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Title: Cracked balls
Post by: BeerLeague on September 11, 2018, 08:54:09 PM
In the past 12 months I have lost a Ride, a Snap Lock, and an iQ Tour.  They all cracked all the way around the ball.  They are stored in my finished, climate controlled basement on a ball rack when not in use.  I do not leave gear in the car overnite.

WTF is with all the Storm stuff randomly cracking?
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on September 11, 2018, 09:07:51 PM
More and more I think it is just bad luck.  Supposedly wood racks are bad but I use them too (along with a totes for some of my balls).  I haven't had any crack including quite a few Storms balls since I got back in bowling but only been a few years.  I rotate all mine every two weeks but probably just voodoo on my part.  Supposedly the best way to store is in plastic bags in a ball box which I do for my NIB but everything with holes I like to throw at least every now and then.  More and more I think it just comes down to luck as long as not in car in cold or something.  Now loss of ball reaction I find is mostly user driven but cracking is so darn random seems like.  I also live in the middle of the Sonoran desert so climate may play role too.

(edit:  I did have one Storm ball a Shift crack long ago but I stored it in a roller bag for like 5+ years in the garage without moving it.  Luckily the far better BVP Rampage was also in the bag and didn't crack and in fact threw a good set with it just yesterday.  Shift was a total dog so if had to have ball crack glad it was that one).
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: don coyote on September 11, 2018, 10:10:41 PM
I hate to add to this but after my Critical Theory, AND Virtual Gravity Nano cracked I have stopped buying high end Storm balls. I still have a Trauma ER and a Anarchy I use often but I have experienced no other cracks whatsoever.

Sorry, I forgot I had a Lane #1 Blue Death crack all the way around it. Even ripped the finger insert.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: psycaz on September 13, 2018, 11:48:40 AM
It’s become a right of summer in our house to have at least three crack. Company logo doesn’t matter. It’s mostly Storm here because we own a ton of Storm stuff. But have lost balls from other companies as well.

No rhyme or reason to where they’re stored.

Hell, my Hustle PRO cracked while I was bowling with it. No idea on that one. Cool day, ball was in my house all day. Only in the car for the 5 minute ride to the lanes. 3 shots in, crack.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Antec on September 15, 2018, 03:12:18 PM
I was reading this thread last night and fearing the day a ball of mine cracked. I store all mine in the box, in a bag, with a cup in the box. Last week I got out my ball oven, and noticed one ball on the shelf exposed sitting on a cup!

I just started bowling again after 3 years off. So it has been sitting there for 3 years like that. I don't go in the closet that much as it is where I store my bowling and golf stuff, it is in my home office which is climate controlled.

So today I drove out to my pro shop to pick up some balls I had drilled up. Got home was just cleaning them up to put in my bag. Thought since I had a box, I would put the one sitting on the shelf in it for storage. So I grab it.

Cracked between the finger holes. My DV8 Endless Nightmare is done. Tonight I am going to go and inspect all balls in storage and will report any findings.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Bowlaholic on September 15, 2018, 06:05:08 PM
I have posted numerous times in the past on my ball cracking experiences.  However, I now believe I may hold the record...…..22 balls since 2014.
Most 900 Global, next Storm/Roto Grip, next Ebonite/Columbia 300, next Brunswick/Radical, and last Motiv.
All have been stored on ball cups, in plastic bags, and rotated every month in a climate controlled home.
Here is the latest cracking (today).  I throw 15 lbs. Three months ago, a friend of mine gave me three 14 lb. balls when he dropped down in weight.  I stored these for the future when I may have to drop down in weight.  One was a Roto Grip Rumble which he has kept in his garage all these years in blistering heat in Florida without a problem.
Today, I went to rotate it & others and discovered it was completely cracked all the way around the ball.  Moral of the story, apparently sitting for years in severe heat does not crack them, but move them to a climate controlled environment.....well you decide.  From here on going forward, I only buy Motiv, because I only had one Motive ball (Chronic Paranoia) crack out of many Motiv balls I have owned to date.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: ignitebowling on September 15, 2018, 06:53:55 PM
Ive gone 15 + years with having a total of 3 balls crack.  In the last 2 years ive had 6+ crack.  All kept in doors in my office.  I do not use finger or thumb inserts.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: HankScorpio on September 15, 2018, 09:23:34 PM
I bought a Marvel Pearl at the beginning of summer. Great ball... until it cracked at the end of summer.  I was able to replace it with another Marvel Pearl, which promptly cracked within 3 weeks. I’m heading to my PSO tomorrow to replace it, and I probably won’t replace from Utah.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Antec on September 16, 2018, 06:39:30 AM
Just got done going through my little collection. All are fine! I did find 3 NIB's that did not have cups in them, so I corrected that.

I did see some balls that I want to take out soon. On a funny note, the first box I grabbed the ball was a Hammer Cold Blood, did not even know I had it!
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: charlest on September 16, 2018, 07:10:00 AM
I have posted numerous times in the past on my ball cracking experiences.  However, I now believe I may hold the record...…..22 balls since 2014.
Most 900 Global, next Storm/Roto Grip, next Ebonite/Columbia 300, next Brunswick/Radical, and last Motiv.
All have been stored on ball cups, in plastic bags, and rotated every month in a climate controlled home.
Here is the latest cracking (today).  I throw 15 lbs. Three months ago, a friend of mine gave me three 14 lb. balls when he dropped down in weight.  I stored these for the future when I may have to drop down in weight.  One was a Roto Grip Rumble which he has kept in his garage all these years in blistering heat in Florida without a problem.
Today, I went to rotate it & others and discovered it was completely cracked all the way around the ball.  Moral of the story, apparently sitting for years in severe heat does not crack them, but move them to a climate controlled environment.....well you decide.  From here on going forward, I only buy Motiv, because I only had one Motive ball (Chronic Paranoia) crack out of many Motiv balls I have owned to date.

It's not the sever heat nor the severe humidity that damages balls; it's the change in temperature or humidity that cracks them. The reason is simple: like a thermostat that uses the difference in expansion rates to show the rise in temperature, almost all balls consist of 3 different substances, core, filler and coverstock. All expand and contract at different rates. Most can handle that expansion and contraction, but when the rate is larger or quicker, something has to give. Thus the cracking.

Additionally, the old Lane Masters balls used to have their cores made of urethane. It was partly that that gave them so much hitting power, but since they were 2 piece balls: core and coverstock, their expansion and contraction rates were very similar. So they cracked much less often than 3 piece balls.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on September 16, 2018, 11:23:37 AM
I have posted numerous times in the past on my ball cracking experiences.  However, I now believe I may hold the record...…..22 balls since 2014.
Most 900 Global, next Storm/Roto Grip, next Ebonite/Columbia 300, next Brunswick/Radical, and last Motiv.
All have been stored on ball cups, in plastic bags, and rotated every month in a climate controlled home.
Here is the latest cracking (today).  I throw 15 lbs. Three months ago, a friend of mine gave me three 14 lb. balls when he dropped down in weight.  I stored these for the future when I may have to drop down in weight.  One was a Roto Grip Rumble which he has kept in his garage all these years in blistering heat in Florida without a problem.
Today, I went to rotate it & others and discovered it was completely cracked all the way around the ball.  Moral of the story, apparently sitting for years in severe heat does not crack them, but move them to a climate controlled environment.....well you decide.  From here on going forward, I only buy Motiv, because I only had one Motive ball (Chronic Paranoia) crack out of many Motiv balls I have owned to date.

It's not the sever heat nor the severe humidity that damages balls; it's the change in temperature or humidity that cracks them. The reason is simple: like a thermostat that uses the difference in expansion rates to show the rise in temperature, almost all balls consist of 3 different substances, core, filler and coverstock. All expand and contract at different rates. Most can handle that expansion and contraction, but when the rate is larger or quicker, something has to give. Thus the cracking.

Additionally, the old Lane Masters balls used to have their cores made of urethane. It was partly that that gave them so much hitting power, but since they were 2 piece balls: core and coverstock, their expansion and contraction rates were very similar. So they cracked much less often than 3 piece balls.

+1.  Another edge to 2 piece balls like the Hy-Road, HB, Quantums is less likely to crack from what I have heard.  Same with especially old urethane (which is often 2 piece) which is why those are what go in the garage.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 16, 2018, 12:02:12 PM
Do thinner cover stocks play a role?

Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: bowler100 on September 16, 2018, 12:12:58 PM
Do thinner cover stocks play a role?
Possibly, but I have personally lost two hyroad pearls (one was crack terribly too) due to cracking and it has a thick coverstock construction. Thick covers can STILL crack!
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on September 17, 2018, 09:28:19 AM
I think it from the core swelling as it cures. Like on my Hyroad Pearl and Marvel S, the core swelled 3 years after drilling them. Had to pull the IT, plug 1/4” and drill again. But they sat in the box within a bag and when I broke them out To use, they swelled on me about a little over an 1/8”. So when the core swells you get That clean crack around the ball.





From everything I have seen, it's not the core swelling. It the cover contracting. I have yet to see a ball that has a diameter that is larger than legal, but I have several older balls(especially the old Lane Masters/Legends stuff) that have shrunk in size quite a bit.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Bowlaholic on September 17, 2018, 10:40:02 AM
My PSO would agree with Milo as that's always been his position on why balls crack.
It would seem to explain why the Roto Grip Rumble mentioned above cracked.  It sat for years while being used and after it was retired in the garage in extreme heat (Florida) with no problems.
Then when it was given to me, I put it in the air conditioned house and it cracked.  It took a few months, but regardless it cracked. I'm so use to this problem, l don't get upset anymore...………..who my kidding, it still makes me mad as h_ll!
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BeerLeague on September 25, 2018, 10:24:28 AM
Update ...

I emailed Storm customer service, sent them photos of my iQ Tour, explained my situation, and they promptly shipped me a new iQ Tour.  I need to pay to drill it, but I'm not worried about that.

It's nice to see a company stand behind their product even after it is out of their standard warranty period.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Bowling Dan77 on September 28, 2018, 03:22:03 PM
I too have a Storm IQ Tour that cracked, after only 5 weeks.  The local pro shop would not even take a cell phone picture and email the manufacturer.  The shop manager actually told me "I don't care" and walked away.  The tech told me "he's having a bad day", but that's no way to treat an existing customer.

Anyway I've called Storm Customer Service and am hoping they handle themselves professionally (unlike Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville, VA).  All I'm asking for is that the manufacturer stand behind their written warranty.  I've been bowling for 50 years and have never had a problem with cracking, but this is my first Storm product.  Hopefully I just got a bad ball.  I know I used a really bad shop but that won't happen again.

I'll post back as soon as Storm returns my call and I have an answer.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Bowling Dan77 on October 01, 2018, 02:33:18 PM
Well as others have experienced, Storm reviewed the pictures I sent and is replacing the ball.  I'm a Storm fan for life.

Too bad the shop that sold me the ball wouldn't take 60 seconds to snap a picture and send an email to Storm on their customer's behalf.  Their loss - I'm through with Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville.  Anyone can drill a ball... it takes a little bit of knowledge and experience to do it right and to stand by your customers.  And I was really looking forward to Small Claims Court which would have been an easy win.

Doesn't matter - Orbdrillers doesn't need my money.   
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: earlyrolling on October 01, 2018, 08:16:58 PM
Brunswick announced anti-cracking technology today:

http://brunswickbowling.com/products/dot
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on October 01, 2018, 08:37:35 PM
Now I've heard everything...
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: GentGnoll on October 01, 2018, 09:01:03 PM
Curious. If This new technology holds true to what Brunswick claims, could we see Big B expand DOT to Radical and DV8? Or is it more a status-quo situation with Hammer and their carbon fiber cover-stocks with Ebonite?
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Juggernaut on October 01, 2018, 09:17:30 PM
Now I've heard everything...

 Gonna be like those “z spin” balls that all got drilled wrong by pro shops that had absolutely no idea what they were doing.

 Instead of learning first, they just throw it on the press and jam some holes in it, then blame the manufacturer for making it “the wrong way”.  (Yes, actually happened here)
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: CoorZero on October 01, 2018, 09:26:44 PM
Now I've heard everything...

 Gonna be like those “z spin” balls that all got drilled wrong by pro shops that had absolutely no idea what they were doing.

 Instead of learning first, they just throw it on the press and jam some holes in it, then blame the manufacturer for making it “the wrong way”.  (Yes, actually happened here)

That was my first thought after reading the linked page. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on October 01, 2018, 11:08:13 PM
Now I've heard everything...

 Gonna be like those “z spin” balls that all got drilled wrong by pro shops that had absolutely no idea what they were doing.

 Instead of learning first, they just throw it on the press and jam some holes in it, then blame the manufacturer for making it “the wrong way”.  (Yes, actually happened here)

Don't get me wrong love me some Visionary but even now with exception of the Gladiators I avoid the Z spin balls.  Visionary really screwed themselves over on those balls.  Plenty of yahoo drillers but Visionary's roll out well kinda sucked from what I have gathered and market punished them hard for it.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: charlest on October 02, 2018, 03:29:12 AM
Now I've heard everything...

 Gonna be like those “z spin” balls that all got drilled wrong by pro shops that had absolutely no idea what they were doing.

 Instead of learning first, they just throw it on the press and jam some holes in it, then blame the manufacturer for making it “the wrong way”.  (Yes, actually happened here)

Having gotten stuck by a couple of those Z-Spin balls, as far as I know, Visionary had zero idea what they did and never told anyone until several years later about these balls. They didn't even know they were Z-spin balls, until complaints started to pour in!!
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: bowler001 on October 02, 2018, 11:21:36 AM
DOT should be interesting. Will be nice to see a ball with the marking on it, along with CG and see how clear it is. Also my guess is they will color pin to match ball better so its less noticeable on bottom side of ball. Similar to how some plastics are done. Its not a bad idea. Only takes one cracked ball to lose customers. Most don't know they can warranty balls or its outside of warranty and instead choose to go and complain to friends about it.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: vwDiesel on October 02, 2018, 11:41:40 AM
To the OP:

Do you bowl league with any 2-handers? They caused it.  ;D
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Rightycomplex on October 02, 2018, 03:26:59 PM
I too have a Storm IQ Tour that cracked, after only 5 weeks.  The local pro shop would not even take a cell phone picture and email the manufacturer.  The shop manager actually told me "I don't care" and walked away.  The tech told me "he's having a bad day", but that's no way to treat an existing customer.

Anyway I've called Storm Customer Service and am hoping they handle themselves professionally (unlike Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville, VA).  All I'm asking for is that the manufacturer stand behind their written warranty.  I've been bowling for 50 years and have never had a problem with cracking, but this is my first Storm product.  Hopefully I just got a bad ball.  I know I used a really bad shop but that won't happen again.

I'll post back as soon as Storm returns my call and I have an answer.

Well as others have experienced, Storm reviewed the pictures I sent and is replacing the ball.  I'm a Storm fan for life.

Too bad the shop that sold me the ball wouldn't take 60 seconds to snap a picture and send an email to Storm on their customer's behalf.  Their loss - I'm through with Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville.  Anyone can drill a ball... it takes a little bit of knowledge and experience to do it right and to stand by your customers.  And I was really looking forward to Small Claims Court which would have been an easy win.

Doesn't matter - Orbdrillers doesn't need my money.   

Ok.... so as an employee of Orbdrillers Pro Shop and knowing the whole story talking with reps and my boss at Orbdrillers, I’m going to handle this as professionally as possible. Storm replaced that ball because my boss called them personally and asked. The crack this gentleman refers to is in the bridge and no company warranty’s a cracked bridge with inserts in the ball. At best it can be drilled out and repaired. Storm themselves does not warranty a ball until it has cracked the whole way around. This gentleman wanted a replacement ball for a cracked bridge which is out of the hands of Orbdrillers Pro Shop. Had the ball split in half we would have been more than happy to replace it with another ball.

Since the customer was adamant about a replacement my boss went out of his way to contact our Storm district sales rep to get a resolution but informed him not to get his hopes up. To his surprise, they decided to replace the ball (he has screenshots of the conversation to prove what I am saying) At this point this gentleman became irate before the decision was made and caused a scene inside the shop forcing my bosses hand to ask him to leave. Since then, this gentleman, has gone on to create fictitious accounts all over the internet to slander our name as a shop. We at Orbdrillers are dedicated to customer satisfaction and am willing to go above and beyond for the customer. I don’t understand this gentleman’s angle but we will continue to welcome new customers and handle issues like this with class and professionalism as they come to us. We will do everything we can within the guidelines of the company’s warranty. I just felt like this needed to be said as it was brought to my attention and as one of the only members of our team with a BR account that could respond.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on October 02, 2018, 04:04:35 PM
I too have a Storm IQ Tour that cracked, after only 5 weeks.  The local pro shop would not even take a cell phone picture and email the manufacturer.  The shop manager actually told me "I don't care" and walked away.  The tech told me "he's having a bad day", but that's no way to treat an existing customer.

Anyway I've called Storm Customer Service and am hoping they handle themselves professionally (unlike Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville, VA).  All I'm asking for is that the manufacturer stand behind their written warranty.  I've been bowling for 50 years and have never had a problem with cracking, but this is my first Storm product.  Hopefully I just got a bad ball.  I know I used a really bad shop but that won't happen again.

I'll post back as soon as Storm returns my call and I have an answer.

Well as others have experienced, Storm reviewed the pictures I sent and is replacing the ball.  I'm a Storm fan for life.

Too bad the shop that sold me the ball wouldn't take 60 seconds to snap a picture and send an email to Storm on their customer's behalf.  Their loss - I'm through with Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville.  Anyone can drill a ball... it takes a little bit of knowledge and experience to do it right and to stand by your customers.  And I was really looking forward to Small Claims Court which would have been an easy win.

Doesn't matter - Orbdrillers doesn't need my money.   

Ok.... so as an employee of Orbdrillers Pro Shop and knowing the whole story talking with reps and my boss at Orbdrillers, I’m going to handle this as professionally as possible. Storm replaced that ball because my boss called them personally and asked. The crack this gentleman refers to is in the bridge and no company warranty’s a cracked bridge with inserts in the ball. At best it can be drilled out and repaired. Storm themselves does not warranty a ball until it has cracked the whole way around. This gentleman wanted a replacement ball for a cracked bridge which is out of the hands of Orbdrillers Pro Shop. Had the ball split in half we would have been more than happy to replace it with another ball.

Since the customer was adamant about a replacement my boss went out of his way to contact our Storm district sales rep to get a resolution but informed him not to get his hopes up. To his surprise, they decided to replace the ball (he has screenshots of the conversation to prove what I am saying) At this point this gentleman became irate before the decision was made and caused a scene inside the shop forcing my bosses hand to ask him to leave. Since then, this gentleman, has gone on to create fictitious accounts all over the internet to slander our name as a shop. We at Orbdrillers are dedicated to customer satisfaction and am willing to go above and beyond for the customer. I don’t understand this gentleman’s angle but we will continue to welcome new customers and handle issues like this with class and professionalism as they come to us. We will do everything we can within the guidelines of the company’s warranty. I just felt like this needed to be said as it was brought to my attention and as one of the only members of our team with a BR account that could respond.

Thanks for sharing the other side of that story James. It did seem a little odd for an established pro shop to have that level of customer service.

To Bowling Dan77; you are a new user here and no offense against you but Rightycomplex has a solid reputation on this site.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Rightycomplex on October 02, 2018, 05:28:29 PM
I too have a Storm IQ Tour that cracked, after only 5 weeks.  The local pro shop would not even take a cell phone picture and email the manufacturer.  The shop manager actually told me "I don't care" and walked away.  The tech told me "he's having a bad day", but that's no way to treat an existing customer.

Anyway I've called Storm Customer Service and am hoping they handle themselves professionally (unlike Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville, VA).  All I'm asking for is that the manufacturer stand behind their written warranty.  I've been bowling for 50 years and have never had a problem with cracking, but this is my first Storm product.  Hopefully I just got a bad ball.  I know I used a really bad shop but that won't happen again.

I'll post back as soon as Storm returns my call and I have an answer.

Well as others have experienced, Storm reviewed the pictures I sent and is replacing the ball.  I'm a Storm fan for life.

Too bad the shop that sold me the ball wouldn't take 60 seconds to snap a picture and send an email to Storm on their customer's behalf.  Their loss - I'm through with Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville.  Anyone can drill a ball... it takes a little bit of knowledge and experience to do it right and to stand by your customers.  And I was really looking forward to Small Claims Court which would have been an easy win.

Doesn't matter - Orbdrillers doesn't need my money.   

Ok.... so as an employee of Orbdrillers Pro Shop and knowing the whole story talking with reps and my boss at Orbdrillers, I’m going to handle this as professionally as possible. Storm replaced that ball because my boss called them personally and asked. The crack this gentleman refers to is in the bridge and no company warranty’s a cracked bridge with inserts in the ball. At best it can be drilled out and repaired. Storm themselves does not warranty a ball until it has cracked the whole way around. This gentleman wanted a replacement ball for a cracked bridge which is out of the hands of Orbdrillers Pro Shop. Had the ball split in half we would have been more than happy to replace it with another ball.

Since the customer was adamant about a replacement my boss went out of his way to contact our Storm district sales rep to get a resolution but informed him not to get his hopes up. To his surprise, they decided to replace the ball (he has screenshots of the conversation to prove what I am saying) At this point this gentleman became irate before the decision was made and caused a scene inside the shop forcing my bosses hand to ask him to leave. Since then, this gentleman, has gone on to create fictitious accounts all over the internet to slander our name as a shop. We at Orbdrillers are dedicated to customer satisfaction and am willing to go above and beyond for the customer. I don’t understand this gentleman’s angle but we will continue to welcome new customers and handle issues like this with class and professionalism as they come to us. We will do everything we can within the guidelines of the company’s warranty. I just felt like this needed to be said as it was brought to my attention and as one of the only members of our team with a BR account that could respond.

Thanks for sharing the other side of that story James. It did seem a little odd for an established pro shop to have that level of customer service.

To Bowling Dan77; you are a new user here and no offense against you but Rightycomplex has a solid reputation on this site.

Thank you Milo. That means a lot. And I’m more than willing to be this gentleman’s PSO without knowing him or being in the shop that day. All I can go by is what I was told by both My Boss and Storm.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Impending Doom on October 02, 2018, 05:33:17 PM
James is class with a capital C.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Rightycomplex on October 02, 2018, 07:10:46 PM
James is class with a capital C.

Aye man I appreciate you! Lol if I had your hand I’d cut mines off.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: leftybowler70 on October 02, 2018, 09:40:15 PM
And he hasn’t responded since you dropped what likely happened during his visit, and he hasn’t responded yet; hmmm.... 🤔
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Tex on October 04, 2018, 06:56:24 PM
I have had balls crack manufactured by every major company I have used.  Storm, RG, 900, Columbia, Ebonite... Some in a short period of time and some that were over 10 years old.. All my stuff is stored in my dining room, either in boxes or bowling bags. It was suggested by my ball rep that I put them in the original bags to reduce chance of expansion due to moisture.  I also drop the dry sacks from med's or anything else I can find to help reduce moisture. Since starting using the plastic bags and dry sacks the only balls that have cracked are ones i didn't have a bag to put them in, so no protection. I do think its bad luck and likely results of expansion and contraction of different materials. So that would make you believe the high end balls might be more prone to the problem, but I have had lightbulb type core balls crack and ones that were on the high end as well.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on October 05, 2018, 12:02:14 AM
Just curious anybody had a Visionary ball crack?  All reactives crack but guessing they are probably on the lower end of how common it is.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: MI 2 AZ on October 05, 2018, 12:27:09 AM
Just curious anybody had a Visionary ball crack?  All reactives crack but guessing they are probably on the lower end of how common it is.

I had one crack on me but it was different from all the other balls I've had crack on me.  I was bowling league and decided I needed a different look so I went to the locker and pulled out my old Green Gargoyle.  Threw one shot with it and it came back cracked all the way around.  I don't know what happened.


With all the Visionary's that I own and use, that was the only one of theirs that cracked.  In fact, Visionary asked me to ship it back to them when I told them about it.


Edited to add, after thinking about it, I have seen or heard about other balls at our center doing this - cracking while bowling with them.  So maybe it is not all that uncommon, just the only time it happened to me.


Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: earlyrolling on October 05, 2018, 12:43:41 AM
Has anyone ever heard a ball crack all the way around while it was simply sitting on a shelf or floor?  Is there any sound at all?
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: imagonman on October 05, 2018, 01:47:30 AM
I had my 5 month old Brute NOS sitting in a ball cup on my shelf in office I had just bowled with the previous week when one nite I'm on the computer not 7 ft. away and I hear this semi-loud noise @ about 3 AM. I thought that something hit the outside of the house or the house was settling/creaking or something. Got up to look outside....nothing of course, nada. Went back to sit down @ the PC , yada yada, whatever. Two days later go to put the ball in the bag to go to league, & whala big crack all the way around the ball. So , yeah I heard it but never thought it was the ball cracking. Emailed Brunswick, sent pics & got a NEW BTU Pearl sent 2 weeks later. Kinda worked out cuz I hated that Brute anyway.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Bowling Dan77 on October 05, 2018, 08:43:28 AM
Storm has a ball warranty that's clear and easy to understand.  The bridge is warrantied against cracking provided the ball is drilled properly.  Pretty simple stuff. http://www.anchorman.com/Ball%20Warranty%20Guide.pdf (http://www.anchorman.com/Ball%20Warranty%20Guide.pdf)

The ball I purchased was drilled incorrectly - the finger holes were too close to the pin, the finger hole edges were rough and improperly finished, and the bridge was under 0.250".  What that means is the ball was improperly drilled.

After reading the replies I can tell the shop has a lot of supporters, that the employees are dedicated to their job, and that the posters to this forum respect the shop employees.  That doesn't change the fact that the ball was drilled incorrectly.

There's a written Storm Warranty procedure that states the ball in question should be returned to the original store for warranty evaluation.  I did that.  The driller told me "they all do that".  He then told me "it's up to Brian".  He added that "Brian is acting strange today - there's something wrong....".  The driller walked away to discuss the ball with Brian who was out in the bowling alley somewhere.

The driller returned and said "Brian said Storm doesn't warranty cracked bridges".  Then he asked me if I loft the ball (as if the force on the ball from lofting would cause a crack vs the force of the ball striking 4 pound stationary pins all day). 

I could see I was getting nowhere and I saw Brian standing there on his cell phone so I approached him and asked if he would address this with Storm.  He was unhappy, he resisted my appeal for at least consideration by Storm, and he took a picture of the cracks and began to walk away.   I said "don't you want a picture of the receipt so you know who I am?" and he replied "I don't care" and he walked away.  It was at that point that I raised my voice, told him he was a jerk, and walked out of the store.  I have no need for poor customer service.  When I pay a significant premium for something I expect to at least be supported if there's a warranty issue down the road.  That's not asking too much - that's what a good dealer provides to a paying customer.

I contacted Storm.  I sent pictures of the cracks.  I followed up with Storm.  And Storm is sending me a replacement ball.

If Storm had declined to replace the ball I would have simply taken this issue to Small Claims Court, and with the pictures and the Storm Warranty I would have easily won the case against Orbdrillers (not against Storm).  One look at the pictures and one review of the Storm Warranty and it's an open and shut case.

You know what would help reduce the likelihood of this issue happening again?  How about the business owner printing out the Storm Warranty and posting the pictures near the drilling equipment, along with some training to make the drillers aware of the Storm specific drilling requirements?   

This is a simple example of a business owner refusing to assist a customer with a warranty issue.  If Brian did contact Storm as ask that the ball be replaced - thank you.  That's the way it should have been handled in the first place.  I got it taken care of, and I have no further need for Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville, VA.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Impending Doom on October 05, 2018, 11:55:09 AM
Storm has a ball warranty that's clear and easy to understand.  The bridge is warrantied against cracking provided the ball is drilled properly.  Pretty simple stuff. http://www.anchorman.com/Ball%20Warranty%20Guide.pdf (http://www.anchorman.com/Ball%20Warranty%20Guide.pdf)

The ball I purchased was drilled incorrectly - the finger holes were too close to the pin, the finger hole edges were rough and improperly finished, and the bridge was under 0.250".  What that means is the ball was improperly drilled.

After reading the replies I can tell the shop has a lot of supporters, that the employees are dedicated to their job, and that the posters to this forum respect the shop employees.  That doesn't change the fact that the ball was drilled incorrectly.

There's a written Storm Warranty procedure that states the ball in question should be returned to the original store for warranty evaluation.  I did that.  The driller told me "they all do that".  He then told me "it's up to Brian".  He added that "Brian is acting strange today - there's something wrong....".  The driller walked away to discuss the ball with Brian who was out in the bowling alley somewhere.

The driller returned and said "Brian said Storm doesn't warranty cracked bridges".  Then he asked me if I loft the ball (as if the force on the ball from lofting would cause a crack vs the force of the ball striking 4 pound stationary pins all day). 

I could see I was getting nowhere and I saw Brian standing there on his cell phone so I approached him and asked if he would address this with Storm.  He was unhappy, he resisted my appeal for at least consideration by Storm, and he took a picture of the cracks and began to walk away.   I said "don't you want a picture of the receipt so you know who I am?" and he replied "I don't care" and he walked away.  It was at that point that I raised my voice, told him he was a jerk, and walked out of the store.  I have no need for poor customer service.  When I pay a significant premium for something I expect to at least be supported if there's a warranty issue down the road.  That's not asking too much - that's what a good dealer provides to a paying customer.

I contacted Storm.  I sent pictures of the cracks.  I followed up with Storm.  And Storm is sending me a replacement ball.

If Storm had declined to replace the ball I would have simply taken this issue to Small Claims Court, and with the pictures and the Storm Warranty I would have easily won the case against Orbdrillers (not against Storm).  One look at the pictures and one review of the Storm Warranty and it's an open and shut case.

You know what would help reduce the likelihood of this issue happening again?  How about the business owner printing out the Storm Warranty and posting the pictures near the drilling equipment, along with some training to make the drillers aware of the Storm specific drilling requirements?   

This is a simple example of a business owner refusing to assist a customer with a warranty issue.  If Brian did contact Storm as ask that the ball be replaced - thank you.  That's the way it should have been handled in the first place.  I got it taken care of, and I have no further need for Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville, VA.


Do you use grips?
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: imagonman on October 05, 2018, 03:49:24 PM
Storm has a ball warranty that's clear and easy to understand.  The bridge is warrantied against cracking provided the ball is drilled properly.  Pretty simple stuff. http://www.anchorman.com/Ball%20Warranty%20Guide.pdf (http://www.anchorman.com/Ball%20Warranty%20Guide.pdf)

The ball I purchased was drilled incorrectly - the finger holes were too close to the pin, the finger hole edges were rough and improperly finished, and the bridge was under 0.250".  What that means is the ball was improperly drilled.

After reading the replies I can tell the shop has a lot of supporters, that the employees are dedicated to their job, and that the posters to this forum respect the shop employees.  That doesn't change the fact that the ball was drilled incorrectly.

There's a written Storm Warranty procedure that states the ball in question should be returned to the original store for warranty evaluation.  I did that.  The driller told me "they all do that".  He then told me "it's up to Brian".  He added that "Brian is acting strange today - there's something wrong....".  The driller walked away to discuss the ball with Brian who was out in the bowling alley somewhere.

The driller returned and said "Brian said Storm doesn't warranty cracked bridges".  Then he asked me if I loft the ball (as if the force on the ball from lofting would cause a crack vs the force of the ball striking 4 pound stationary pins all day). 

I could see I was getting nowhere and I saw Brian standing there on his cell phone so I approached him and asked if he would address this with Storm.  He was unhappy, he resisted my appeal for at least consideration by Storm, and he took a picture of the cracks and began to walk away.   I said "don't you want a picture of the receipt so you know who I am?" and he replied "I don't care" and he walked away.  It was at that point that I raised my voice, told him he was a jerk, and walked out of the store.  I have no need for poor customer service.  When I pay a significant premium for something I expect to at least be supported if there's a warranty issue down the road.  That's not asking too much - that's what a good dealer provides to a paying customer.

I contacted Storm.  I sent pictures of the cracks.  I followed up with Storm.  And Storm is sending me a replacement ball.

If Storm had declined to replace the ball I would have simply taken this issue to Small Claims Court, and with the pictures and the Storm Warranty I would have easily won the case against Orbdrillers (not against Storm).  One look at the pictures and one review of the Storm Warranty and it's an open and shut case.

You know what would help reduce the likelihood of this issue happening again?  How about the business owner printing out the Storm Warranty and posting the pictures near the drilling equipment, along with some training to make the drillers aware of the Storm specific drilling requirements?   

This is a simple example of a business owner refusing to assist a customer with a warranty issue.  If Brian did contact Storm as ask that the ball be replaced - thank you.  That's the way it should have been handled in the first place.  I got it taken care of, and I have no further need for Orbdrillers in Mechanicsville, VA.

Damn skippy! Brian's got your $$ & gives 2 shits less. Find a new shop where YOU matter.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Geigs on October 10, 2018, 08:59:41 PM
Milorafferty is correct on the shell shrinking, not the core expanding. I have an storm blue thunder pearl from 1997 nib. Finally going to drill it. Took it out of the box, and noticed the pin is raised above the shell a good 1/32 of an inch. That tells me the shell has shrunk. Or maybe the core has expanded pushing the pin out. Who really knows why these balls crack. So many theories. Have had a few crack over the years. Anyway, going to drill out the raised pin and put in in my mid finger so this oldie but goodie blue thunder hopefully will have less chance to crack. Hope it doesn’t crack on the press. Lol!
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: scotts33 on October 11, 2018, 11:28:17 AM
Just curious anybody had a Visionary ball crack?  All reactives crack but guessing they are probably on the lower end of how common it is.

I probably have as many VBP balls as anybody on this forum and have never had one crack. It's too bad they went out of business and didn't develop a better ball line over recent years as their old stuff was great. 
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Mbosco on October 11, 2018, 06:38:54 PM
Are they officially closed?
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: JamminJD on October 11, 2018, 11:13:52 PM
Are they officially closed?

Unfortunately, yes. Very sad.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: JamminJD on October 11, 2018, 11:15:13 PM
Just curious anybody had a Visionary ball crack?  All reactives crack but guessing they are probably on the lower end of how common it is.

I probably have as many VBP balls as anybody on this forum and have never had one crack. It's too bad they went out of business and didn't develop a better ball line over recent years as their old stuff was great. 

I as well, over 30 VBP balls and never cracked...
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: clb813 on October 12, 2018, 01:37:30 PM
I have not lost a ball in 4 years. I store them in the basement on a wood rack. The difference is I store them with the holes down. I don't understand why it works but it works for me.  :)
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Track_Fanatic on October 12, 2018, 01:48:42 PM
Unfortunately, the only equipment I've had crack and there have been a lot of them are balls poured at the old Columbia site in San Antonio.  2 manufacturers not just 1.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on October 12, 2018, 07:51:00 PM
Unfortunately, the only equipment I've had crack and there have been a lot of them are balls poured at the old Columbia site in San Antonio.  2 manufacturers not just 1.

San Antonio and its brutal summers does have a bit of a rep when it comes to balls cracking.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingforSoup on October 12, 2018, 10:37:58 PM
 3 900 global for me this summer.The Fearless ball is on my radar.Although I am not sure it would help with my pap.I am really never that close to the pin.Usually more than an inch away.So who knows if this is just another gimmick to suck you in.

 Also not calling 900 global out .Also had 2 Radical balls crack this summer.All just over a year old.Balls were on a rack some in boxes so who knows what causes it.My opinion is that has been the ball company's intent.Crack after a year and you have to buy a new one.I have a original forest green quantum that was purchased when they first came out with lifts no cracks.Has to be around 20 years old.2 piece no filler balls is probably the way to go.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on April 24, 2019, 05:48:59 PM
Had my first one crack since coming back several years ago.  My 16# Hy-Road Pearl.  Cracked from ring finger hole down to balance hole (hadn't plugged yet) and from middle finger hole half way around the ball straight left.  Hadn't used it in quite some time but rotated it fairly recently I believe.  Looks like Storm balls have to be climate controlled (or else didn't like the wood rack, but ones in house on wood rack and knock on wood for them).  Had no problems whatsoever with older Brunswick and Visionary in garage.  Oh well if had to be one my Storms glad it was that one.  Never did match up and buying it in 16# was a mistake.

(edit:  bought in early October 2017, limited one year warranty indeed, at least its a ball still for sale even if I doubt I ever replace)
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: MI 2 AZ on April 24, 2019, 06:42:17 PM
Keep unused balls in plastic bag.   
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on April 24, 2019, 11:06:03 PM
Keep unused balls in plastic bag.

I do with all the ones I store in boxes and hardly use.  Guess going to start putting ones on racks in clear plastic bags as well.  Mild pain in the rear to put balls in and out as I use them (big on throwing as much of my stuff as I can) but cracked balls is a sad sight.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on April 24, 2019, 11:29:31 PM
I`m dubious to the benefit of keeping balls in plastic bags.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: MI 2 AZ on April 24, 2019, 11:41:59 PM
I`m dubious to the benefit of keeping balls in plastic bags.

Can it hurt?

All of mine that have cracked were not in plastic bags but most occurred before I thought of doing that.  Since then, like in BowlingForDonuts case, ones that I had kept out for near future use or that I was either lazy or forgot to, are the ones that cracked.  Others kept next to them in plastic bags have not cracked yet (and I checked them when I found the cracked one).  Not enough of a sample size but my own personal experience.

Recently I read here that one of the bowling ball companies was recommending keeping them in plastic bags but we started posting about doing this years ago on this site.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on April 24, 2019, 11:56:48 PM
The bowling ball companies aren't using plastic bags to keep them from cracking. 
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Impending Doom on April 25, 2019, 09:39:02 AM
I use 900 Global, don't bevel my fingers, and keep them on closet door I placed under my workbench and use the decorative inlay on the door to keep them in place and rotate them.

No cracking here.

But I am getting legit ball racks this weekend, so that's exciting!
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: leftybowler70 on April 25, 2019, 09:56:07 AM
While we all can agree (and have in the past here) that there is no scientific proof as to what causes the cracking, I also attest, that I’ve also had several balls crack (storm, Roto, ebo).

Since I have kept my balls in plastic bags, not 1 CRACK since then, in climate controlled rooms.  Physics 101 can sure do things to the mind that’s for sure.  ::)
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on April 25, 2019, 10:24:43 AM
While we all can agree (and have in the past here) that there is no scientific proof as to what causes the cracking, I also attest, that I’ve also had several balls crack (storm, Roto, ebo).

Since I have kept my balls in plastic bags, not 1 CRACK since then, in climate controlled rooms.  Physics 101 can sure do things to the mind that’s for sure.  ::)

I suspect that I own more bowling balls than most here. I have a bedroom that that is used for bowling balls and golf clubs, with golf clubs being one bag and a single set. I have metal shelving that can hold 150+ balls and those are full. I have two wooden ball racks that hold 25 balls each, those are full of drilled balls. I have quite a few sitting on ball cups on the floor, probably another 30+. Not one ball in this room has cracked. When I bring my equipment home from league or tournaments, I leave the bag in my living room and sometimes have a ball or two sitting on carpet for a day or so. I have had two balls crack while sitting on the carpet in the living room, therefore, carpet makes balls crack.  ;D
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Skip H on April 25, 2019, 10:57:50 AM
Thanks Milo.  I thought I had a problem. You have me beat and it's not even close.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on April 25, 2019, 11:05:38 AM
Don't have enough room to store all mine climate controlled but I think key will be to keep all the especially newer reactives inside (especially Utah balls).  That ball was only out in garage on rack because one my least favorite reactives (due to weight and drilling).  Didn't have inserts but I had it plugged and re-drilled once and thumb was a bit tight which I opened some but never really liked.  Probably will put the balls I like most at least in bags.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on April 25, 2019, 11:16:41 AM
Thanks Milo.  I thought I had a problem. You have me beat and it's not even close.

LOL. Even a lot of Pro Shop guys point at me and say, "Damn, that boy has a lot of balls!"


I have been selling them off lately though. I have sold about 20 used ones so far on eBay and a few NIB ones here. Mostly because I don't have enough plastic bags and don't want them to crack on me.  :o ;D
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on April 25, 2019, 12:02:34 PM
I still don't understand, I've gone through a couple hundred balls in the last few years and have had exactly 2 crack, and one of them was on purpose because I hated it, mine just lay around in the bag, on the floor, or on a wood rack in the basement.  I guess they just send me the special non cracking kind . .
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: AlonzoHarris on April 25, 2019, 12:03:20 PM
Don't have enough room to store all mine climate controlled but I think key will be to keep all the especially newer reactives inside (especially Utah balls).  That ball was only out in garage on rack because one my least favorite reactives (due to weight and drilling).  Didn't have inserts but I had it plugged and re-drilled once and thumb was a bit tight which I opened some but never really liked.  Probably will put the balls I like most at least in bags.

I have never had a ball crack on me that I've owned for the lifetime of the ball, and was drilled by my PSO. The only ball I had crack was a RG Hectic I bought already drilled. I had it sitting in an open ball box in the garage awaiting it's trip to my PSO for plug and drill, and it split finger hole to weight hole.

I keep all my equipment in the garage that, while attached to my house is not climate controlled. In Ohio this winter we had many day of negative temps, and last summer the garage was quite warm. I keep them all in 3 ball rollers or tournament bags and not one has cracked. All Utah pieces and a few old Lane #1 pieces (2005).
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on April 25, 2019, 12:34:28 PM
Luke and Alonzo, thanks for making my point about it. Some balls crack, but MOST don't. It doesn't seem to be associated with a specific brand and from my experience, it doesn't seem to matter much how they are stored(within reason) either.

I do think there is a relationship to how they were drilled. But I could be mistaken on that as well.

Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on April 25, 2019, 01:24:50 PM
This mystery of cracked balls sure needs solving.

I've had balls crack from the outside due to impact and thin covers.
Orange Eruption, Mass Eruption

And have had balls crack from the inside
Hyroad.

I've seen cores swell, in which my IT was no longer flush
Marvel S, Hyroad Pearl, and I've seen other cores swell as well but just in Storm balls  900 Global and Motiv. In fact, what's strange is I hardly used these 2 balls, and started using them 3 years later and the cores swelled pushing the IT out farther, about 1/8" of an inch. It just happened over night like how a mushroom grows. For 3 years they were stored in the original packaging, and then stored in 3 ball totes when it happened.

I think the material used in the cores is constantly curing like concrete, and something triggers a chemical reaction in which the core expands in size, but not sure what that trigger is. The result expands the inner filler and puts an enormous amount of inner pressure or force on the cover stock. I think Hammer has the right idea, by wrapping the core in a carbon fiber shell to control the expansion. Sort of like wrapping concrete in steel. I've had several pairs of Black Fly sun glasses, in which the glass lens expanded faster than the metal frame causing the frame to split. That's why almost all sun glasses now use a polymer lens, so they have the same expansion rate.

The plastic bag the balls come in seems to be the best protection.

Why do you think the core swells? Did you do anything to test that?

 I've had a couple crack and it was the cover that shrank, not the core swelling. We placed the steel ring(not sure what it's called) used for measuring size at the pro shop, the ball just slipped right through. That is proof the ball diameter was reduced in size. The IT stuck out to far, the IT hole became smaller and the pin plug was raised, but it wasn't the core swelling, it was the cover shrinking. I've had a couple of Storm balls in the past do this, and some of the older Lane Masters/Legends stuff did it as well.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: leftybowler70 on April 25, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
While we all can agree (and have in the past here) that there is no scientific proof as to what causes the cracking, I also attest, that I’ve also had several balls crack (storm, Roto, ebo).

Since I have kept my balls in plastic bags, not 1 CRACK since then, in climate controlled rooms.  Physics 101 can sure do things to the mind that’s for sure.  ::)

I suspect that I own more bowling balls than most here. I have a bedroom that that is used for bowling balls and golf clubs, with golf clubs being one bag and a single set. I have metal shelving that can hold 150+ balls and those are full. I have two wooden ball racks that hold 25 balls each, those are full of drilled balls. I have quite a few sitting on ball cups on the floor, probably another 30+. Not one ball in this room has cracked. When I bring my equipment home from league or tournaments, I leave the bag in my living room and sometimes have a ball or two sitting on carpet for a day or so. I have had two balls crack while sitting on the carpet in the living room, therefore, carpet makes balls crack.  ;D


Your a bowling ball god... if you can pass on your magic formula on how blessed you are from such good fortune, please share it. 🤞🏻🙏
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: leftybowler70 on April 25, 2019, 01:55:41 PM
Mili, I also agree on you having the most balls on here as well.... I was heading that way many years back; Fortunately, life got the best of me, and slowed me down, because had I continued, I would of been divorced, and in rehab; whew.....  ;D
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on April 25, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
While we all can agree (and have in the past here) that there is no scientific proof as to what causes the cracking, I also attest, that I’ve also had several balls crack (storm, Roto, ebo).

Since I have kept my balls in plastic bags, not 1 CRACK since then, in climate controlled rooms.  Physics 101 can sure do things to the mind that’s for sure.  ::)

I suspect that I own more bowling balls than most here. I have a bedroom that that is used for bowling balls and golf clubs, with golf clubs being one bag and a single set. I have metal shelving that can hold 150+ balls and those are full. I have two wooden ball racks that hold 25 balls each, those are full of drilled balls. I have quite a few sitting on ball cups on the floor, probably another 30+. Not one ball in this room has cracked. When I bring my equipment home from league or tournaments, I leave the bag in my living room and sometimes have a ball or two sitting on carpet for a day or so. I have had two balls crack while sitting on the carpet in the living room, therefore, carpet makes balls crack.  ;D


Your a bowling ball god... if you can pass on your magic formula on how blessed you are from such good fortune, please share it. 🤞🏻🙏

I can explain it succinctly; Single, no kids.  ;D
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on April 25, 2019, 02:06:32 PM
Mili, I also agree on you having the most balls on here as well.... I was heading that way many years back; Fortunately, life got the best of me, and slowed me down, because had I continued, I would of been divorced, and in rehab; whew.....  ;D

I think MI 2 AZ might give me a pretty good run for the title. And I have been selling mine off recently.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on April 25, 2019, 02:39:59 PM
Seen a couple people on here report 200+.  Still a bit under 100 myself and looking to keep it that way.  As someone said though once you get enough the damn things seem to reproduce on their own.

Also not burning Storm just happened to be one that cracked.  Have like 7 or 8 other Storm/Roto balls I love zero problems with and love.  This ball for whatever reason was kind of problem child from the get go mostly by some of my poor decisions (should never have re-drilled it or bought it in 16# in first place, taught me both matter much less than would seem on paper).  Like some of my other 16# but mostly because its was stuff impossible to get in 15# (ie gems) and don't have a choice.  I love my OG Hy-Roads.  The pearl pretty meh for me anyway.  Its no Marvel Pearl. 
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BeerLeague on April 25, 2019, 02:53:12 PM
I quit buying so many. I own 12 and will never own more.... they have to be the WORST way to spend money.  Pay $200 for a ball and it's worth virtually nothing after you drill it.  If I had 150 bowling balls, I'd commit myself to a mental health facility. --- that's like taking roughly $30,000 and lighting it on fire.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on April 25, 2019, 03:11:08 PM
I quit buying so many. I own 12 and will never own more.... they have to be the WORST way to spend money.  Pay $200 for a ball and it's worth virtually nothing after you drill it.  If I had 150 bowling balls, I'd commit myself to a mental health facility. --- that's like taking roughly $30,000 and lighting it on fire.


Most of mine are NIB stuff. And you can turn a small profit if you pay attention, but it's not a way to make a living.

I happen to work for a company that owns/operates Mental Health Hospitals and Clinics. Let me know if you need a discount.  ;D
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: MI 2 AZ on April 25, 2019, 03:49:26 PM
This mystery of cracked balls sure needs solving.

I've had balls crack from the outside due to impact and thin covers.
Orange Eruption, Mass Eruption

And have had balls crack from the inside
Hyroad.

I've seen cores swell, in which my IT was no longer flush
Marvel S, Hyroad Pearl, and I've seen other cores swell as well but just in Storm balls  900 Global and Motiv. In fact, what's strange is I hardly used these 2 balls, and started using them 3 years later and the cores swelled pushing the IT out farther, about 1/8" of an inch. It just happened over night like how a mushroom grows. For 3 years they were stored in the original packaging, and then stored in 3 ball totes when it happened.

I think the material used in the cores is constantly curing like concrete, and something triggers a chemical reaction in which the core expands in size, but not sure what that trigger is. The result expands the inner filler and puts an enormous amount of inner pressure or force on the cover stock. I think Hammer has the right idea, by wrapping the core in a carbon fiber shell to control the expansion. Sort of like wrapping concrete in steel. I've had several pairs of Black Fly sun glasses, in which the glass lens expanded faster than the metal frame causing the frame to split. That's why almost all sun glasses now use a polymer lens, so they have the same expansion rate.

The plastic bag the balls come in seems to be the best protection.

Why do you think the core swells? Did you do anything to test that?

 I've had a couple crack and it was the cover that shrank, not the core swelling. We placed the steel ring(not sure what it's called) used for measuring size at the pro shop, the ball just slipped right through. That is proof the ball diameter was reduced in size. The IT stuck out to far, the IT hole became smaller and the pin plug was raised, but it wasn't the core swelling, it was the cover shrinking. I've had a couple of Storm balls in the past do this, and some of the older Lane Masters/Legends stuff did it as well.

Proof would be if you knew for sure that the ball was larger when new.  They do have balls of all sizes after manufacturing and I am not sure which ball ring size they use in the factory.  I remember when the Brunswick 8583 came out that they sent a ball ring to the local pro shop and he used it to verify the 8583 balls were larger than the ring.  The marketing for the 8583 was that they were larger.  Some other balls, even from Brunswick, the ring would slip right on over. 

Of course, that was close to fifty years ago so I am not sure what size the balls are being sent out as now, but to get back to your proof statement and I am not saying that you are incorrect, but unless you knew for sure what size the ball was before it aged or cracked, you can't be sure that it was smaller now.  If the ring did not slip over the ball when it was fresh out of the factory and it does now, that would be proof of shrinking.

Personally, I too think that the coverstock could be shrinking and that the harder denser core material is shrinking at a slower rate, thus causing pressure on the coverstock, but I don't own one of those rings to do any type of testing.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on April 25, 2019, 03:55:20 PM
Kind of does look like ball cracked inside out what with the core being so easy to see with crack all the way through the thick coverstock (no 2nd core material in Hy-Road).

(edit:  MI isn't kidding about the sun here below.  First 100 degree day tomorrow.  Luckily even when its 115 out doesn't get over about 100 in my garage, have temp gauge).
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: MI 2 AZ on April 25, 2019, 03:55:35 PM
Luke and Alonzo, thanks for making my point about it. Some balls crack, but MOST don't. It doesn't seem to be associated with a specific brand and from my experience, it doesn't seem to matter much how they are stored(within reason) either.

I do think there is a relationship to how they were drilled. But I could be mistaken on that as well.



I have seen many balls crack around here owned by other bowlers.  Many are because the driller they use in Tucson does not adhere to the hole to pin distance recommendations.  They are usually within a half inch or less and that I suspect is part of the problem. 

Also, I don't know for sure if this is a cause, but our average humidity here in Arizona is very low, usually under 20%.  That can't help.  Plastic items don't do well here, usually end up cracking or splitting but that may also be due to the extremely high heat from the sun.  Our sun is intense.

I agree that the brand does not seem to matter but storing does.  Around here, you should not keep it in your car or trunk.  Too much of a temperature swing.  One bowler kept complaining about the new balls keep cracking and then I asked him how he stored them.  "In the car" was his answer. 

Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: MI 2 AZ on April 25, 2019, 03:57:22 PM
Mili, I also agree on you having the most balls on here as well.... I was heading that way many years back; Fortunately, life got the best of me, and slowed me down, because had I continued, I would of been divorced, and in rehab; whew.....  ;D

I think MI 2 AZ might give me a pretty good run for the title. And I have been selling mine off recently.

Not a title I would like to admit to, but I too am single, no kids.   :)
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: MI 2 AZ on April 25, 2019, 04:07:16 PM
I enjoy these type of discussions.  :)

Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on April 25, 2019, 07:11:46 PM
Have kids but built my arsenal on the cheap.  Vast majority of my balls were not bought new and when do buy new almost always buy clearance.  Have a lot more balls with inserts than I would like this way but guessing average for me is probably a lot closer to $100 a ball than $200 even with occasional plugging and drilling.  Ball that cracked was bought new so go figure.  Beats gambling or opioids so always worse ways to spend money.  Going to retire comfortable which bowling will probably help make possible by helping me not die in my 50s of heart disease or something by being a couch potato.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Impending Doom on April 25, 2019, 07:25:38 PM
I have kids but I'm on staff and know how to drill my own stuff, plus I'm a student of the pro shop game, so I'm ahead. My other great love is being a computer nerd, and I haven't spent much money on that love recently, but with the new AMD server chips out, I just priced out a $5000 rig that would blow your mind. I can't afford both, so bowling it is!
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: johns811 on April 26, 2019, 10:32:46 AM
I had 4 or so crack just sitting on the ball rack in my basement. Power Groove, RG Horizon, Hammer something and Columbia something. I think the covers are too thin. I have older reactive balls when the covers were like 2" thick never cracked.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: milorafferty on April 26, 2019, 11:09:06 AM
I have kids but I'm on staff and know how to drill my own stuff, plus I'm a student of the pro shop game, so I'm ahead. My other great love is being a computer nerd, and I haven't spent much money on that love recently, but with the new AMD server chips out, I just priced out a $5000 rig that would blow your mind. I can't afford both, so bowling it is!

It wouldn't blow my mind. I just recently purchased two servers for our company that cost $155K each. 100TB(Usable space) of SSD hard drives after RAID 10 on one and RAID 5 on the other. 64TB RAM and 64 Sockets with 4 CPU per. Yours probably has a better graphics card though.   ;D

Of course, it wasn't money out of my pocket.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: psycaz on April 27, 2019, 07:05:45 AM
I have kids but I'm on staff and know how to drill my own stuff, plus I'm a student of the pro shop game, so I'm ahead. My other great love is being a computer nerd, and I haven't spent much money on that love recently, but with the new AMD server chips out, I just priced out a $5000 rig that would blow your mind. I can't afford both, so bowling it is!

Here I am looking for old scrap server stuff that still works. Running a dual X5650 system that does ok. That new AMD stuff looks very very good.

We’ve had many balls crack in their our house. Temp control isn’t perfect by any means and I believe that causes the problems. Have seem several times where any existing plug material is noticeably higher than the cover stock. Always know those are toast. Not a matter of if, just when.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on June 07, 2019, 11:45:51 AM
By the way come to the conclusion at least when it comes to cracking in the garage your biggest risk factor by far is plugs and balance holes.  If have to keep a ball in the garage pick the ones that have never been plugged or without balance holes is my advice.  Every ball I have had crack, one of the crack endpoints was a plug or balance hole.
Title: Re: Cracked balls
Post by: Bowlaholic on June 07, 2019, 07:16:56 PM
I have had many and I mean many balls crack in the garage and the house that never were plugged or had a balance hole.
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