yelling about something, and bitching as well, that you won't be able to throw. If you can't throw a Pearl except on a 43 ft pattern, you won't be able to throw a Hybrid on anything less than that either. maybe if I put this in all caps you'll understand it....A HYBRID HOOKS MORE THAN A PEARL!! The shape is different, but the overall hook is more. This whole rant of yours is an EPIC FAIL.
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Well I don't care, I want a Nano Hybrid! Come on Storm, gimmie a Virtual Energy Nano. And make it smell like B & J Cherry Garcia Ice Cream. ;D
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the nano pearl is tremedously stronger than the virtual energy and the infinite theory. it all depends on the coverstocks. of course it makes a difference whether it is pearl or hybrid but the nano pearl is the second strongest ball storm has ever produced. look it up. the shape lock was retired too. then they came out with the nano coverstocks. they can do it again.
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that sounds great.