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Cracked balls
« on: September 11, 2018, 08:54:09 PM »
In the past 12 months I have lost a Ride, a Snap Lock, and an iQ Tour.  They all cracked all the way around the ball.  They are stored in my finished, climate controlled basement on a ball rack when not in use.  I do not leave gear in the car overnite.

WTF is with all the Storm stuff randomly cracking?

 

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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2019, 11:05:38 AM »
Don't have enough room to store all mine climate controlled but I think key will be to keep all the especially newer reactives inside (especially Utah balls).  That ball was only out in garage on rack because one my least favorite reactives (due to weight and drilling).  Didn't have inserts but I had it plugged and re-drilled once and thumb was a bit tight which I opened some but never really liked.  Probably will put the balls I like most at least in bags.
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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2019, 11:16:41 AM »
Thanks Milo.  I thought I had a problem. You have me beat and it's not even close.

LOL. Even a lot of Pro Shop guys point at me and say, "Damn, that boy has a lot of balls!"


I have been selling them off lately though. I have sold about 20 used ones so far on eBay and a few NIB ones here. Mostly because I don't have enough plastic bags and don't want them to crack on me.  :o ;D
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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2019, 12:02:34 PM »
I still don't understand, I've gone through a couple hundred balls in the last few years and have had exactly 2 crack, and one of them was on purpose because I hated it, mine just lay around in the bag, on the floor, or on a wood rack in the basement.  I guess they just send me the special non cracking kind . .
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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2019, 12:03:20 PM »
Don't have enough room to store all mine climate controlled but I think key will be to keep all the especially newer reactives inside (especially Utah balls).  That ball was only out in garage on rack because one my least favorite reactives (due to weight and drilling).  Didn't have inserts but I had it plugged and re-drilled once and thumb was a bit tight which I opened some but never really liked.  Probably will put the balls I like most at least in bags.

I have never had a ball crack on me that I've owned for the lifetime of the ball, and was drilled by my PSO. The only ball I had crack was a RG Hectic I bought already drilled. I had it sitting in an open ball box in the garage awaiting it's trip to my PSO for plug and drill, and it split finger hole to weight hole.

I keep all my equipment in the garage that, while attached to my house is not climate controlled. In Ohio this winter we had many day of negative temps, and last summer the garage was quite warm. I keep them all in 3 ball rollers or tournament bags and not one has cracked. All Utah pieces and a few old Lane #1 pieces (2005).
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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2019, 12:34:28 PM »
Luke and Alonzo, thanks for making my point about it. Some balls crack, but MOST don't. It doesn't seem to be associated with a specific brand and from my experience, it doesn't seem to matter much how they are stored(within reason) either.

I do think there is a relationship to how they were drilled. But I could be mistaken on that as well.

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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2019, 01:24:50 PM »
This mystery of cracked balls sure needs solving.

I've had balls crack from the outside due to impact and thin covers.
Orange Eruption, Mass Eruption

And have had balls crack from the inside
Hyroad.

I've seen cores swell, in which my IT was no longer flush
Marvel S, Hyroad Pearl, and I've seen other cores swell as well but just in Storm balls  900 Global and Motiv. In fact, what's strange is I hardly used these 2 balls, and started using them 3 years later and the cores swelled pushing the IT out farther, about 1/8" of an inch. It just happened over night like how a mushroom grows. For 3 years they were stored in the original packaging, and then stored in 3 ball totes when it happened.

I think the material used in the cores is constantly curing like concrete, and something triggers a chemical reaction in which the core expands in size, but not sure what that trigger is. The result expands the inner filler and puts an enormous amount of inner pressure or force on the cover stock. I think Hammer has the right idea, by wrapping the core in a carbon fiber shell to control the expansion. Sort of like wrapping concrete in steel. I've had several pairs of Black Fly sun glasses, in which the glass lens expanded faster than the metal frame causing the frame to split. That's why almost all sun glasses now use a polymer lens, so they have the same expansion rate.

The plastic bag the balls come in seems to be the best protection.

Why do you think the core swells? Did you do anything to test that?

 I've had a couple crack and it was the cover that shrank, not the core swelling. We placed the steel ring(not sure what it's called) used for measuring size at the pro shop, the ball just slipped right through. That is proof the ball diameter was reduced in size. The IT stuck out to far, the IT hole became smaller and the pin plug was raised, but it wasn't the core swelling, it was the cover shrinking. I've had a couple of Storm balls in the past do this, and some of the older Lane Masters/Legends stuff did it as well.
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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2019, 01:52:48 PM »
While we all can agree (and have in the past here) that there is no scientific proof as to what causes the cracking, I also attest, that I’ve also had several balls crack (storm, Roto, ebo).

Since I have kept my balls in plastic bags, not 1 CRACK since then, in climate controlled rooms.  Physics 101 can sure do things to the mind that’s for sure.  ::)

I suspect that I own more bowling balls than most here. I have a bedroom that that is used for bowling balls and golf clubs, with golf clubs being one bag and a single set. I have metal shelving that can hold 150+ balls and those are full. I have two wooden ball racks that hold 25 balls each, those are full of drilled balls. I have quite a few sitting on ball cups on the floor, probably another 30+. Not one ball in this room has cracked. When I bring my equipment home from league or tournaments, I leave the bag in my living room and sometimes have a ball or two sitting on carpet for a day or so. I have had two balls crack while sitting on the carpet in the living room, therefore, carpet makes balls crack.  ;D


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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2019, 01:55:41 PM »
Mili, I also agree on you having the most balls on here as well.... I was heading that way many years back; Fortunately, life got the best of me, and slowed me down, because had I continued, I would of been divorced, and in rehab; whew.....  ;D

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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2019, 02:05:20 PM »
While we all can agree (and have in the past here) that there is no scientific proof as to what causes the cracking, I also attest, that I’ve also had several balls crack (storm, Roto, ebo).

Since I have kept my balls in plastic bags, not 1 CRACK since then, in climate controlled rooms.  Physics 101 can sure do things to the mind that’s for sure.  ::)

I suspect that I own more bowling balls than most here. I have a bedroom that that is used for bowling balls and golf clubs, with golf clubs being one bag and a single set. I have metal shelving that can hold 150+ balls and those are full. I have two wooden ball racks that hold 25 balls each, those are full of drilled balls. I have quite a few sitting on ball cups on the floor, probably another 30+. Not one ball in this room has cracked. When I bring my equipment home from league or tournaments, I leave the bag in my living room and sometimes have a ball or two sitting on carpet for a day or so. I have had two balls crack while sitting on the carpet in the living room, therefore, carpet makes balls crack.  ;D


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I can explain it succinctly; Single, no kids.  ;D
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« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2019, 02:06:32 PM »
Mili, I also agree on you having the most balls on here as well.... I was heading that way many years back; Fortunately, life got the best of me, and slowed me down, because had I continued, I would of been divorced, and in rehab; whew.....  ;D

I think MI 2 AZ might give me a pretty good run for the title. And I have been selling mine off recently.
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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #71 on: April 25, 2019, 02:39:59 PM »
Seen a couple people on here report 200+.  Still a bit under 100 myself and looking to keep it that way.  As someone said though once you get enough the damn things seem to reproduce on their own.

Also not burning Storm just happened to be one that cracked.  Have like 7 or 8 other Storm/Roto balls I love zero problems with and love.  This ball for whatever reason was kind of problem child from the get go mostly by some of my poor decisions (should never have re-drilled it or bought it in 16# in first place, taught me both matter much less than would seem on paper).  Like some of my other 16# but mostly because its was stuff impossible to get in 15# (ie gems) and don't have a choice.  I love my OG Hy-Roads.  The pearl pretty meh for me anyway.  Its no Marvel Pearl. 
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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #72 on: April 25, 2019, 02:53:12 PM »
I quit buying so many. I own 12 and will never own more.... they have to be the WORST way to spend money.  Pay $200 for a ball and it's worth virtually nothing after you drill it.  If I had 150 bowling balls, I'd commit myself to a mental health facility. --- that's like taking roughly $30,000 and lighting it on fire.

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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #73 on: April 25, 2019, 03:11:08 PM »
I quit buying so many. I own 12 and will never own more.... they have to be the WORST way to spend money.  Pay $200 for a ball and it's worth virtually nothing after you drill it.  If I had 150 bowling balls, I'd commit myself to a mental health facility. --- that's like taking roughly $30,000 and lighting it on fire.


Most of mine are NIB stuff. And you can turn a small profit if you pay attention, but it's not a way to make a living.

I happen to work for a company that owns/operates Mental Health Hospitals and Clinics. Let me know if you need a discount.  ;D
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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2019, 03:49:26 PM »
This mystery of cracked balls sure needs solving.

I've had balls crack from the outside due to impact and thin covers.
Orange Eruption, Mass Eruption

And have had balls crack from the inside
Hyroad.

I've seen cores swell, in which my IT was no longer flush
Marvel S, Hyroad Pearl, and I've seen other cores swell as well but just in Storm balls  900 Global and Motiv. In fact, what's strange is I hardly used these 2 balls, and started using them 3 years later and the cores swelled pushing the IT out farther, about 1/8" of an inch. It just happened over night like how a mushroom grows. For 3 years they were stored in the original packaging, and then stored in 3 ball totes when it happened.

I think the material used in the cores is constantly curing like concrete, and something triggers a chemical reaction in which the core expands in size, but not sure what that trigger is. The result expands the inner filler and puts an enormous amount of inner pressure or force on the cover stock. I think Hammer has the right idea, by wrapping the core in a carbon fiber shell to control the expansion. Sort of like wrapping concrete in steel. I've had several pairs of Black Fly sun glasses, in which the glass lens expanded faster than the metal frame causing the frame to split. That's why almost all sun glasses now use a polymer lens, so they have the same expansion rate.

The plastic bag the balls come in seems to be the best protection.

Why do you think the core swells? Did you do anything to test that?

 I've had a couple crack and it was the cover that shrank, not the core swelling. We placed the steel ring(not sure what it's called) used for measuring size at the pro shop, the ball just slipped right through. That is proof the ball diameter was reduced in size. The IT stuck out to far, the IT hole became smaller and the pin plug was raised, but it wasn't the core swelling, it was the cover shrinking. I've had a couple of Storm balls in the past do this, and some of the older Lane Masters/Legends stuff did it as well.

Proof would be if you knew for sure that the ball was larger when new.  They do have balls of all sizes after manufacturing and I am not sure which ball ring size they use in the factory.  I remember when the Brunswick 8583 came out that they sent a ball ring to the local pro shop and he used it to verify the 8583 balls were larger than the ring.  The marketing for the 8583 was that they were larger.  Some other balls, even from Brunswick, the ring would slip right on over. 

Of course, that was close to fifty years ago so I am not sure what size the balls are being sent out as now, but to get back to your proof statement and I am not saying that you are incorrect, but unless you knew for sure what size the ball was before it aged or cracked, you can't be sure that it was smaller now.  If the ring did not slip over the ball when it was fresh out of the factory and it does now, that would be proof of shrinking.

Personally, I too think that the coverstock could be shrinking and that the harder denser core material is shrinking at a slower rate, thus causing pressure on the coverstock, but I don't own one of those rings to do any type of testing.
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Re: Cracked balls
« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2019, 03:55:20 PM »
Kind of does look like ball cracked inside out what with the core being so easy to see with crack all the way through the thick coverstock (no 2nd core material in Hy-Road).

(edit:  MI isn't kidding about the sun here below.  First 100 degree day tomorrow.  Luckily even when its 115 out doesn't get over about 100 in my garage, have temp gauge).
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