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cryinryan

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Need advise on bowling balls
« on: August 23, 2014, 08:00:05 AM »
Well took advice form members and went to several proshops.

Finally found one that asked me to throw a few balls before actually trying to sell me one just by looking at me. Gave me an hour long education on the new technology since I haven't bowled in about 20 years. bowled in parent child league this summer with a used Ebonite source-- dont know how they drilled it-- never asked me just took off shelf-- averaged 164

i am a stoker, ave rev, 16 mph- that's all the tech terms i know- sorry
but my pap- was 4x3x4.5


So came down to two balls  Storm IQ Fusion and Storm Byte.  They both appear to be similar.

So I am looking for advice from those of you that have one or both balls and your experience/pros and cons,

or another suggestion-

May shed some light on my decision

thanks

 

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2014, 04:18:15 PM »
Thank you all for the advise--  I guess I just liked the IQ Fusion because it was the second choie the pro gave me- and I love the color.

The Byte and IQ where about the same price-- and not to change the subject -- I have another post on Proshops in the Hudson Valley region of NY -- Only had one proshop actually -- watch me bowl-- one told me he could measure the PAP by looking at the ball and another that took the time to go through watching measure and explaining everything.

I am also close to Buddies.com-- the online shop-- and heard they are great  Being that I am just a beginner-- should I drive the 1 1/2 hours to go toa  buddies or stick with the local guy that took the time to give me a proper measurement and explanation.

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2014, 05:04:17 PM »
Does the Optimus fall into the same place as the IQ and the Hyroad?

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2014, 07:21:13 PM »
Personally I would support the local shop that took time to help and explain things to you. Especially just getting back into it.

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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2014, 07:37:11 PM »
Does the Optimus fall into the same place as the IQ and the Hyroad?

No. The Optimus is so much stronger then everything else you listed. The Optimus will make you move deeper.
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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2014, 08:36:13 PM »
Ok Optimus is out of the picture

Then this really comes down to the high end Byte and Fusion versus the Hyroad.

i beleive that the Byte and Fusion have more length and curve.  Check that the Hyroad might have more length and be easier to control the breakpoint and the back end and is 20-30 cheaper--

I question myself becasue I keep on comparing my backend of the Fbonite Source or the lack of backend action and think that by over compensating with the Byte or Fusion that I will be able to get the action I am looking for throwing the ball at 16mph instead of 17mph. 

When ever I threw the Ebonite above 17 standing on the 7th and shooting the 8-9 board it would just slide past the pocket -- it did not break and make it to the pocket but when i moved two boards to the left 9 and threw 8- 9 at 16.5 -  i would ake the pocket and get lucky.

i also am out of practice-- and the Ebonite was pluged and redrilled - i got it cheap-- the did not move the thumb just drill the fingers -- could not tel you the layout.

So it is a flip of the coin and 20-30 more or less.

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2014, 06:56:50 AM »
I'm personally a huge fan of the iq tour solid and the fusion. I roll the tour solid90% of the time I bowl and my gf rolls the fusion around the same amount.

Tour solid is very smooth and predictable and strong enough to use from start to finish. I found the hyroad to be more of a lighter condition ball.

The fusion has a similar midlane read with just a pinch more pop in the backend than the solid.

Honestly can't go wrong with either.

Also both take to surface adjustments extremely well

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2014, 08:34:56 AM »

When ever I threw the Ebonite above 17 standing on the 7th and shooting the 8-9 board it would just slide past the pocket -- it did not break and make it to the pocket but when i moved two boards to the left 9 and threw 8- 9 at 16.5 -  i would ake the pocket and get lucky.


Let's see so your standing on the 7 to 9 boards that places your lay down point a few boards right still and your shooting at the 8-9 boards.

So your basically just throwing a straight ball at the pocket, across the driest part of the lane.

the Storm IQ Fusion is low RG oiler hardly for that shot. So unless your going to move left and start playing in the oil and swing the ball little bit.

The Byte is a pearl at least for Dry-Medium Oil would be better where your playing.

A Storm Lights Out would be cheaper than the Byte.
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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2014, 11:10:27 AM »
Thank you Al-- Yes I would really have to amke an adjustment as I am learning-- that is what i  played with my Maroon Hammer 20 yrs ago so old habits are hard to break-- I think I am going to go with a something like the lights out or Hyroad-- the Byte and Fusion can wait until I am ready to get serious about the game again and understand a little more about the new technology and applying it to my game.

I was contacted by a Storm staffer who suggested the same thing. So i am going to go to the proshop with enough information to make a semi- educated decision. 

One things for sure I know alot about what I don't know!

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2014, 08:54:32 PM »
So after all is said and done ended up with a Zero Gravity.  Having it drilled tonight and picking up tomorrow.

Thank you all for your help.  Son got an Assassin-- that should be interesting,

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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2014, 09:13:47 PM »
Haha!  You crack me up.  I'm the same way though. 

My Father-in-law bought that same ball a couple of months ago, he was also away from the game for many years, and he is bowling really well with it. 

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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2014, 05:29:01 AM »
I am having a really hard time finding out what fits me best--

I think it's because I am not communicating with the pro properly-- Like I stated I went back to the pro at my local lanes, who doesn't measure off the PAP-- he just gives you a layout that he thinks will fit you best.

Well I am getting a little better action from the zero gravity-- not much more then the ebonite source-- needless to say I am not happy

My son going from the cyclone to the assassin is happy -- because now the ball does the work, he does not have to come over on the ball to make it move.  He shot an inside line over the 3rd arrow and an outside line over or between the first and second arrow and got a nice angle to the pocket both ways shot 197-176-164-- he's a 134 average.

I on the other had had the 164 average-- yes that appears like I am new, which I am-- but not happy shooting 191, 162, 157--

What's the saying "Its not the arrow its the Indian"  starting to think that's right. 

I can visualize the shot i want to shoot but the pro-- is visualizing the shot he thinks I should shoot.  He is not listeing or I am not communicating correctly.  I specifically asked for he to drill the Gravtity aggressive so that I get more snap then arc -- I know-- go with a High Polished- High flare - asymetical ball with a low RG. 

But cannot figure this out--  Ask one pro- go with the Bite- try to be loyal to my house pro  get a soft layout that is not what I want -- even after asking him to make it more of a sport shot then a house shot.  $600 into balls in the past two weeks (for my son and I) and I am still not happy.

Not giving up though--  I am going to another proshop -- to find some one that will listen and not give me a label drill layout-  telling me he's giving me a mercedes and then I find out it has a Honda engine--

Still searching-- But know I am going in with a little information  which is dangerous!-- LOL


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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2014, 06:54:03 AM »
Get a lesson.  Buying more balls isn't the answer at this point.  At 165 you aren't being held back by ball reaction.

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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2014, 07:44:25 AM »
Yes, find a coach!

Balls and layout don't automatically make you a better bowler. If you want a pro reaction, you have to have a pro release.

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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM »
Can you please explain to me what a coach is going to do to help me?  Not being sarcstic.

I have consitent speed for the most part- hit my mark within about 4-5 boards.  I can and have adjust my stance on the approch and my line with the changing lane conditions.  I know that I am a stroker.

So what other variables am I missing.  I stated that I was a 164 average because as a new bowler with todays technology I am.  But in reality- I have been bowling for 40 years- just not in a league. 

I can and have shot 650- 637- 628-  and this was just ina fun league with my kid using an old Hammer Duece and a used Ebonite Source-- that was not drilled using my PAP- or CG-- just a label layout by a proshop owner you drills by feel and experience, not taking into account how I bowl-- he maybe watched me bowl once- for four minutes on dry conditions with a 15 year old ball--

Everyone has been nice enough to help me and suggest balls based on the limited information I can provide because I don't know my rev rate or axis point or CG.

LOL-- I am just an old fart - who is trying to understand how the technology pertains to maximizing my potential based on the balls surface, and layout-- I am not going so deep to compare cores or adjustments with pads according to the changing lane conditions. 

The one pro who watched me bowl-- is not the house pro at my lanes-- yet he had the best read and watched me bowl-- so that is why I am speaking about bals and layouts.

I have used Hammer Duece, a used Ebonite Source and a used Zero Gravity.  Three completely different ball, the source and gravity were drilled  by the proshop owner who doesn't watch me bowl-- does not find out the PAP just uses a label layout.

That is why I am considering finding/ going to a this Pro, who does give lessons, buying the ball from him because he does have my PAP, CG and even if he drills me 4X2X4 it will be becasue it is forgiving for a house shot and not a Kegal pattern or PBA Championship pattern.

So I have feed the House Proshop Owner-- not a PBA pro but an owner.  Who drill to what he feels you need not what will work with your style.

So please forgive my stubborness- and misspelling-- LOL-- I am pretty consistent in my stance, speed, hit my mark and getting the ball out of my hand at a consistent angle-- i am a engineer buy nature and love exploring the variables associated with everything-- that is what I do--

That is why I think at this point i have to listen to the PBA proshop owner-- who understand what ball would work best for my house shot, based on my release, speed etc.

I shot those games I listed in about eight minutes per game trying out differnt lines - first arrow, between first and second, stand and going over the third. 

So will the PBA proshop owner be  the difference becasue they can not only assist in improving my game but drill the ball  to give me proper angle to the pocket at the right breakpoint with enough skid to have energy on the back end so I can throw six or seven in a row easily as opposed to modifing  my swing speed to get the ball to react the way it should?

So what else do I need to know from the coach?  again not being sarcastic

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2014, 10:18:05 AM »
Can you please explain to me what a coach is going to do to help me?  Not being sarcstic.

I have consitent speed for the most part- hit my mark within about 4-5 boards.  I can and have adjust my stance on the approch and my line with the changing lane conditions.  I know that I am a stroker.

So what other variables am I missing.  I stated that I was a 164 average because as a new bowler with todays technology I am.  But in reality- I have been bowling for 40 years- just not in a league. 

I can and have shot 650- 637- 628-  and this was just ina fun league with my kid using an old Hammer Duece and a used Ebonite Source-- that was not drilled using my PAP- or CG-- just a label layout by a proshop owner you drills by feel and experience, not taking into account how I bowl-- he maybe watched me bowl once- for four minutes on dry conditions with a 15 year old ball--

Everyone has been nice enough to help me and suggest balls based on the limited information I can provide because I don't know my rev rate or axis point or CG.

LOL-- I am just an old fart - who is trying to understand how the technology pertains to maximizing my potential based on the balls surface, and layout-- I am not going so deep to compare cores or adjustments with pads according to the changing lane conditions. 

The one pro who watched me bowl-- is not the house pro at my lanes-- yet he had the best read and watched me bowl-- so that is why I am speaking about bals and layouts.

I have used Hammer Duece, a used Ebonite Source and a used Zero Gravity.  Three completely different ball, the source and gravity were drilled  by the proshop owner who doesn't watch me bowl-- does not find out the PAP just uses a label layout.

That is why I am considering finding/ going to a this Pro, who does give lessons, buying the ball from him because he does have my PAP, CG and even if he drills me 4X2X4 it will be becasue it is forgiving for a house shot and not a Kegal pattern or PBA Championship pattern.

So I have feed the House Proshop Owner-- not a PBA pro but an owner.  Who drill to what he feels you need not what will work with your style.

So please forgive my stubborness- and misspelling-- LOL-- I am pretty consistent in my stance, speed, hit my mark and getting the ball out of my hand at a consistent angle-- i am a engineer buy nature and love exploring the variables associated with everything-- that is what I do--

That is why I think at this point i have to listen to the PBA proshop owner-- who understand what ball would work best for my house shot, based on my release, speed etc.

I shot those games I listed in about eight minutes per game trying out differnt lines - first arrow, between first and second, stand and going over the third. 

So will the PBA proshop owner be  the difference becasue they can not only assist in improving my game but drill the ball  to give me proper angle to the pocket at the right breakpoint with enough skid to have energy on the back end so I can throw six or seven in a row easily as opposed to modifing  my swing speed to get the ball to react the way it should?

So what else do I need to know from the coach?  again not being sarcastic

Thanks

I stopped reading after "I hit my within 4-5 boards". Thats a significant variance. I would work on that first. In another post you mentioned $600 on new balls? So the ZG and Assassin were $300 each?
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