Post by: eltaco on November 10, 2009, 03:25:26 PM
They are now completely stripping the lanes and laying down a med-light pattern... and I simply don't have a ball that's working for me. Unfortunately, my 2nd Dimension is my "weakest" ball, which isn't very weak at all on this pattern. As soon as I hit the dry it takes off. I need something that will be more predictable when it hits the dry, and hopefully give me some area to help my novice inconsistancies.
I'm probably a medium rev stroker player, which is why the 2nd dimension is typically a weaker predicatble ball for me on medium oil or carrydown conditions. I was initially looking towards a Fast, but now that the backends are this dry, I'm positive that would have been a bad move. I'm really considering the Natural, but I don't know what to expect with my medium rev throw. Thoughts, suggestions; all welcome.
Post by: ValentinoBowling on November 10, 2009, 11:41:27 PM
If you want to keep your 2nd dimension I would suggest trying some of our UFO Polish, it causes a delayed reaction to combat dry oil.
If you want to go with a new ball....Give the Ebonite Tornado or a Storm Tropical a try, those are very well rounded (pun intended) light/medium shot balls.
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Post by: eltaco on November 10, 2009, 11:46:54 PM
I thought
More polish = longer roll, snappier backend
Less polish = earlier roll, more overall hook
I assumed I'd want to stay away from more polish and go towards an abralon if anything... perhaps I'm mistaken?
Post by: flybub on November 11, 2009, 06:49:54 AM
Post by: n00dlejester on November 11, 2009, 09:36:29 AM
If that doesn't work, try upping the grit level underneath. Take a 2000 or 4000 Abralon pad, then polish it. The smoother underlying grit level will get the ball further down lane before making a move. It wont necessarily be snappier, just longer. I know that's a weird thought lol.
In my experiences, I use 4000 Abralon with Ebonite Magic Shine polish on bowling balls I use for drier lanes. The polish is mild, and really helps the ball conserve energy but still be able to turn and carry corners.
Hope this helps!
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Post by: supernoodle on November 11, 2009, 10:26:57 AM
In terms of handling some oil I think it is ok as long as there is some kind of back end, however I have seen people using one that has some surface (mine is polished) and it seems to be able to handle a decent volume of the slick stuff, though obviously not as well as some of the latest oil monsters.
For versatility it is definitely a 10/10 ball.
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Post by: Joe Jr on November 11, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
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Post by: eltaco on November 12, 2009, 09:03:10 AM
I went with your advice and did 4000 abralon and polish before league last night... HUGE difference. I went with my Power Bolt to start things off, expecting to switch to my newly polished 2nd dimension in the 2nd game. After throwing a great (for me) first game of 202, I made the mistake of not switching to the 2nd dimension in time. Thankfully I ended the second game with my 2nd dimension for a sloppy 158. This is where I typically struggle, because the lanes are dry and squirly by the third game. I came back with the 2nd dimension for a 201 finish.
Thanks for the help, guys. I seem to learn valuable lessons every week. This week: surface finishing and not to be afraid of a ball change in the middle of a bad game.
Post by: flybub on November 12, 2009, 09:08:55 AM
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n00dlejester,
I went with your advice and did 4000 abralon and polish before league last night... HUGE difference. I went with my Power Bolt to start things off, expecting to switch to my newly polished 2nd dimension in the 2nd game. After throwing a great (for me) first game of 202, I made the mistake of not switching to the 2nd dimension in time. Thankfully I ended the second game with my 2nd dimension for a sloppy 158. This is where I typically struggle, because the lanes are dry and squirly by the third game. I came back with the 2nd dimension for a 201 finish.
Thanks for the help, guys. I seem to learn valuable lessons every week. This week: surface finishing and not to be afraid of a ball change in the middle of a bad game.
Experience and Versatility are your best weapons. The experience you gain when you experiment with the same ball is invaluable. I would rather have 4 different releases and 2 balls rather than 1 release and a ball for every condition I come across. The grip that I have on my Rogue is absolutely perfect and because I'm comfortable with that grip I can change the surface and my hand position and play different lines or conditions which is much better than guessing which ball to throw.
Glad to hear everything worked out for you.
Post by: eltaco on November 12, 2009, 10:20:12 AM
At this point, I would rather get my release perfected (or close to it) before introducing attempts at new hand and release positions.
The flip side of the coin is this: One ball can be very versatile for a range of conditions. Using the same release and altering the line can prove very functional. At this point, I'm more comfortable moving my line than altering my release. I'd like to get strong in all of these areas, but I need to work up to it from my current skill level.
Post by: CHawk15 on November 12, 2009, 01:26:34 PM
If the reactive balls are flying off the spot as you describe, using a Natural shouldn't be any problem for you. If I were you, I'd try a Mars first.
Post by: tc300 on November 12, 2009, 02:38:28 PM
Post by: ecc0_9879 on November 12, 2009, 02:48:56 PM
Post by: charlest on November 12, 2009, 05:56:56 PM
quote:
Forgive my lack of understanding I really haven't played with surface prep a lot.
I thought
More polish = longer roll, snappier backend
Less polish = earlier roll, more overall hook
I assumed I'd want to stay away from more polish and go towards an abralon if anything... perhaps I'm mistaken?
With normal polishes, yes, you are mostly right.
Also, aas noodlesjester has suggested, the forst response should be to sand your surface finer than the stock surface, then add/apply normal polish.
The surface on the 2nd Dim is 1500 grit US. Abralon is FEPA graded. 1500 grit US = 3000 grit FEPA = P3000 grit. P4000 grit Abralon (= 4000 grit FEPA) is slightly finer than the stock P3000 grit (3000 grit FEPA).
But UFO is one of those special polishes that reduces the overall hook AND reduces the backend while increasing length. So adding UFO will reduce the hook even more than P4000 grit and you can square up even more.
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Post by: n00dlejester on November 12, 2009, 06:17:29 PM
quote:
n00dlejester,
I went with your advice and did 4000 abralon and polish before league last night... HUGE difference. I went with my Power Bolt to start things off, expecting to switch to my newly polished 2nd dimension in the 2nd game. After throwing a great (for me) first game of 202, I made the mistake of not switching to the 2nd dimension in time. Thankfully I ended the second game with my 2nd dimension for a sloppy 158. This is where I typically struggle, because the lanes are dry and squirly by the third game. I came back with the 2nd dimension for a 201 finish.
Thanks for the help, guys. I seem to learn valuable lessons every week. This week: surface finishing and not to be afraid of a ball change in the middle of a bad game.
Hey eltaco,
Very nice bounce back! And glad to hear we were able to help.
I agree about the release thing. I myself worked for a long time to get good one release. I literally just started working on a second release maybe a month ago. Get smooth with one release, get it to second nature, then move on.
I hope you keep working hard and kick more azz
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Post by: tdub36tjt on November 12, 2009, 07:56:16 PM
quote:quote:
n00dlejester,
I went with your advice and did 4000 abralon and polish before league last night... HUGE difference. I went with my Power Bolt to start things off, expecting to switch to my newly polished 2nd dimension in the 2nd game. After throwing a great (for me) first game of 202, I made the mistake of not switching to the 2nd dimension in time. Thankfully I ended the second game with my 2nd dimension for a sloppy 158. This is where I typically struggle, because the lanes are dry and squirly by the third game. I came back with the 2nd dimension for a 201 finish.
Thanks for the help, guys. I seem to learn valuable lessons every week. This week: surface finishing and not to be afraid of a ball change in the middle of a bad game.
Hey eltaco,
Very nice bounce back! And glad to hear we were able to help.
I agree about the release thing. I myself worked for a long time to get good one release. I literally just started working on a second release maybe a month ago. Get smooth with one release, get it to second nature, then move on.
I hope you keep working hard and kick more azz
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Obviously, you aren't a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
Post by: n00dlejester on November 12, 2009, 08:31:45 PM
That is something I should look into. I knew about the tucked pinky helping axis rotation, but not the moved pinky position. I will try that next time I shoot and need some earlier roll. Great information, I appreciate you sharing that.
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Post by: eltaco on November 13, 2009, 05:52:57 AM
This site is a wealth of knowledge. I'm a relatively experienced bowler, but reading forums really shows a guy how little he actually knows. It absolutely AMAZES me how many people know diddly about surfacing, drilling, etc. I know of a lot of great bowlers who neglect to learn this information, but I really believe it adds that extra 10% at the end of the day.
Post by: icewall on November 13, 2009, 07:47:38 AM
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The surface on the 2nd Dim is 1500 grit US. Abralon is FEPA graded. 1500 grit US = 3000 grit FEPA = P3000 grit. P4000 grit Abralon (= 4000 grit FEPA) is slightly finer than the stock P3000 grit (3000 grit FEPA).
this is one time that i disagree with you charlest. I have emailed storm a while ago and they have assured me that their stock 1500 grit polish is rated on the P/FEPA scale.
and this makes sense as i resurface all of my friends polished storms balls by sanding with a grey scotchbrite pad (800 us / ~1600 grit P/FEPA) and then use a non abrasive polish.
this also makes more sense to me as 1000 abralon plus polish hooks earlier then storms stock polished surface and 2000 abralon plus polish pushes the ball further then storms stock polished surface.
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Post by: n00dlejester on November 13, 2009, 11:02:38 AM
quote:quote:
The surface on the 2nd Dim is 1500 grit US. Abralon is FEPA graded. 1500 grit US = 3000 grit FEPA = P3000 grit. P4000 grit Abralon (= 4000 grit FEPA) is slightly finer than the stock P3000 grit (3000 grit FEPA).
this is one time that i disagree with you charlest. I have emailed storm a while ago and they have assured me that their stock 1500 grit polish is rated on the P/FEPA scale.
and this makes sense as i resurface all of my friends polished storms balls by sanding with a grey scotchbrite pad (800 us / ~1600 grit P/FEPA) and then use a non abrasive polish.
this also makes more sense to me as 1000 abralon plus polish hooks earlier then storms stock polished surface and 2000 abralon plus polish pushes the ball further then storms stock polished surface.
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tournament average: 219
tweener
medium revs
medium speed
currently throwing
rotogrip rogue cell
lanemasters black pearl
storm t-road pearl
visionary ogre ss, gladiator solid
Edited on 11/13/2009 8:50 AM
Edited on 11/13/2009 8:52 AM
I don't know what's what as far as the grits go, but I do know that 2000 Abralon + Polish goes a bit longer than Storm's out-of-box surfaces. It could be the type/amount of polish I use, but that's what I've gotten from my experiences. I do know that 4000 Abralon + Polish really tames the reaction down
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Post by: J_w73 on November 13, 2009, 11:16:03 AM
urethane could work as well as it will be more of an even smooth hooking ball throughout the dry..
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