Post by: Neptune66 on July 21, 2009, 10:50:18 PM
Just does not match up well with my skill set. It is SOoooo sensitive to the slightest changes in hand position or speed, that if I even BREATHE wrong, it affects my shot. Yeah... bowler error... I understand that. But don;t have this issue with any other ball in my arsenal.
Old balls, newer balls, strong, weak, skid flip, arcing.... Doesn't matter. Only the virtual is so sensitive that it is driving me nutz. True... if I had a more consistent release, then this would not be quite the problem. But usually a new ball will highlight your strengths and mask some of you weaknesses ---at least for awhile. This one? Two drills and many many games later... we just don;t get along.
But no one will ever want it or be willing to pay me even 1/2 of what I spent on it (plus the 2nd drilling), so I am still trying to MAKE it work for me. It has cost me countless sums of money in pot games and blown league games. Giving it away or just putting it down will probably be a wise financial move. But I just can;t give up ----YET !!!!
I HATE THIS BALL !!!!!!!!
(Leaving for work and won;t be able to reply for long time. Just venting, but interested in any and all comments----even those that tell me I screwed up.)
Post by: leftyinsnellville on July 22, 2009, 07:02:45 AM
If the ball doesn't work for you, don't waste your time with it. I'll do you the favor of paying you $5 for it plus shipping so you won't be tempted throw it anymore.
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Post by: oldlefty300 on July 22, 2009, 07:10:34 AM
Post by: Neptune66 on July 22, 2009, 07:26:09 AM
Yes. I have tried polishing it, going down to 800 or 600 grit, removing all the polish, and recently putting it back on. Original drilling was to go long and emphasize skid-flip or maximum backend. Then plugged and redrilled (after experiencing much over/under) for an earlier roll and more of an arcing move.
But the reason I had to reply, is I am not criticizing the ball's reaction. I dont hate EVERYTHING about it. For instance, it is very versatile in that I can use it on heavy oil as well as dried up lanes. It is very adjustable by hand position. That's the good AND the bad, though. It's adjustable by making minor changes in delivery (hand position, speed, height, amount of loft, etc.) on purpose. But it ALSO reacts to any unconcious or unintentional variation in my delivery. It does what I tell it to do, instead of what I INTENDED it to do.
Not a good match for someone who is a decent bowler, but admittedly not textbook style, and not able to duplicate each shot as a carbon copy of the last ---even when I am on fire and stringing several strikes together. This ball takes my inconsistencies and magnifies them.
It's giving me a TRUE reflection of what I am doing ...right or wrong... and I HATE it for that !!!!
It's probably a great ball to warm up with, and then I should bag it and use something else. ANYTHING else. But that's like demoting your million dollar free agent to bench coach ---or something like that.
Post by: bear300x on July 22, 2009, 10:26:48 AM
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Post by: stopncrank on July 22, 2009, 12:28:47 PM
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Post by: bear300x on July 22, 2009, 01:39:15 PM
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2009, 04:59:15 PM
I don't own a VG. My teammate does. He has his dulled to about 800 sheen. our spans are the same, so I can throw his. He tries to throw his on pretty much every type of condition. THIS BALL LOVES OIL! It does not work on every type of condtion.
When I see it get real angular, to me....that means 10 pin city, and time to put it up!
I can actually throw his VG better than he can because I can change releases. I love the hit that this ball gives. And when you throw it on it's intended condition, it is a beast!
But it is much better on med-hvy and heavy oil! Just my .02
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on July 22, 2009, 05:16:49 PM
Sounds like this ball would be a good training aid for you, kinda like bowling on a sport pattern, it would give you instant feedback on your game. Just use it in practice to try to build a more consistent game - release, speed, whatever. Maybe it can pay for itself that way if it doesn't perform better for you on heavier oil like stopncrank suggested.
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Post by: ccrider on July 22, 2009, 05:48:06 PM
You should be able to get any ball to the pocket. Whether it carries or not is a different question. The VG needs oil, up front and in the mids, to show its full potential. Drilling, surface, hand position, ball speed, all play a part in what happens at the end of the pin deck. If you are not getting to the pocket, or carrying with the ball, it is your fault. Not the balls.
Use the VG on its intended conditions, get it to the pocket, and you will see better than average results.
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Post by: SVstar34 on July 22, 2009, 06:01:32 PM
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Post by: mogators on July 22, 2009, 06:28:35 PM
Sidenote, the VG is the first ball I ever drilled with this layout so it is very possible the layout is just not good for me.
Post by: Neptune66 on July 22, 2009, 10:57:49 PM
I too am a speed dominant (or rev challenged) player, and no one will EVER accuse me of being a cranker. But with much of the rest of my arsenal, it isn't quite so obvious. When using the VG, I constantly get kidded about how the ball might have turned over once or twice before reaching the pins.
Don't get me wrong... Not only do I not mind being teased about the lack of revs, I actually enjoy the attention and laughter that goes with it. But the problem is... I am throwing the VG with the same speed and release as my other 20 or so balls, and the VG elicits the greatest number of those comments.
Maybe it's cause everyone else who throws this ball, DOES get it to rev up. But this ball was supposed to help the rev challenged bowler add some (revs). It wasn't supposed to make it even tougher for them to put some revs on it.
Post by: tommymo on July 23, 2009, 07:03:17 AM
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Post by: ccrider on August 18, 2009, 04:18:32 PM
I really don't think that the VG OOB shines, or was intended for use for most bowlers on a THS.
I have taken my VG to 2000 and polished it and it is as good as any on our house shot. At 4000 (OOB), it is useless-- 7, 8, 10s all night.
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Post by: Jesse James on August 18, 2009, 05:04:32 PM
Simplify.
In other words, simplify your release. Stick to one release and one release only for this ball, and then make all your lane adjustments based off that one release that you use.
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Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on August 18, 2009, 11:22:56 PM