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cryinryan

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Need advise on bowling balls
« on: August 23, 2014, 08:00:05 AM »
Well took advice form members and went to several proshops.

Finally found one that asked me to throw a few balls before actually trying to sell me one just by looking at me. Gave me an hour long education on the new technology since I haven't bowled in about 20 years. bowled in parent child league this summer with a used Ebonite source-- dont know how they drilled it-- never asked me just took off shelf-- averaged 164

i am a stoker, ave rev, 16 mph- that's all the tech terms i know- sorry
but my pap- was 4x3x4.5


So came down to two balls  Storm IQ Fusion and Storm Byte.  They both appear to be similar.

So I am looking for advice from those of you that have one or both balls and your experience/pros and cons,

or another suggestion-

May shed some light on my decision

thanks

 

cryinryan

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2014, 10:29:51 AM »
Well sorry abiut the four or five bord but that about were I shoot and make all(most my spares)

Assassin $210- Son
Gravity $130 - Me
Source- 105 Me
WD- $90 Son


Yeah--$550 --


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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2014, 10:37:18 AM »
that PAP isnt a PAP. that sounds more like a layout. we need more information to give a ball recommendation. what lane conditions are you seeing. what is your source doing that you like or dont like. do you want a replacement forthe source or a compliment?

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2014, 10:42:00 AM »
Can you please explain to me what a coach is going to do to help me?  Not being sarcstic.

I have consitent speed for the most part- hit my mark within about 4-5 boards.


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I am pretty consistent in my stance, speed, hit my mark and getting the ball out of my hand at a consistent angle--

Missing your mark by 4-5 boards isn't considered "hitting your mark" or being consistent.

That's what coach is going to help with. Things like form, timing, release etc.

Balls and layouts don't fix things like release and missing your mark.





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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2014, 01:19:11 PM »
You are lacking the consistency needed for the ball or layout to matter.  You are not being realistic in how consistent you are and think a ball or layout is going to be the solution.  It isn't. 

A good coach will work within your physical ability to get the body into better positions to be able to roll the ball more consistently.  I can guarantee what you think you feel is far from what is actually happening. 

cryinryan

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2014, 02:03:15 PM »
I agree-- I cannot worry about the ball and the snap or arc if I cannot hit a mark consistently-- i just got back from the lanes and while I did hit the second arrow about 80-85% of the time standing anywhere from the 5 to 10th ,  i was not consistent on the back end or with my speed,

I threw 5 balsl open, 5 balls cranked, 5 balls cupped and 5 balls straight or flat-- i consistently left the 8 pin on shots where i hit a light pocket, i left 10 pins on high pocket shots and maybe 7 or 8 of my 18 strikes over 3 games were real pocket shots that cleared the deck

i've used the Source, the Zero Gravity and the Hammer Deuce-- one each game ZERO OIL on brand new synthetic lanes.  i still like my Deuce from the corner with a slight curve-- even thought the ball must have 300 games on it- LOL

The only thing I can truely say is that I feel best throwing smooth and easy opposed to fast with a high back swing more control i guess.

So I am going to wait, get a few lessons, see how the new lanes react and what similar style bowlers are throwing. Then find someting forgiving that i feel comfortable with and let that PBA pro give me the lessons and drill my new ball when its the right time. 

How does that sound?

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2014, 02:07:36 PM »
A new ball is not going to equate into higher scores. The only things that improve scores is correct practice. You should be hitting your mark +/- one board over 90% minimum.  IMO a premium ball could be causing more harm than good at this point for you.

Get some coaching, books, look for seminars to attend. Most seminars around here are Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Some will video your game before, and after to show you the improvement in your game.

Practice, sub in a different league. Put time into fundamentals like approach, swing plane, fee arm swing, etc. You may think the ball is the key to better scores, but it is practice, practice and more practice.

You can buy a gi and black belt, but that doesn't make you an expert in martial arts.

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2014, 03:48:50 PM »
OK-- Phase two-  i am into project managment so Phase two is appropriate for me.

Took my first lesson-- Yes lesson-- the pro watched me bowl for about 10 minutes.  I used a Zero Gravity-- here are the measurements as I understand them-- the ball was drill 5 1/8 over 1"up?  Zero/Zero angle on the thumb-- 4x4x3 1/2 layout-- this is the way the pro who drilled it measured it up. -- don't know why. it's a used ball.

1. Moved me forward on the approach to a little behind the second dots and  made me stand on the 10th board and through over the 8th.  He stated that I was reaching and not getting to the line,when I stood on the back dots-- my foot would end up about 12" away from the foul line and he explained that I was reaching.   Hard to adjust to taking smaller step, but work in progress. 

2.Then he took my ball and drilled the thumb plug 3/16th both ways?Sanded what was left of the thumb plug.  He wanted the thumb to come out of the ball first.  Apparently, I release the ball with my thumb sideways. Thus starting to spin too early and not skid, roll, and curve-- my ball was curving to early and loosing energy beacuse the breakpoint was too early.

He said my timing and balance were very good and I was within 2-3 boards consitently-- Out of 10 balls i through after the adjustments he said four were goos shots (4 Strikes)-- four were acceptable (3 Stikes and an 10 pin)  and two that I just did not focues --( One gutter and the other came accross the brooklyn side leaving a mess.

He also spoke of Bill Talyor -- the drilling guru and that Surface, Surface, Surface were the keys to the game and the obstacles were the lane conditions.  The Surface determines using the proper ball or adjustment to the lane condition.  The lane condition are ever changing so the quicker I learn to read the conditions the faster adjustment I can make.  If the ball is going right move right -- if the ball is going left move left.

So went out today to pratice-- High 224 Low 176-- danced all around the approch to find a comfort zone with the new shorter approach.  Continued to let the ball out side way on my release-- but when I did concentrate and the thumb came out first -- i felt the finish with my body and hand position and cleaned the deck!

thank you all for your help.


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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2014, 01:34:36 PM »
Just an update-- i placed one or two post on the site asking about balls, drilling layouts etc.  I recieved great advice--"Take Lessons"  basically becasue I prefaced everything with the fact that I had not bowled in 20 years and held a 164 average -- which mean i was placed in the beginner catergory, and rightfully so-- so one month later, watching the better bowler at my house -- I realized -- ahhh yes -- bowling throw the ball hit the pins and adjust.

So now 4 weeks into the league -- I have a 193 average--yes 30 pins better with a 735 high series and 264 high game.

I am using the IQ fusion as a marker and the Zero Gravity and Hammer Legend as my ain balls -- when the lane breaks down I just shoot the IQ of the five board and snap it back nicely.  I also have new shoes-- LOL

So after driving myself crazy with Flare,PAP, diff Asy vs sym it really just can down to getting a few good balls -- have someone watch me-- and trustig my shot.

So thank you all who helped and even those of you who basically called me a ***^^%$ for worring so much about the balls when I could not possibly be a decent bowler becasue I had a 164 average. 

Oh yeah-- hell of a spare Friday night -- 4-7-9-10-- Sweet

So as i see is acustom when people start thier post

Zero Gravity
Hammer Legend
IQ Fusion
Duece II for ten pins

Bowling is not a sport it is a state of mind-- LOL


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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2014, 05:23:17 PM »
Just an update-- i placed one or two post on the site asking about balls, drilling layouts etc.  I recieved great advice--"Take Lessons"  basically becasue I prefaced everything with the fact that I had not bowled in 20 years and held a 164 average -- which mean i was placed in the beginner catergory, and rightfully so-- so one month later, watching the better bowler at my house -- I realized -- ahhh yes -- bowling throw the ball hit the pins and adjust.

So now 4 weeks into the league -- I have a 193 average--yes 30 pins better with a 735 high series and 264 high game.

I am using the IQ fusion as a marker and the Zero Gravity and Hammer Legend as my ain balls -- when the lane breaks down I just shoot the IQ of the five board and snap it back nicely.  I also have new shoes-- LOL

So after driving myself crazy with Flare,PAP, diff Asy vs sym it really just can down to getting a few good balls -- have someone watch me-- and trustig my shot.

So thank you all who helped and even those of you who basically called me a ***^^%$ for worring so much about the balls when I could not possibly be a decent bowler becasue I had a 164 average. 

Oh yeah-- hell of a spare Friday night -- 4-7-9-10-- Sweet

So as i see is acustom when people start thier post

Zero Gravity
Hammer Legend
IQ Fusion
Duece II for ten pins


Congrats in your success. Hope you continue to be satisfied with your choices and have many more high scores.
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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2014, 05:23:56 PM »
I started to jump in without reading all your posts, so let me apologize up front.  It sounds like you were a 190 average in the early 90's.  I still think a mid price ball will fill your needs, but if you are still looking at the Fusion or the Byte, I would take the Fusion.  Modern balls will give you a bit more carry than the urethane you were probably throwing then, but a tamer reactive is more likely to allow you to stay out in the dry area on a house shot, which seems to be your comfort zone.   
« Last Edit: September 24, 2014, 05:29:35 PM by avabob »

cryinryan

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2014, 07:47:15 PM »
Thanks-- I did stay with the Zero Gravity that I got used-- Nie ball - really hits hard-- still trying to work out my position on the approach-- Pro wanted me to move up so that I finished closer to the foul line-- seems to work but I am taking a little stutter step and it has made my spare shooting a little challenging.

So the Zero and the Legend are a toss up on  during the frist two games the Legend being new gets a little better angle to the pocket and finishes nicely,  The IQ Fusion is great when the lanes dr up -- third game-- can still shot the same line and get good results

So as I have seen on the site

Arsenal

Zero gravity
Hammer Legend
Storm IQ fusion
Storm Duece really old ball but love it for spare shooting

Having a wonderful time -  team is 26 and 2 after four weeks-- lost to a team where two 160 averages shot 230 games and were getting 61 pins-- tough loss--



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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2014, 02:46:01 PM »
Legend and Fusion are both great balls.  One word of advice.  Changing balls to try and hold the same line is seldom effective.  You need to follow the oil in as they dry out.  This move may entail a ball change along with the move, but make the move first. 

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Re: Need advise on bowling balls
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2014, 03:41:29 PM »
Thank you will try next bowling night