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Jorge300

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Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« on: May 30, 2012, 09:37:46 AM »
After a successful tournament last weekend, I have come to the realization that I seem to match up very well with Storm equipment (and a few Roto Grip products as well, lol). I was wondering what everyone thinks is the Storm ball that best handles heavier, longer oil patterns. Is it still the VG Nano for them? Or do they have something newer, similar to the Roto Grip Defiant?
 
My stats are 19 MPH, PAP 4 11/16 over - 3/4 up, 26 deg tilt, about 380-390 RPM's.
 
My current arsenal of Storm has a Modern Marvel, VG Nano Pearl, Hy-Road. Was looking at getting a Frantic to fit below the Hy-Road for when the lanes get a little toasty, but unsure of what to fill in over the Modern Marvel for the longer, heavier patterns. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Cobalt Bomb

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Re: Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2012, 10:13:11 AM »
By most accounts, the VG Nano is a little more angular than the Defiant. As to below the Hyroad, the Frantic would not be a good choice as it has the same cover, lower RG core. Perhaps a Tropical Storm, Breeze, or the new Roto lower end  balls would work.

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Re: Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2012, 10:49:16 AM »
Cobalt Bomb,
     What I read, the Frantic has about the same RG as the Hy-Road (2.53 vs. 2.52) but the diff is much less (0.44 vs 0.58). This is why I thought it would be a good fit. I love the hybrid cover of the Hy-Road (and the Modern Marvel for that matter) so with the lower diff's it would seem like a good piece to move down to after the Hy-Road to keep the same look. Maybe I am mistaken in my thinking.
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Re: Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2012, 10:55:13 AM »
The 'best ball to handle heavy oil' is very subjective depending on your needs.  If you assume VG Nano, Vivid, Defiant, and maybe Marvel are your choices you need to decide what you you want a ball to do in heavy oil and what kind of cover prep. you are willing to do to get to what you want.

IMO the VG Nano and Defiant are your more angular balls and Vivid and Marvel are more rolly.  For me, on longer and heavier patterns I prefer rolly balls with as much traction as I can get - which means I am perfectly comfortable changing the cover to 1000 or even 500 abralon if necessary.  For me I prefer a Marvel at 1000 since it is lower RG than the Vivid and gives me a nice smooth arc in the backends.

If you are expecting to play in a bit and swing the ball it is better to get a heavy oil ball that will retain energy and give you some additional side turn in the last 10 feet you probably want to look at the VG Nano or the Defiant.  If you can find one I'd also suggest an Invasion.  I know that the VG balls were more popular but I like the core reaction from an Invasion when playing in a bit.

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Re: Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 10:55:38 AM »
In 15#, the hyroad is 2.57RG, diff for the hyroad is .046. Frantic is 2.53, .040. The Frantic would likely be earlier and smoother, not usually what you would want in a step down. The new Roto balls (scream?) are going to be 2.57, .02x. Tropical Storm is 2.6x, .018? Also, the covers are weaker.
The 16# is a little different, but the relationship should be the same.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2012, 11:14:21 AM by Cobalt Bomb »

greenefam

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Re: Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2012, 11:04:54 AM »
The new Roto balls (scream?) are going to be 2.57, .02x. Tropical Storm is 2.6x, .018?

I am really looking forward to the new Roto Shout.  The specs. seem perfect for a broken down tourney shot.  I have always been a fan of box-polished solids and a medium-high RG and lower diff. sounds like the perfect combination for getting through burnt up heads with control through the mids.

Jorge300

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Re: Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2012, 11:35:37 AM »
Thanks for the input so far guys.
 
Cobalt, I throw 16 lbs, so that was all I looked at and the numbers were the ones I quoted in my prior post. I am hesitant to move to the Tropical line, only because of my ball speed.....I am worried the 2.6x RG will be too high and I won't see much read at all, even on the burn. Plus I see that as too big a gap from a Hy-Road to the Tropical line. I would think I would need something in between.
 
Greenefam, I am never opposed to changing covers. In my PBAX league here this year, our house played super super tight, which made Shark a real challenge. I was taking my ball down to 360 Abralon by hand in order to get it to read the lanes. I tend to favor going straight up the lanes, with my speed and tilt it seems to work better. I do like the Modern Marvel that I have, but didn't think the Marvel Solid would give me enough on a heavier/longer pattern. Maybe I need to rethink it. Was also looking at the new IQ just now and thinking that might be a good ball for this as well.
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Re: Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2012, 03:06:32 PM »
Ok, so given your answers here is what I suggest:

Vivid at 1000 or lower will probably will be best Storm / Roto choice for heavy oil given your needs.

As far as a step down from the HyRoad I agree with Cobolt Bomb.  Specs. aside a HyRoad is fairly close to a Frantic.  On the Roto side I would add (just in case this was a fallback as well) that the Rising Star is also very close to a HyRoad and a Frantic.  You should take a serious look at the Tropical Heat hybrid.  It is a much lower RG than you think - at 16# the RG is 2.53 and Diff. of 0.040 (remember this is the same core from the Street Rods a few years back) and reactor hybrid it will be a better step down IMO.

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Re: Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2012, 10:16:59 PM »
Agree, the Tropical Heat Hybrid is a very good step down from the Hy Road.  In fact, it's my step down.  The new black/purple one comes 4000 out of box which is a slight step down.  If you adjust the cover by adding a little polish, it's a better step down that way.  Either way, the Turbine core is exactly the kind of core that would work as the step down.  Trust me, the ball is not weak.  I absolutely love this ball.
I recently reviewed the Heat Hybrid here with video and digitrax:
http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/storm-tropical-heat-hybrid-blackpurple-bowling-ball-review/

If you like the shape of your Modern Marvel ball reaction, I think the Nano or Defiant will be closer.  The Vivid offers the more controlled reaction that you would benefit from playing a bit more directly. 
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Re: Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2012, 05:11:15 PM »
There are two distinct approaches to "handling" heavy oil.  The most common is to look for an aggressive shell in hopes of overpowering the oil and opening up the shot.  The less common, but often more effective, approach is to use a less aggressive shell that allows you to square up and utilize the hold area.  The key to this last approach is finding a ball that will hit hard by getting it into an end over end roll.  Balls like the Frantic can work very well on such a shot. I used mine on a 40 ft Highway to Hell pattern that featured little swing area, and had a very good look squaring up 8-10 board.

Jorge300

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Re: Storm ball to handle heavy oil
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 08:30:14 AM »
Avabob,
      I am glad that worked for you, but if you looked at my specs in the OP, I doubt that a Frantic will do the job with my ball speed. I am already "squaring up" when I throw the more aggressive equipment. Thanks for the thought though.
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