win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: Invasion not what I expected  (Read 12569 times)

nmbr1sun99

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 88
Invasion not what I expected
« on: January 31, 2010, 06:12:09 AM »
I recently got my Invasion... Drilled it 4x4x1 as noted for hi rev and speed bowler. The ball is barely having any reaction. Took the surface down to 2000 and it had some life. I am now debating taking the surface down to 1000.

Any suggestions before I contact Storm?

I purchased the ball for use on heavy oil PBA pattern and tournament patterns. Now is the time I need this ball. I can't afford to wait for a replacement.
Brandon Joseph
Motiv Staff

 

Sir Bowl-A-Lot

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2981
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 02:16:09 PM »
With that drilling you probably had a weight hole (unless you have a pro cg ball).  Where did you place the x-hole?

nmbr1sun99

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 88
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 02:34:33 PM »
x-hole is just below the center grip line
Brandon Joseph
Motiv Staff

Panda3

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 22
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 04:02:08 PM »
i had the same exact problem.  The guy at my pro shop put a small touch of polish on it saying the ball was probably burning itself up too early.  After about 3 games it finally started moving a good amount for me.

Motogp69

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1176
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 05:57:30 PM »
Personally, you aren't the only one. I threw the Invasion and the Reign of Fire together and I was expecting the world to hook, and it wasn't even stronger than my worn out Cell. Now the Reign of Fire that is a different beast all together. That ball is bordering on to much ball.

At least for me.
--------------------
Videos at:
http://youtube.com/user/Gsnap21

"The framers of our Constitution believed that if the people were to be sovereign and belong to different religions at the same time then our official religion would have to be no religion at all. It was a bold experiment then as it is now. It wasn't meant to make us comfortable, it was meant to make us free."

Pozz

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 340
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2010, 06:15:47 PM »
I had that exact problem with my Virtual Gravity.  I couldn't make that thing turn at all.  I just ordered a Invasion and with this negative feedback I am wondering if maybe I should switch to a C-system.  Any thoughts?

Raven829

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1675
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 06:30:30 PM »
I punched mine up 60* x 5.5 x 35* and it is a ton of ball.  It still gets good length but the impressive part is the move on the back part of the lane.  It looks like it picks up speed and just doesn't stop coming.  I haven't seen a dull ball (especially one this strong in the midlane) that is still so continuous.  It makes my Mutant look like a spare ball.  

IMO, this cover/core combo is so strong that weaker layouts are going to be needed, even if bowling on longer/heavier patterns.  

Don
--------------------
"You cannot change the stripes of a leopard."
~Emmitt Smith
1. Don't be a dick
2. Try not to hurt others

lil League Coach

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1701
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 06:52:42 PM »
strong layouts on a ball that already hooks a ton for high rev players is going to cause very early burn up.
 
I have above average revs on a bowling ball with some medium - high speed. Last season I drilled up 2 virtuals. Ball 1- weak layout pin under (still throwing it to this day)  Ball 2-  4x4 drilling and the ball never wanted to hook.

My suggestion is stay with pins 4.5 (at most) to 5.5 to your PAP.
--------------------
TJ TROUT
 PBA EAST REGIONAL MEMBER
 Vise Grip Staff "choice of champions"
 thomasjtrout@yahoo.com
Keglers Pro Shop - Owner (www.keglersproshop.com)

icewall

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 906
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 07:06:57 PM »
from what ive heard the invasion creates a lot of friction. sounds like too much friction to me.

also remember storm/rotogrip sand their balls 360/500/4000 ( so any sanding 1000 or greater has the possibility of actually smoothing the surface more then the OOB!)

if it was me id try some polish or smoothing the ball out with some 1000 thru 4000

but really I agree with TJ and would say the layout is the problem. its just too much flare for a high rev player.
--------------------
tweener
300 revs
16 mph
15 degrees of tilt


Edited on 1/31/2010 8:08 PM

Pozz

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 340
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2010, 07:14:03 PM »
So let me ask you guys this in regards to layout.  What layout do you recommend for tweeners.  I personally prefer a stacked drilling on most balls.  I went with pin up on my VG and struggled with it badly.

lincolnrw

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 20
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2010, 07:28:00 PM »
drilled mine with a 60x3 1/2x 30 degree with a p3 weight hole and all i have to say is it is the biggest peice of junk ive bought in a while. is easily 10 boards weaker than my cell pearl or pure swing at the same finish. tried it at 4000, 4000 polished , 2000 , 2000 polished and 1000. every ball ive ever had at 1000 would hook really early this ball makes little to no effort. thought it might be so i had avout ten guys throw and they all disliked it also. And since i work in a pro shop i have talked two guys out of them after they threw mine.
As a side note to everyone who says its laid out wrong, my pap is 6 1/4 over and a half up. if i go pin to positive over 4 inches it rolls over the ring finger and thumb.


Edited on 1/31/2010 8:31 PM

tburky

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1071
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 10:19:31 PM »
reign of fire is an arcy ball at best...not even close to skid/flip. Ball rolls continuously through the lane. As for invasion that ball needs oil. I would be very reluctant to drill the invasion with a strong layout. I feel with the stronger asymmetric cores depending on a persons axis measurements I would put the pin at least 5" from axis. Now polished you probably go stronger on the layout. I haven't drilled mine yet (invasion or reign of fire) but will soon.

Xcessive_Evil

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1853
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2010, 01:52:44 AM »
I agree with TJ also.  Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have gone with such an agressive layout(35* 5" 20*).  Be that as it may, I still have much success with it by taking some hand out of it(I'm pretty high rev, and need to decrease it anyway.)
--------------------
www.youtube.com/track8401

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX/Arsenal/

Dan Belcher

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3954
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 06:29:26 AM »
Despite what so many people think, strong balls do not mean a lot of hook.  They mean a lot of roll.  You need an exceptional amount of oil to take advantage of a strong ball with a strong drilling on it, because otherwise the ball will burn up all of its energy in the front part of the lane.  Even without seeing you throw the ball, I'm 99% certain you're not retaining energy for later in the lane, and that's why the ball isn't reacting well.  Polish your Invasion and see if it rolls better.  If not, try plugging and redrilling with a much weaker layout to get it through the front part of the lane.  Otherwise, you may just be using the wrong ball.  Something with a weaker core and coverstock will probably suffice.

(Real world example: I have a Mutant Cell that I've only got about 10 games on total because it's just too damn strong for its own good, and I even had to redrill it to make it more useful because it was going to require an absolute flood in the front part of the lane to have anything left on the backend. And bear in mind I only have about a 250rpm rev rate, so usually I do well with stronger equipment, but still prefer weak layouts and I can very rarely ever use anything duller than 2000 abralon)

themagician

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2962
Re: Invasion not what I expected
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2010, 06:43:29 AM »
I watched a few guys use these over the weeekends, they most definitely hook a lot if you can find heavy enough oil to get the ball to push down the lane a little bit before it rolls up.

A couple of the players were also high rev guys but they did not use strong layouts on the ball, I think a lot of it is people trying to use a super strong ball, with a super strong layout on a house shot and either play their line or play something way inside that they can't normally play and it leads to lots of posts like these giving a ball a bad rep without giving it a chance.
--------------------
BowlingChat.net

-Mike
-MOTIV Staff