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flybub

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Ball to start on fresh THS
« on: October 21, 2014, 06:25:15 AM »
Hey everyone.  In need of a little help.  I need a ball I can start on our house shot with which is 41' 22mL, Brunswick Anvilane.  Pro shop manager recommended a HyRoad Solid and drilled pin above, CG kicked out with a hole 1" below my axis.  Ball was terrible, had no continuation on the backend.  So he polished it and I think it was even worse.  He apologized and said to an effect 'that could be the worst storm ball I've ever seen'.  Haha.  So anyway, he said he would get me something else and give me a discount.  I have an Uproar that I love for when I need to ball down but I need something for the fresh.  17mph at the pins, I couldn't tell you my rev rate but I would call it a tweener.  I tend to get up the back more than around it, axis is 5 over 3/4 up, righty.  Driller told me to do some homework and see if there is anything that catches my eye.  I looked at both Sinister and Crux but I'm afraid it might be too strong??  IQ Solid, Hysteria with the polish knocked off, any other suggestions.  I've seen 3 Asylums and they did not impress me at this house.  Which is not good because that was the ball I had in mind.  We do have friction burn on the outsides.  Thanks for any help.

 

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Re: Ball to start on fresh THS
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2014, 07:33:30 AM »
The asylum was very early and still needed a good bit of oil upfront. I traded mine and replaced with hysteria. Throwing at 4000 and it's a beast on fresh ths.
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Re: Ball to start on fresh THS
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2014, 08:03:47 AM »
The asylum was very early and still needed a good bit of oil upfront. I traded mine and replaced with hysteria. Throwing at 4000 and it's a beast on fresh ths.

That would have been my suggestion, Hysteria at 4000 on this medium, not the highest volume ever, THS.  Start with it at 4000 and adjust surface as needed.
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Re: Ball to start on fresh THS
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2014, 08:06:48 AM »
What about a Rumble or better yet, Outcry.  It seems because of your up the back release, the HyRoad Solid might have rolled out, especially with a high pin where the hook phase is relatively short compared to a lower pin.

I would consider an Outcry with a lower pin than what you had in the HyRoad Solid and adjust the cover to fine tune the amount of skid you get.  I would also position the CG in a location that will allow a weight hole in the future in case the reaction needs additional tuning.  Just wait till you throw the ball some before deciding where to put the hole.

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Re: Ball to start on fresh THS
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2014, 08:52:26 AM »
What about a Rumble or better yet, Outcry.  It seems because of your up the back release, the HyRoad Solid might have rolled out, especially with a high pin where the hook phase is relatively short compared to a lower pin.

I would consider an Outcry with a lower pin than what you had in the HyRoad Solid and adjust the cover to fine tune the amount of skid you get.  I would also position the CG in a location that will allow a weight hole in the future in case the reaction needs additional tuning.  Just wait till you throw the ball some before deciding where to put the hole.

Interesting thought on the Outcry.  I've seen one outcry but it was almost rico with a low hole but way to early for me with my release.  It didn't look like it stored very well but I don't know the guy throwing it or what it was being thrown on. 

Is the cover strong enough with a pin up drilling?  Strong drillings have always scared me a bit but my driller said the HyRoad would be fine, whoops.

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Re: Ball to start on fresh THS
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2014, 09:25:00 AM »
Remember pin down doesn't equate to earlier roll. It equates to longer hook phase or smoother reaction. Did they measure your tilt?

As far as Hyroad solid, from what I have seen looks like to string of a cover for that core.
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Re: Ball to start on fresh THS
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2014, 09:41:16 AM »
First of all I just threw a HyRoad Solid in a Demo and loved it on a little bit of AuJus!  Great shape lots of strikes for me and everyone.  Pin above and both shiny and dull!

However if you have given up...
I have a Tropical Heat Hybrid black purple, similar to this baby in the video link here.  I love the shape with my current drilling on it!  Pin above ring 4 7/7 and cg out a light tad!

Wipe OUt....for a wet dry it looks nice!  It's punch out buddy looks sweet too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrjyYpB4E_8

I had a few comments re the First Wipeouts I had seen In videos as it turned out they were weakly drilled solids and looked DOA.  The ones I have seen in real life polished and drilled appropriately for their lower flare core(just a tad stronger) have looked nice!

If it were me I would not give up on the HyRoad.

If this is yours on the web.  From what I saw this type of drilling would be too strong for most league conditions!  For most bowlers I know!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Storm-hyroad-solid-Bowling-Ball-used-15-LB-Huge-Backend-Hook-/331352528578?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

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Re: Ball to start on fresh THS
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2014, 10:01:35 AM »
Remember pin down doesn't equate to earlier roll. It equates to longer hook phase or smoother reaction. Did they measure your tilt?

As far as Hyroad solid, from what I have seen looks like to string of a cover for that core.
Remember pin down doesn't equate to earlier roll. It equates to longer hook phase or smoother reaction. Did they measure your tilt?

As far as Hyroad solid, from what I have seen looks like to string of a cover for that core.

Did not measure axis tilt.  Need to have it done though.  I've tended to stay away from pin down drillings because I thump the thumb hole the first 2 rings or so. 

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Re: Ball to start on fresh THS
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2014, 10:50:20 AM »
If you cant go pin down, maybe put the pin next to or in the ring finger.  This layout on a 4000 Hysteria sounds really good for a fresh house shot to me.  Should be strong, but smooth .
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Re: Ball to start on fresh THS
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2014, 11:25:06 AM »
Mine is a 4 inch pin to pap. Pin down(65 val) with cig kicked out and a P3. It's strong  but very predictable.
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Re: Ball to start on fresh THS
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2014, 10:05:15 PM »
Hey everyone.  In need of a little help.  I need a ball I can start on our house shot with which is 41' 22mL, Brunswick Anvilane.  Pro shop manager recommended a HyRoad Solid and drilled pin above, CG kicked out with a hole 1" below my axis.  Ball was terrible, had no continuation on the backend.  So he polished it and I think it was even worse.  He apologized and said to an effect 'that could be the worst storm ball I've ever seen'.  Haha.  So anyway, he said he would get me something else and give me a discount.  I have an Uproar that I love for when I need to ball down but I need something for the fresh.  17mph at the pins, I couldn't tell you my rev rate but I would call it a tweener.  I tend to get up the back more than around it, axis is 5 over 3/4 up, righty.  Driller told me to do some homework and see if there is anything that catches my eye.  I looked at both Sinister and Crux but I'm afraid it might be too strong??  IQ Solid, Hysteria with the polish knocked off, any other suggestions.  I've seen 3 Asylums and they did not impress me at this house.  Which is not good because that was the ball I had in mind.  We do have friction burn on the outsides.  Thanks for any help.

I think the issue with your Hyroad Solid is that weight hole.  Ball is already .046 diff out of the box.  With your up the back release and a layout with a weight hold; you were probably over flaring the ball and it puked on the backend. 

Two things you could do:  1.  Do something like a Hyroad Solid but no weight hole and add a low grade polish like Storm 2 or 3 to help it conserve some energy for the backend.  OR  2.  Drill something with the diff in the .03 area to cut down on the flare potential.  A ball that might fit that bill would be something like an IQ ball; like the Fusion.  Cover should be strong enough to handle the fresh and yet conserve some energy so there is some hook and continuation.  Fusion should be a step up from the Uproar.  Fusion is a very underrated ball and I am not even a Storm guy.  Another ball that could fit that bill if you dont mind using something other than Storm is the new Eruption Pro Hybrid.  Diff on that ball is .036.

My layout suggestion would be a 70 x 5 x 30.  This should put the pin above your ring finger roughly and keep the cg stacked below and no weight hole.  This should help control the flare so the ball doesnt puke on the backend and hit like a 10 pound ball.  Hope this helps and good luck!
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