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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: jfvstorm5 on January 07, 2013, 12:44:12 AM
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anyone else see it get insanely oily fast? and almost reacts like a pearl urethane cover?
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anyone else see it get insanely oily fast? and almost reacts like a pearl urethane cover?
Local shop has noticed that some new equipment, Storm included, gets a "slimy" feel to it after a few frames right out of the box. He'll commonly use a light scuff of a gold scotchbrite pad to break the surface of a ball that he considers to be over polished.
He will also use a heavy duty cleaner to try to remove whatever is on the surface of the ball that seems to repel the lane conditioners. We think it is something used in the finishing process to improve shelf appeal rather than performance.
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Yes I have noticed this with the Fire Road in particular. I have drilled a couple that never really hooked at all. There is no way those balls were the same R2X Pearl that was on the Marvel Pearl. I took one of them back and refunded the customer's $$ towards a different ball.
Really disappointed with that ball right now....probably just going to sell the last one I have in stock on ebay to get rid of it.
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i throw it one shot with the surface freshly cleanned and dry and it hooks the entire lane and from anywhere, after two more shots it gets all greasy and oily and never moves.. i was literally able to move my line from 35-7 out to 12-6 just after a couple shots. the mechanic came up to me and told me i should wipe my ball off every shot because its getting stuck in the back and just keeps spinning and wont get picked up by the belt. it really reminds me of the reaction i would have gotten from a natural pearl if it were to be modified to be in the thunder line. out of the box the ball wasnt that tacky either. never seen this before on a ball and i work in a shot and see the textures and feels of just about every new release.
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Not liking to hear this right now......I just drilled one for a customer.
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Its definitely one of those love hate balls. To me the r2x is a really strong cover, i could see it transitioning too fast on some conditions and being better on sport....
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Its definitely one of those love hate balls. To me the r2x is a really strong cover, i could see it transitioning too fast on some conditions and being better on sport....
The issue is that this isn't the same R2X that was on the Marvel Pearl. There is no way that a core tweak can make 15-18 BOARDS of difference downlane on a symmetrical. This ball rolls like strong urethane after a couple of games.
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exactly, strong urethane.. but what could they have possibly done to do that to the r2x cover? its like it has a built in simple green film on it... which is very strange because i absolutely love storm and thats all i throw. mainly because i get soo much reaction and longetivity out of their covers.. would like to get to the bottom of this one.. because i loved the prodigy and 2D and their cover was r2x with their special ETM(enhanced traction mica) and that ball never got a bit oily.. i have had 3 prodigys and the most recent one has atleast 300 games on it.
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The only cover I've ever experienced anything like you're saying was the cover from the bank roll and train. It was huge in fresh then like 5 frames later wouldn't get back going straight up 5..... Never really figured it out and the only answer i ever got was maintenance issue which i don't think was the problem....but it was the same both balls with that cover....
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okay.. well i know for a 100% fact it has nothing to do with not keeping up with mantainence. in total it has about 6 games on it, and after three shots its insanely oily where nothing else does and it has nothing to do with the lanes. i drilled a couple for a few friends and i saw the same thing but didnt realize how bad until i drilled one myself.
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Sounds exactly like urethane. Any Storm staffers aware of any coverstock issues, like a bad batch perhaps?
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yup.. hoping someone from storm mentions something.. or a staffer has the same issue.. i know there have been bad batches of balls, but for how long of a period of time?
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My mate just got a fire road 2 weeks ago and it makes so move at all. His freeze even outhooks it on oil and I am not confusing hook with backend. It literally goes 60 feet. I may buy one just to use as a "urethane pearl" for when the lanes get bone dry.
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it revs up soon and fast, and just about holds the line with very little skid out, but holds
the line dead straight. flares fine, nothing with the core, something about the coverstock id hope to have an answer about and everyone else here
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Is this on the OOB finish or after the polish has been scuffed? Sounds like Storm finished with too much polish on a couple of batches. One of my teammates has the Fire Road and it hooks a ton without getting slimy like y'all make it sound.
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Is this on the OOB finish or after the polish has been scuffed? Sounds like Storm finished with too much polish on a couple of batches. One of my teammates has the Fire Road and it hooks a ton without getting slimy like y'all make it sound.
I pointed my friend to this discussion as he hasn't mentioned his FR in weeks. He gave up on it. Polished both his and his wife's hardly moved. He gave his to his 22/23 year old son; we'll see how he does with it.
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didnt break the cover of mine yet, but did to two friends of mine and didnt see much of a difference.
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Clean it with acetone... What have you got to lose?
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I drilled my fire road pin above fingers with cg stacked on grip line. The ball is really too clean for use on fresh. Ball rolls better for me when lanes are broken down. I've had this ball for a while but unsure if I want to hand scuff cover with 4000. Undecided where this ball needs to fit in my arsenal.
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i will try acetone later tonight after i close. i usually only have to use acetone if the ball has belt marks and scuffs on it. usually tac-up ball cleaner works like a charm, but will definitely try that and a light 3000 by hand and see how they both work out.
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tried some acetone, same thing just took a tad bit of shine off but same result.. doesnt seem like an issue of coverstock finish.. just how it was actually made.
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My out of box experience was that the FR was a little squirty for my style of play. Now this is not new to me as I tend to have to take factory shined balls and take them down to get the shine off and then bring them back up. I just like to know that I can replicate a surface if it rolls well for my game. I always try to see what the factory finish or shine rolls like first then make the changes. This is more for reference for customers or fellow "Storm and Roto heads". :)
I had some sort of film on mine also when I drilled it and threw it the first few times. I remembered my experience sometimes with factory reacta-shine balls and immediately hit it with a 4000 pad with a little "lean" on it. Totally different ball reaction. The squirtiness went away and the ball picked up consistantly at the spot.
If I recall most ball companies put a factory finish on a release because their testing indicates where they want to try and place a ball in their line-up. Most of the ball buying public does not educate themselves on sites like this to learn they are allowed to experiment with finish and surface. Try some different surfaces, take it back down to 500 and bring it back up. See if that changes things.
I know from personal experience, it has changed my perspective on a ball immediately and kept me from shelving a potential must have ball.
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I do what big mike does...if you dont like it change the surface...its not like any of us mere mortals can replicate storm oob surface...i keep fishing til i get a bite! Keep trying til you get the right surface..
Can u post a pic of what u see on your FR?
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i will try to get a picture up tomorrow or wednesday night, and i have changed the surface. i took it down to 3000 with a new pad and left it at that and i got the same result, just not as fast. the cover seems to just not be able to handle oil. if i throw more than a certain number of shots in a given time frame, the surface stays oily and has a film on it, and doesnt come off when cleaning it, but goes away over night. but while bowling, it can only handle x amount if shots until it stops moving
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Seems very strange. That is a tried and true cover from Storm. I would contact them directly as they suggested and see what they recommend. Years ago they clued me in to how they get their factory covers to the OOB surface before it was as widely advertised as it is now.
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Have seen similar problems with the Fire Road...
IMO the ball was to highly sanded...
Knocked the cover back to 2000 pad...then applied the polish...
Also put a weight hole at 45 degrees from the center of grip even with the top
of the thumb hole...a 1" bit about 1" deep...{ if a weight hole was not already in
ball }
Problem seems to be solved...