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Title: Finger Weight
Post by: xxxxxxxxxxxx MR300 on April 20, 2009, 06:54:02 AM
I have my Gravity Shift Drilled with the pin 4 inches up from center of bridge. With the cg in center of grip. I had trouble getting the thing to turn over. So what I did is I asked my ball driller to put a weight hole low to give some side weight. He said if he did that it would not hook anymore. So i got the bright idea to put a few quarters in the finger holes. They fit perfect in the 31/32 finger tip hole. Then i took some super glue and glued around it. So they wouldent jingle. Adn i put the tips back in and went and bowled. That ball has never snapped so hard in its life. So i asked if it was leagle and he didnt know. Do any of you know.  And if it is legal try it because it works great.   Thanks
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: triggerman on April 20, 2009, 02:59:16 PM
    illegal as can be
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: raiderh20boy on April 20, 2009, 03:00:12 PM
    ILLEGAL!!!
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: xxxxxxxxxxxx MR300 on April 20, 2009, 03:01:04 PM
    Darn cuz it works so good and when he weighed it it was still good

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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: xxxxxxxxxxxx MR300 on April 20, 2009, 03:02:02 PM
    Darn cuz it works so good and when he weighed it it was still good

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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: gojr1815 on April 20, 2009, 03:03:06 PM
    Don't let any one catch you because I am sure the right person could get your sanction card. Why try something that your proshop operator should know was illegal.
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: taylorj99 on April 20, 2009, 03:07:40 PM
    See Chapter 7. Rule 84b3.
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: al_g on April 20, 2009, 03:08:22 PM
    Even if the weights are within USBC legal limits you've altered it and changed the weight of the ball per the last sentence below.

    From the USBC Rulebook:
    Section 2. Drilling Specifications
     

    a.   Holes - The following limitations govern drilling holes in a bowling ball:

    1.   Holes or indentations, not to exceed five, for gripping purposes.

    2.   One hole for balance purposes, not to exceed 1-1/4 inch in diameter.

    3.   One (1) vent hole to each finger and/or thumb hole, not to exceed 1/4 inch in diameter.

    4.   One mill hole for inspection purposes, not to exceed 5/8 inch in diameter and 1/8 inch in depth.

    b.   Balance - The following tolerances are allowed in the balance of the ball:

    1.   For a ball weighing 10.01 pounds or more:

    a)  Not more than three ounces difference between the top of ball (finger hole side) and the bottom (solid side opposite finger holes).

    b)  Not more than one ounce difference between the sides to the right and left of the finger holes or between the sides in front and back of the finger holes.

    2.   For a ball weighing 8.0 pounds to 10.0 pounds:

    a)  Not more than two ounces difference between the top of the ball and the bottom.

    b)  Not more than 3/4 ounce difference between the sides to the right and left or between the front and back of the finger holes.

    3.   For a ball weighing less than 8.0 pounds:

    a)  Not more than 3/4 ounce difference between the top of the ball and the bottom.

    b)  Not more than 3/4 ounce difference between the sides to the right and left or between the front and back of the finger holes.


    Altering a ball in any way, to increase its weight or cause it to be out of balance beyond the tolerances, is prohibited.
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: sluggo35 on April 20, 2009, 03:10:01 PM
    wow thought you were talking about a well hung lezbo
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: triggerman on April 20, 2009, 03:12:26 PM
    obviously he took the fingers too deep or you are trolling for a static weight fight lol  if you were able to add weight and then make it come alive, he should be able to put a hole in the thumb quad and get you where you need to be
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: actsbowler21 on April 20, 2009, 03:30:51 PM
    if your pro shop / ball driller doesn't know that you can't put anything in the ball to alter the reaction, you need to consider not doing business with them any longer..And another piece of advice is if you are bowling in a league with this ball, probably not a good idea to be talking about it in a public forum...someone can report you and you can have your card pulled and suspended..
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: Kid Jete on April 20, 2009, 03:34:06 PM
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    obviously he took the fingers too deep or you are trolling for a static weight fight lol  if you were able to add weight and then make it come alive, he should be able to put a hole in the thumb quad and get you where you need to be
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    He's not "trolling".  He's only 13 I remember him from the videos he posted a while back.  He seems like a good kid just looking for the right answer to his question, that's all.
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: greenefam on April 20, 2009, 03:34:34 PM
    You can legally accomplish what you did with the finger holes.

    1. Have you driller plug the fingers.
    2. Have him re drill the fingers just barely (deep enough for you to fit comfortably)

    All of this is contingent on no more than 1 oz of finger weight (top or bottom) -
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    b) Not more than one ounce difference between the sides to the right and left of the finger holes or between the sides in front and back of the finger holes.


    I have altered finger weight in the past by plugging and redrilling at different depths.  I only recommend this if there is already a balance hole and you want to slightly change the dynamics with finger weight.

    Edited on 4/20/2009 3:35 PM
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: xxxxxxxxxxxx MR300 on April 20, 2009, 06:30:11 PM
    I Got them  Drilled out. And the ball plugged. im getting it redrilled pin down so it picks up.
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: SpareK on April 20, 2009, 06:51:23 PM
    Sluggo, loved your lezbo comment,almost brought me to tears...........lol
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: TheDude on April 20, 2009, 10:09:26 PM
    metal for one thing isnt allowed. although your not the first person i have seen try to pull something like that.
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: legend4life95 on April 21, 2009, 06:39:20 AM
    You didn't have to plug the fingers fully and redrill. You could have just poured some plug into the holes and filled to where your finger stops in the grips. That way you don't have to refinish and redrill. Alot less work.
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: Locke on April 21, 2009, 07:02:00 AM
    If its within legal limits you should be able to get the ball close to that by taking weight out of the thumb hole. I have found that I am more accurate and get a higher rev rate with as close to 1oz finger weight as I can get. So its all up to drilling.
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: Filip_SWE on April 21, 2009, 12:41:12 PM
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    metal for one thing isnt allowed.


    I'm pretty sure that some of the Storm cores contain some type of metal...
    That can't be legal, right?
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: J_Mac on April 21, 2009, 01:17:16 PM
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    metal for one thing isnt allowed.


    I'm pretty sure that some of the Storm cores contain some type of metal...
    That can't be legal, right?


    Metal isn't allowed.  If there was metal in one of their balls do you think it would ever get past the USBC approval stages?

    Don't let the material labeled as FE2 confuse you.  It's just a dense compound that is used for core construction.  

    If I remember correctly the rule was modified to rule out non-metallic materials that were actually denser than metal.
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: Filip_SWE on April 21, 2009, 04:12:21 PM
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    metal for one thing isnt allowed.


    I'm pretty sure that some of the Storm cores contain some type of metal...
    That can't be legal, right?


    Metal isn't allowed.  If there was metal in one of their balls do you think it would ever get past the USBC approval stages?

    Don't let the material labeled as FE2 confuse you.  It's just a dense compound that is used for core construction.  

    If I remember correctly the rule was modified to rule out non-metallic materials that were actually denser than metal.


    How come some of the drilling residue sticks on a magnet then???
    My pro shop guy has tried this with a couple of storm balls and it sticks to the magnet...
    And i'm pretty sure there's nothing else than metal that is magnetic
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: J_Mac on April 21, 2009, 04:21:19 PM
    quote:

    And i'm pretty sure there's nothing else than metal that is magnetic


    What about those flexible refrigerator magnets that you get from the local pizzeria?


    Frogs are even magnetic, you just need a REALLY strong magnet to get them to levitate.


    The point is, it is completely illegal to place quarters under you inserts to add finger weight.
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: xxxxxxxxxxxx MR300 on April 21, 2009, 04:23:04 PM
    well since the quarters are illegal and the ball didnt rool the way i wanted it to i just got everything plugged fingers thumb and all. And im getting it drilled different

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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: xxxxxxxxxxxx MR300 on April 21, 2009, 06:59:15 PM
    Getting it drilled tomorrow anyone got any drilling suggestions
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: EboHammer on April 21, 2009, 10:55:26 PM
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    metal for one thing isnt allowed.


    I'm pretty sure that some of the Storm cores contain some type of metal...
    That can't be legal, right?


    Metal isn't allowed.  If there was metal in one of their balls do you think it would ever get past the USBC approval stages?

    Don't let the material labeled as FE2 confuse you.  It's just a dense compound that is used for core construction.  

    If I remember correctly the rule was modified to rule out non-metallic materials that were actually denser than metal.


    How come some of the drilling residue sticks on a magnet then???
    My pro shop guy has tried this with a couple of storm balls and it sticks to the magnet...
    And i'm pretty sure there's nothing else than metal that is magnetic


    I once had the light bulb on my drill press go out when drilling a storm ball.  As the bulb went out I swear I seen sparks coming out of the hole around the drill bit.  I turned out the lights except for one on the other side of the room (just enough light to see what I was doing since the hole was already started and didn't need to see the line I was drilling).  I promise you this, the drill bit and ball material sparked.  I don't think anything sparks unless it is metallic.  Am I wrong?  The core sounded crunchy as the drill bit went into it also.
    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on April 21, 2009, 11:11:44 PM
    If the material is very dense, when you drill through it, the resulting heat a friction could cause small pieces to super heat which makes them appear to spark...
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: themagician on April 22, 2009, 06:44:25 AM
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    If the material is very dense, when you drill through it, the resulting heat a friction could cause small pieces to super heat which makes them appear to spark...
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    That is true but in some storm balls (Dimensions are the ones I think of first) actually do have some metal in their cores and will spark a little bit when they are drilled.
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    Title: Re: Finger Weight
    Post by: Balldoctor on April 22, 2009, 09:14:30 AM
    A small % of metal has been allowed for a few years now.
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