Post by: Nicanor on April 07, 2010, 11:33:35 AM
I'm sure many have had great success with the Invasion, but two tries with different drillings as well as others that I've encountered in the pro shop has had no luck except it makes a great but expensive 10 pin ball.
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Post by: MrPerfect on April 07, 2010, 08:02:16 PM
Still haven't decided to get one yet, but it's down to the 3.5 or the Invasion.
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Post by: A_P_K on April 07, 2010, 08:41:50 PM
One league a bowler is using an Invasion, I can cover the same boards or more with my LE.
Another league one bowler uses a Virtual Gravity. This bowler has such a high rev rate and uses it on light oil to begin with, it''s obvious to everyone but him it''s rolling out.
I don''t think it''s a flop personally even though I haven''t used one it''s more of a niche ball.
Most THBs are looking for that well rounded ball to give them an edge, not something that sticks them in one corner of the industry.
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Post by: Nicanor on April 07, 2010, 09:05:24 PM
The Invasion I tried, i tried two different drill patterns and different surface changes. The ball went sanded with 1000 Ablaron and rolling out to 4000 Ablaron with water on a spinner and the ball would not read the break point and several surface adjustment in between. No luck.
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Post by: jmattox on April 07, 2010, 09:22:41 PM
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Post by: Nicanor on April 07, 2010, 10:48:06 PM
Isn't that amazing that I like the Mutant much more then the Invasion. I think the Reign is tremendous so maybe i should try the Reign of Fire.
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Post by: Monster Pike on April 07, 2010, 11:05:46 PM
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Post by: T C 300 on April 08, 2010, 05:43:48 AM
but im sure most are rev challenged so..... LOL
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Post by: Nicanor on April 08, 2010, 09:02:01 AM
I throw almost all Storm/Roto Grip with the exception of the Mission. I bring this post up because I am hearing locally that bowlers are having the same problem that I seen with regards to the Invasion. I know that many are having great succes with the Invasion so I didn''t post that the Invasion was a flop. I was just asking if others have had the same difficulty that I have had with the Invasion.
I did post when the Invasion that I didn''t see all the hoopla in the Invasion and asked for recommendations. I plugged and re-drilled and had different surface adjustments all with limited success.
When I was at the pro shop the other day and I seen a bowler with an Invasion in his hand I asked him what he thought. He stated also that the ball wouldn''t read the break point and was wondering what could be done to get this hook monster that was suppose to hook more then the VG read the lane.
So it made me curious if others are having the same problem. I knew there would be a lot of Storm defenders jumping on here stating that we didn''t drill it right or we didn''t know how to bowl or that the ball was used on a lane condition with not enough oil. Heard it all before, but I''m just seeing if others are not having the success with the Invasion that we had with the VG.
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Post by: riggs on April 08, 2010, 09:15:01 AM
I'm sure there are plenty of people out there drilling the INVASION far, far too strong and with way too much surface for what they're bowling on. Then they toss it out in the bone dry outside 10 boards on their house shot and it blows up before it gets to the arrows.
I've thrown prety much every Storm ball released since 1996 and the INVASION is the best ball FOR OIL the company has made, IMO. It's No. 1 out of the bag for me when there's oil on lanes -- didn't eve bring any VIRTUAL GRAVITYs to Reno.
Where I wouldn't use it is a hooking house shot with bone dry outside 10.
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Post by: Nicanor on April 08, 2010, 09:24:31 AM
I currently have the ball 500-4000 and Rough-Buff to try and get the ball through the heads a little better and retain some energy but when I throw it along side my Rapid Fire solid, the Invasion looks to be a very controlled ball that doesn't drive the pocket. I have also tried it at 2000 with Rough Buff and I just don't see the movement that I would think we would see with the Invasion. I also know that I just might not match up with the Invasion, so I'm not trying to take anything away from the ball.
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Post by: Jesse James on April 08, 2010, 09:37:07 AM
I've have seen very few people have success with this ball, in my neck of the woods. Could it be because most of the houses in our area employ light oil THS?Most likely!!
One of my good buddies whom I trade balls with regularly was trying to unload an only-used-twice, Invasion on me, last week. He said he'd shot 738 with it in a tourny......out of town, but couldn't seem to get the same results in town. Duh!
I don't think it is a bad ball at all. You just have to know when you can, and cannot use it. I would equate it to the reactions I am seeing from people here using the Brunswick 3.5, C-System.
That ball needs volume too. People using it around here leave a ton of 8 pins and 9 pins!
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on April 08, 2010, 09:39:55 AM
One thing i did so i can use it on a house shot if i have any volume at all is take the surface up one step at a time. The 500 to 4000 box finish really wants to read too early for me on any pattern without length and volume. I went 500, 1000, 2000 and then finished it off with 4000 by hand. Gives me a look like an original dimension but stronger downlane.
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Post by: Dyno-Joe on April 08, 2010, 10:27:20 AM
Post by: tommygn on April 08, 2010, 11:00:26 AM
Now with this said, sometimes my Reign of Fire will cover more boards than my Invasions. Sometimes my pin under VG has more backend, and sometimes it has less backend than my Invasion. The Invasion is just so consistent for me.
I even tried to put 600 CAB sand on my pin in ring Invasion, and I could still get it through the front of the lane. The R2X cover, at that surface prep, hooks at my feet until it gets alot of oil on it.
Please refer to the two reviews I posted of the Invasions for additional info.
Also, in reference to Riggs''s post about drilling the Invasions too strong, the latest Invasion I drilled (pin over ring, MB in thumb, no x hole) has the most board coverage, and is the weakest drilling of the three.
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Post by: Hamburglar on April 08, 2010, 11:33:48 AM
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Another league one bowler uses a Virtual Gravity. This bowler has such a high rev rate and uses it on light oil to begin with, it''s obvious to everyone but him it''s rolling out.
I love when that happens...
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Post by: Kinalyx on April 08, 2010, 12:15:43 PM
he says hes drilled 10 or so, & at least 5 have had major problems with them. A couple of which just plain wouldnt hook(i had the same problem with my second dimension).
He said hes watched these people, some of which are 220+ average bowlers, & the ball just wont rev up. He thought, like most of you are thinking, that the ball was rolling out due to not enough oil. Well, no matter where they played on the lane, or how much hand these people had, the ball wouldnt rev up & turn over, AT ALL. A guy with a 350+ ref rate was missing the headpin 90% of the time as he continuously moved right to find someplace that wouldmake the ball hook.
Storm is a good company tho, they reimbursed him for the balls he took back from customers and replaced with something different.
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Post by: Rotoguy300 on April 08, 2010, 03:20:18 PM
How much a ball hooks is irrelavent to your score, where it hooks and how it releases its energy is what is relavent to your score.
Too many people are drilling this ball who either shouldn't be at all, drilling it too strong or throwing it when there is far too much friction on the lanes.
EVERY Invasion I have drilled has looked good for everyone I have drilled them for. Why? I don't put them in the hands of the wrong people, I don't drill them strong unless the case is extreme (ie someone who is overly rotationally challenged and fires rockets) and I educate my consumers about roll out- so they don't throw charcoal with a 4 second spin time on toast... lol
PS- I can promise you that anyone who says their Mutant doesn't hook has a ball with a pin in a weak position and a mass bias in a strong position and it's not rolling in the right spot at all. That's about the only problem I've seen with that ball (outside of the fact that it is far too strong for me on anything that isn't flooded, which is why I've thrown it like 2x ever).
Post by: Nicanor on April 08, 2010, 03:21:17 PM
I bought my Invasion, Rapid Fire and Mutant as well as the Invasion. On the first pair of lanes I got lined up standing 26 throw the ball 13 out to 10 and was crushing the pocket. The Invasion surface prep was 500-2000-4000 Rough Buff. The Invasion never read the break point. Wask out after wash out (during practice). Rapid Fire turning strong at the break point and carry wsa tremendous.
Moved to the next pair of lanes where I was watching the first set of bowlers playing down and in 10 out to about 8. I got lined up with the Mutant and was crushing the pocket. The Invasion labored to make any move to the pocket.
I think that possibly a bad batch of Invasions got out of Utah because there are way too many good and bad stories.
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on April 08, 2010, 04:06:27 PM
Out of curiosity why are you using rough buff as the final step in your surface prep? Im not really familiar with it but from what i recall this is a compound which will do a fairly good job of either clogging the pores/and lowering the surface texture of the bowling ball, especially if applied OVER a 4000 abralon surface. Also, was it applied on a spinner and burned into the surface? If i applied the steps you did to an invasion i doubt i would be able to get the ball to read properly either.
One more question, did you go to your original ball driller with your problem? He would be the best to help you with your issue as he knows what you are bowling on and what your style is like. If not, did you contact storm's technical department regarding your issues?
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Post by: Nicanor on April 08, 2010, 04:07:15 PM
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Post by: themagician on April 08, 2010, 04:09:24 PM
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For those of us who threw or throw the VG, the Invasion was supose to be 3-5 boards stronger. Now was that throughout the lane or from the break point?
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Its hard to compare balls in that fashion but since the coverstock is strong on the invasion (backed by higher R.A. values) and earlier rolling core (IIRC) it should hook more through the lane.
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Post by: Nicanor on April 08, 2010, 06:41:15 PM
Thanks for all your help Gene.
Barry
Post by: EFFEN 10 on April 08, 2010, 06:42:07 PM
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Post by: Cobalt Bomb on April 08, 2010, 06:51:35 PM
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You are right about the Reign, but I find the Rapid Fire solid better. I have both and the Reign is a great ball when you can find a dry break point. Carry is tremendous, but still for whatever reason, the Rapid Fire solid is a ball I use much more then the Reign.
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Post by: Nicanor on April 08, 2010, 07:04:20 PM
EFFEN 10,
I tried swinging the Invasion through the oil thinking it would read the break point like the Mutant did drilled extremely close. But no luck. It continued to the 10 pin. Polished I had better luck playing down and it, but its not never as consistant as the Rapid Fire and doesn''t carry near as well.
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Post by: Cobalt Bomb on April 08, 2010, 07:07:46 PM
LMK what the layout is on the new RF and how it works for you.
Joe
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Cobalt Bomb, have you thrown the 2nd Dimension yet?
EFFEN 10,
I tried swinging the Invasion through the oil thinking it would read the break point like the Mutant did drilled extremely close. But no luck. It continued to the 10 pin. Polished I had better luck playing down and it, but its not never as consistant as the Rapid Fire and doesn''t carry near as well.
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Post by: EFFEN 10 on April 08, 2010, 07:12:35 PM
I think you misunderstood was I meant. I mean throw it STRAIGHT down and at 20.
Don' swing it and see how the ball rolls.
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Post by: Nicanor on April 08, 2010, 07:25:28 PM
Thanks,
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Post by: northface28 on April 08, 2010, 11:35:52 PM
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So this morning I bowl a league that has six games. Bowl 3 games move and bowl 3 more, one person team. We get 10 minutes of practice.
I bought my Invasion, Rapid Fire and Mutant as well as the Invasion. On the first pair of lanes I got lined up standing 26 throw the ball 13 out to 10 and was crushing the pocket. The Invasion surface prep was 500-2000-4000 Rough Buff. The Invasion never read the break point. Wask out after wash out (during practice). Rapid Fire turning strong at the break point and carry wsa tremendous.
Moved to the next pair of lanes where I was watching the first set of bowlers playing down and in 10 out to about 8. I got lined up with the Mutant and was crushing the pocket. The Invasion labored to make any move to the pocket.
I think that possibly a bad batch of Invasions got out of Utah because there are way too many good and bad stories.
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Does this not answer your own inquiry? If you are smashing racks with a Rapid Fire and washing out with the Invasion, CLEARLY, there is not enough volume in the heads and/or midlane to get the Invasion to face up properly.
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Post by: northface28 on April 08, 2010, 11:38:42 PM
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Yours, no. I have been busy and have not drilled it yet. Bowling on Viper this weekend, so there is a good chance I will be using Rapid Fire(s) anyway.
LMK what the layout is on the new RF and how it works for you.
Joequote:
Cobalt Bomb, have you thrown the 2nd Dimension yet?
EFFEN 10,
I tried swinging the Invasion through the oil thinking it would read the break point like the Mutant did drilled extremely close. But no luck. It continued to the 10 pin. Polished I had better luck playing down and it, but its not never as consistant as the Rapid Fire and doesn''t carry near as well.
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The Rapid Fire Solid was and still continues to be one hell of a ball.
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Post by: riggs on April 09, 2010, 07:07:42 AM
INVASION vs VG -- different looks (VG is a lot more "rollier") but I would give the INVASION 3-5 more boards of hook with equal surfaces and drillings ON OIL. Said that in my initial review and still see it.
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Post by: Nicanor on April 09, 2010, 09:16:49 AM
Moved right one pair and I had noticed that the bowlers were playing around 10 out to 8. Get two throws on each lane after a move. Threw the Rapid Fire didn't like the reaction. Threw the Mutant and the Mutant was crushing the pocket 10 out to 8. Threw the Invasion and it seemed to labor and not really turn the corner.
I have two and seen a ton on VGs and the Invasion does not come close to handling the oil (depending on the VGs surface prep)or covering more boards. The guy I bowled on the first set said he didn't even bring his Invasion because he can't get it to do anything and he used a sanded/dull VG.
I think Storm took a page out of Lane 1's book with the Buzzbomb and over hyped the Invasion. It might be a great ball, but nobody I bowl with that bought the Invasion is satisied with the ball because it doesn't live up to its expectation. If they didn't over hype the ball, I prpbaly wouldn't be looking for something thats not there.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on April 09, 2010, 09:56:06 AM
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Post by: riggs on April 09, 2010, 10:33:04 AM
"I have two and seen a ton on VGs and the Invasion does not come close to handling the oil (depending on the VGs surface prep)or covering more boards. The guy I bowled on the first set said he didn't even bring his Invasion because he can't get it to do anything and he used a sanded/dull VG."
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on April 09, 2010, 11:06:08 AM
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Post by: EFFEN 10 on April 09, 2010, 07:24:52 PM
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Ok Effen but what will I be looking for? What surface should I put on the ball before I try this tets?
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Basically,to see how it rolls on a HEAVY volume of oil.If it reads the mids pretty well and makes a nice left hand turn once it encounters the dry backend,you'll know is not using up all it's energy.As you stated,when you moved deeper on the lane,the ball would hit the 10 pin,which IMHO,means the ball is DOA by the time it reaches the 40 ft mark,ie, not enough oil on the lane.
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Post by: Rotoguy300 on April 09, 2010, 08:12:23 PM
Post by: snowspike1 on April 09, 2010, 11:15:54 PM
but unless it is winter and the house is beat all cold I can't even throw my VE.
I have been using my freeze and there are about 5 to 7 different guys tryn to use the invasion. mind you these people (or a couple of them) have VG that are polished.
I'm beating them with a "entry level" $90.00 ball.
all some people think about is showing how much they have to spend on balls . cause in this area the invasion is going for no less than 245.00 (unless you are close friends with shop owner).
ever since that joke of a pba event where 90% of the bowlers used this ball I haven't liked the look / reaction on the lane (from anyone's toss pros included)
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Post by: MrPerfect on April 16, 2010, 05:41:42 PM
after having success with this layout on a Reign of Fire, and the ball is amazing. Can't wait to see it on a tighter, long, flat pattern because the room the ball creates is un-real.
Post by: Nicanor on April 16, 2010, 06:57:29 PM
Junior down at Premier Lanes in Chula Vista CA is looking at the ball now. I know your familair with the San Diego area and might know Junior. The weight hole is below my pap. Junor recommended plugging the balance hole which is thin and rather deep and lowering the balance hole and when re-drilling the balance hole, make it larger and shallower. Don't know about the finger holes, the ball is not here.
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