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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: cryinryan on August 23, 2014, 08:00:05 AM
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Well took advice form members and went to several proshops.
Finally found one that asked me to throw a few balls before actually trying to sell me one just by looking at me. Gave me an hour long education on the new technology since I haven't bowled in about 20 years. bowled in parent child league this summer with a used Ebonite source-- dont know how they drilled it-- never asked me just took off shelf-- averaged 164
i am a stoker, ave rev, 16 mph- that's all the tech terms i know- sorry
but my pap- was 4x3x4.5
So came down to two balls Storm IQ Fusion and Storm Byte. They both appear to be similar.
So I am looking for advice from those of you that have one or both balls and your experience/pros and cons,
or another suggestion-
May shed some light on my decision
thanks
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i am a stoker, ave rev, 16 mph- that's all the tech terms i know- sorry
but my pap- was 4x3x4.5
just FYI: A 4x3x4.5 isn't a PAP measurement that's a layout.
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I'm going to tell you what the pro shop guy won't. Save fifty bucks and drill a Hy-Road or even a Hot Line ball. At 164 you have developed the consistency to be able to tell the difference.
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If you are a stroker then the better ball for you would be the Fusion. It's a low RG low diff ball that will keep you either in the track or friction longer. Don't be afraid to hit it with surface so that ball isn't so squirty. Layouts will depend on your stats.
Just have them find your pap for you. It won't take long and it will give them the opportunity to watch you bowl a bit. The easier you make your drillers job the better the Operator can fit your equipment for what you do on the lanes.
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First off thank you for the advise and keep it coming.
Went to 6 proshops-- all I learned is that bowling has become too confusing and you can't trust any proshop
Went into one-- had a guy tell me that I should buy 3 diffenent balls becasue it would give me better action on the back end-- owner came in and gave me three different balls - LOL
Only one pro shop actually watched me bowl-- Yes they recommended the BYTE over the IQ -- but the reviews I read the IQ --seemed to be the better value.
Everyball out there is the best-- just read each form and website, every you tube video is a strike-- all balls are perfect.
Hell - where my kid bowls (13)- thier averages are all around 205-215.
Would love to see how the kids today would have faired back when the NEWEST Greatest was a Columbia Plastic White Dot or even better an AMF Voit-- LOL-- probably couldn't break a deuce!
I think I am just going to buy my old Blue Hammer shoot for the 5th board and make all my spares. Average will be back up to 190 in a few weeks-- Heck -- just a league not a PBA tourney!
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First off thank you for the advise and keep it coming.
Went to 6 proshops-- all I learned is that bowling has become too confusing and you can't trust any proshop
Went into one-- had a guy tell me that I should buy 3 diffenent balls becasue it would give me better action on the back end-- owner came in and gave me three different balls - LOL
Only one pro shop actually watched me bowl-- Yes they recommended the BYTE over the IQ -- but the reviews I read the IQ --seemed to be the better value.
Everyball out there is the best-- just read each form and website, every you tube video is a strike-- all balls are perfect.
Hell - where my kid bowls (13)- thier averages are all around 205-215.
Would love to see how the kids today would have faired back when the NEWEST Greatest was a Columbia Plastic White Dot or even better an AMF Voit-- LOL-- probably couldn't break a deuce!
I think I am just going to buy my old Blue Hammer shoot for the 5th board and make all my spares. Average will be back up to 190 in a few weeks-- Heck -- just a league not a PBA tourney!
Lol I can agree that some shops are a little over the top and you also have to be aware of the brand the shop is representing. If you go into a brunswick shop, they are going to lean you towards a brunswick ball. The best thing is to have a ball in mind. There is so much information out there, there is no reason why a customer can't have a general idea as to what to buy.
To be honest, the Byte is more of a cracker THS or specialty sport pattern piece. It is going to make you move deeper in on THS as a stroker. The Fusion will read and roll a bit heavier and not be as flippy which will keep you in the track longer.
Or storm does make 2 very good urethanes. Lol!
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LOL-- AAAHH Urethane-- grip it and rip it--
After throwing the Ebonite Source for about 20 games -- I relized that I kept coming up light and leaving the 1-2-4-8-- so just stood 2 boards right and threw it a little slower 15mph to get a better pocket hit-- did throw a 675 one night. But also relized that if the ball was drill to be more aggressive-- which might have happened if the pro shop owner watched me I would get better action and higher scores.
I am simple-- I am comfortable throwing 16- 16.5 mph, I like throwing between the first and second arrow and watching the ball drive through the 8 and either tapping out the ten or on a clean pocket shot having the 6 drive out the ten-- do have a tendency to leave occasional 5 when the ball deflects.
There is just so much information I am truly baffled-- I figure a polished ball will get me further down the lane-- a 1500 Grit ball will give me better back end and Asymetrical ball will give me the energy I need since I am throwing low to average speed.
So if you go on Bowlingball.com or Buddy.com I have my choice of 3000 balls--only kidding-- So from what the pro said with the Byte- I agree with you more of a special line is required
If the Fusion rolls more consistent down the lane and can still give me the energy required to get better action when I hit the pocket -- might be the way to go.
If my terminology is wrong == sorry best way i know how to explain what I am looking for
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Since your just getting back into bowling after 20 yrs, your basically a beginner.
Don't worry about the high end balls, Save yourself some money just get about any mid performance level ball.
At your current average level don't be worrying about layouts. Just Get a basic roll drilling on the ball (and Don't go in and say "I want it to go long and snap hard."). Something that won't get you in trouble.
If they can get a PAP off whatever ball your using now great, if not it's not a deal breaker.
The main thing is get the fit right first and then get out on the lanes, have some fun and get your consistency up.
here's a interesting video to watch
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LOL-- AAAHH Urethane-- grip it and rip it--
After throwing the Ebonite Source for about 20 games -- I relized that I kept coming up light and leaving the 1-2-4-8-- so just stood 2 boards right and threw it a little slower 15mph to get a better pocket hit-- did throw a 675 one night. But also relized that if the ball was drill to be more aggressive-- which might have happened if the pro shop owner watched me I would get better action and higher scores.
I am simple-- I am comfortable throwing 16- 16.5 mph, I like throwing between the first and second arrow and watching the ball drive through the 8 and either tapping out the ten or on a clean pocket shot having the 6 drive out the ten-- do have a tendency to leave occasional 5 when the ball deflects.
There is just so much information I am truly baffled-- I figure a polished ball will get me further down the lane-- a 1500 Grit ball will give me better back end and Asymetrical ball will give me the energy I need since I am throwing low to average speed.
So if you go on Bowlingball.com or Buddy.com I have my choice of 3000 balls--only kidding-- So from what the pro said with the Byte- I agree with you more of a special line is required
If the Fusion rolls more consistent down the lane and can still give me the energy required to get better action when I hit the pocket -- might be the way to go.
If my terminology is wrong == sorry best way i know how to explain what I am looking for
No worries about terminology. Just continue to learn and grow with sport and take what you can. But my opinion is the Fusion would be perfect for you
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Thank you - to the last two - responses- I am starting to feel smarter-- my wife wil not agree but that's because I want her to think I am dumb-- less house work!
The video was perfect -- so really the game has not changed at all-- I I throw the ball at the same mark and hit it 80% of the time I give myself a chance to strike
So go with the fusion-- 4X2X4 house layout-basic, one inch below the dot= sharpen curve or one inch above the in for smoother arc action?
Thats it right -- don't need PAP-or RG or MJSKJDIIO--LOL
and most importantly have fun!
had fun the other night-- made the 2-4-10 and 6-7-10-- Yes there are people out there who still enjoy making spares-- used an original Storm Deuce
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I'm going to tell you what the pro shop guy won't. Save fifty bucks and drill a Hy-Road or even a Hot Line ball. At 164 you have developed the consistency to be able to tell the difference.
I agree 110%. Save that money and reinvest it in coaching then practice after the coaching.
League patterns are designed so scores are high. A high performance ball is typically too strong for most bowlers on a THS- typical house shot.
I would second the Hy-road, or even the IQ Tour solid. Both are awesome, and proven to work well with many styles of bowlers. That is why they have remained in Storm's line for so long.
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I'm going to tell you what the pro shop guy won't. Save fifty bucks and drill a Hy-Road or even a Hot Line ball. At 164 you have developed the consistency to be able to tell the difference.
I agree 110%. Save that money and reinvest it in coaching then practice after the coaching.
League patterns are designed so scores are high. A high performance ball is typically too strong for most bowlers on a THS- typical house shot.
I would second the Hy-road, or even the IQ Tour solid. Both are awesome, and proven to work well with many styles of bowlers. That is why they have remained in Storm's line for so long.
But the tour solid is an HP......
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Aside from that the Tour pieces are more designed for THS than the Hyroad and will keep him where he wants to be. And it's only 20 bucks more...... I don't see your guys argument. The Hyroad is n awesome sport pattern ball but THS there are better options. Trust, I have a case of Hyroads.
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I'm going to tell you what the pro shop guy won't. Save fifty bucks and drill a Hy-Road or even a Hot Line ball. At 164 you have developed the consistency to be able to tell the difference.
I agree 110%. Save that money and reinvest it in coaching then practice after the coaching.
League patterns are designed so scores are high. A high performance ball is typically too strong for most bowlers on a THS- typical house shot.
I would second the Hy-road, or even the IQ Tour solid. Both are awesome, and proven to work well with many styles of bowlers. That is why they have remained in Storm's line for so long.
I also agree. The Hy-Road is a great ball and it's versatile. I recently have replaced my old Hy-Road with the Motiv Sigma Sting and I think it's even better. Either way, as the others have said look towards something along those lines and save the cash to use in practice and coaching. It'll only help you become even better.
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If you love the urethane reaction, look at the Pitch Black. It is a smooth rolling piece that will keep you around 5 on "most" house shots. If you are looking for a reactive reaction with more "pop" down lane, but not break the bank, the HyRoad gets my vote. The Fusion is a great piece, but I do not think you will fully benefit from it bowling only on house. If you are looking to save a few more bucks, the UpRoar is a great option. Especially when you feed it to the friction. There are plenty of great choices to chose from. If you need any assistance, feel free to PM me. Good luck!
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Thank you all for the advise-- I guess I just liked the IQ Fusion because it was the second choie the pro gave me- and I love the color.
The Byte and IQ where about the same price-- and not to change the subject -- I have another post on Proshops in the Hudson Valley region of NY -- Only had one proshop actually -- watch me bowl-- one told me he could measure the PAP by looking at the ball and another that took the time to go through watching measure and explaining everything.
I am also close to Buddies.com-- the online shop-- and heard they are great Being that I am just a beginner-- should I drive the 1 1/2 hours to go toa buddies or stick with the local guy that took the time to give me a proper measurement and explanation.
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Does the Optimus fall into the same place as the IQ and the Hyroad?
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Personally I would support the local shop that took time to help and explain things to you. Especially just getting back into it.
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Does the Optimus fall into the same place as the IQ and the Hyroad?
No. The Optimus is so much stronger then everything else you listed. The Optimus will make you move deeper.
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Ok Optimus is out of the picture
Then this really comes down to the high end Byte and Fusion versus the Hyroad.
i beleive that the Byte and Fusion have more length and curve. Check that the Hyroad might have more length and be easier to control the breakpoint and the back end and is 20-30 cheaper--
I question myself becasue I keep on comparing my backend of the Fbonite Source or the lack of backend action and think that by over compensating with the Byte or Fusion that I will be able to get the action I am looking for throwing the ball at 16mph instead of 17mph.
When ever I threw the Ebonite above 17 standing on the 7th and shooting the 8-9 board it would just slide past the pocket -- it did not break and make it to the pocket but when i moved two boards to the left 9 and threw 8- 9 at 16.5 - i would ake the pocket and get lucky.
i also am out of practice-- and the Ebonite was pluged and redrilled - i got it cheap-- the did not move the thumb just drill the fingers -- could not tel you the layout.
So it is a flip of the coin and 20-30 more or less.
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I'm personally a huge fan of the iq tour solid and the fusion. I roll the tour solid90% of the time I bowl and my gf rolls the fusion around the same amount.
Tour solid is very smooth and predictable and strong enough to use from start to finish. I found the hyroad to be more of a lighter condition ball.
The fusion has a similar midlane read with just a pinch more pop in the backend than the solid.
Honestly can't go wrong with either.
Also both take to surface adjustments extremely well
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When ever I threw the Ebonite above 17 standing on the 7th and shooting the 8-9 board it would just slide past the pocket -- it did not break and make it to the pocket but when i moved two boards to the left 9 and threw 8- 9 at 16.5 - i would ake the pocket and get lucky.
Let's see so your standing on the 7 to 9 boards that places your lay down point a few boards right still and your shooting at the 8-9 boards.
So your basically just throwing a straight ball at the pocket, across the driest part of the lane.
the Storm IQ Fusion is low RG oiler hardly for that shot. So unless your going to move left and start playing in the oil and swing the ball little bit.
The Byte is a pearl at least for Dry-Medium Oil would be better where your playing.
A Storm Lights Out would be cheaper than the Byte.
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Thank you Al-- Yes I would really have to amke an adjustment as I am learning-- that is what i played with my Maroon Hammer 20 yrs ago so old habits are hard to break-- I think I am going to go with a something like the lights out or Hyroad-- the Byte and Fusion can wait until I am ready to get serious about the game again and understand a little more about the new technology and applying it to my game.
I was contacted by a Storm staffer who suggested the same thing. So i am going to go to the proshop with enough information to make a semi- educated decision.
One things for sure I know alot about what I don't know!
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So after all is said and done ended up with a Zero Gravity. Having it drilled tonight and picking up tomorrow.
Thank you all for your help. Son got an Assassin-- that should be interesting,
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Haha! You crack me up. I'm the same way though.
My Father-in-law bought that same ball a couple of months ago, he was also away from the game for many years, and he is bowling really well with it.
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I am having a really hard time finding out what fits me best--
I think it's because I am not communicating with the pro properly-- Like I stated I went back to the pro at my local lanes, who doesn't measure off the PAP-- he just gives you a layout that he thinks will fit you best.
Well I am getting a little better action from the zero gravity-- not much more then the ebonite source-- needless to say I am not happy
My son going from the cyclone to the assassin is happy -- because now the ball does the work, he does not have to come over on the ball to make it move. He shot an inside line over the 3rd arrow and an outside line over or between the first and second arrow and got a nice angle to the pocket both ways shot 197-176-164-- he's a 134 average.
I on the other had had the 164 average-- yes that appears like I am new, which I am-- but not happy shooting 191, 162, 157--
What's the saying "Its not the arrow its the Indian" starting to think that's right.
I can visualize the shot i want to shoot but the pro-- is visualizing the shot he thinks I should shoot. He is not listeing or I am not communicating correctly. I specifically asked for he to drill the Gravtity aggressive so that I get more snap then arc -- I know-- go with a High Polished- High flare - asymetical ball with a low RG.
But cannot figure this out-- Ask one pro- go with the Bite- try to be loyal to my house pro get a soft layout that is not what I want -- even after asking him to make it more of a sport shot then a house shot. $600 into balls in the past two weeks (for my son and I) and I am still not happy.
Not giving up though-- I am going to another proshop -- to find some one that will listen and not give me a label drill layout- telling me he's giving me a mercedes and then I find out it has a Honda engine--
Still searching-- But know I am going in with a little information which is dangerous!-- LOL
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Get a lesson. Buying more balls isn't the answer at this point. At 165 you aren't being held back by ball reaction.
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Yes, find a coach!
Balls and layout don't automatically make you a better bowler. If you want a pro reaction, you have to have a pro release.
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Can you please explain to me what a coach is going to do to help me? Not being sarcstic.
I have consitent speed for the most part- hit my mark within about 4-5 boards. I can and have adjust my stance on the approch and my line with the changing lane conditions. I know that I am a stroker.
So what other variables am I missing. I stated that I was a 164 average because as a new bowler with todays technology I am. But in reality- I have been bowling for 40 years- just not in a league.
I can and have shot 650- 637- 628- and this was just ina fun league with my kid using an old Hammer Duece and a used Ebonite Source-- that was not drilled using my PAP- or CG-- just a label layout by a proshop owner you drills by feel and experience, not taking into account how I bowl-- he maybe watched me bowl once- for four minutes on dry conditions with a 15 year old ball--
Everyone has been nice enough to help me and suggest balls based on the limited information I can provide because I don't know my rev rate or axis point or CG.
LOL-- I am just an old fart - who is trying to understand how the technology pertains to maximizing my potential based on the balls surface, and layout-- I am not going so deep to compare cores or adjustments with pads according to the changing lane conditions.
The one pro who watched me bowl-- is not the house pro at my lanes-- yet he had the best read and watched me bowl-- so that is why I am speaking about bals and layouts.
I have used Hammer Duece, a used Ebonite Source and a used Zero Gravity. Three completely different ball, the source and gravity were drilled by the proshop owner who doesn't watch me bowl-- does not find out the PAP just uses a label layout.
That is why I am considering finding/ going to a this Pro, who does give lessons, buying the ball from him because he does have my PAP, CG and even if he drills me 4X2X4 it will be becasue it is forgiving for a house shot and not a Kegal pattern or PBA Championship pattern.
So I have feed the House Proshop Owner-- not a PBA pro but an owner. Who drill to what he feels you need not what will work with your style.
So please forgive my stubborness- and misspelling-- LOL-- I am pretty consistent in my stance, speed, hit my mark and getting the ball out of my hand at a consistent angle-- i am a engineer buy nature and love exploring the variables associated with everything-- that is what I do--
That is why I think at this point i have to listen to the PBA proshop owner-- who understand what ball would work best for my house shot, based on my release, speed etc.
I shot those games I listed in about eight minutes per game trying out differnt lines - first arrow, between first and second, stand and going over the third.
So will the PBA proshop owner be the difference becasue they can not only assist in improving my game but drill the ball to give me proper angle to the pocket at the right breakpoint with enough skid to have energy on the back end so I can throw six or seven in a row easily as opposed to modifing my swing speed to get the ball to react the way it should?
So what else do I need to know from the coach? again not being sarcastic
Thanks
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Can you please explain to me what a coach is going to do to help me? Not being sarcstic.
I have consitent speed for the most part- hit my mark within about 4-5 boards. I can and have adjust my stance on the approch and my line with the changing lane conditions. I know that I am a stroker.
So what other variables am I missing. I stated that I was a 164 average because as a new bowler with todays technology I am. But in reality- I have been bowling for 40 years- just not in a league.
I can and have shot 650- 637- 628- and this was just ina fun league with my kid using an old Hammer Duece and a used Ebonite Source-- that was not drilled using my PAP- or CG-- just a label layout by a proshop owner you drills by feel and experience, not taking into account how I bowl-- he maybe watched me bowl once- for four minutes on dry conditions with a 15 year old ball--
Everyone has been nice enough to help me and suggest balls based on the limited information I can provide because I don't know my rev rate or axis point or CG.
LOL-- I am just an old fart - who is trying to understand how the technology pertains to maximizing my potential based on the balls surface, and layout-- I am not going so deep to compare cores or adjustments with pads according to the changing lane conditions.
The one pro who watched me bowl-- is not the house pro at my lanes-- yet he had the best read and watched me bowl-- so that is why I am speaking about bals and layouts.
I have used Hammer Duece, a used Ebonite Source and a used Zero Gravity. Three completely different ball, the source and gravity were drilled by the proshop owner who doesn't watch me bowl-- does not find out the PAP just uses a label layout.
That is why I am considering finding/ going to a this Pro, who does give lessons, buying the ball from him because he does have my PAP, CG and even if he drills me 4X2X4 it will be becasue it is forgiving for a house shot and not a Kegal pattern or PBA Championship pattern.
So I have feed the House Proshop Owner-- not a PBA pro but an owner. Who drill to what he feels you need not what will work with your style.
So please forgive my stubborness- and misspelling-- LOL-- I am pretty consistent in my stance, speed, hit my mark and getting the ball out of my hand at a consistent angle-- i am a engineer buy nature and love exploring the variables associated with everything-- that is what I do--
That is why I think at this point i have to listen to the PBA proshop owner-- who understand what ball would work best for my house shot, based on my release, speed etc.
I shot those games I listed in about eight minutes per game trying out differnt lines - first arrow, between first and second, stand and going over the third.
So will the PBA proshop owner be the difference becasue they can not only assist in improving my game but drill the ball to give me proper angle to the pocket at the right breakpoint with enough skid to have energy on the back end so I can throw six or seven in a row easily as opposed to modifing my swing speed to get the ball to react the way it should?
So what else do I need to know from the coach? again not being sarcastic
Thanks
I stopped reading after "I hit my within 4-5 boards". Thats a significant variance. I would work on that first. In another post you mentioned $600 on new balls? So the ZG and Assassin were $300 each?
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Well sorry abiut the four or five bord but that about were I shoot and make all(most my spares)
Assassin $210- Son
Gravity $130 - Me
Source- 105 Me
WD- $90 Son
Yeah--$550 --
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that PAP isnt a PAP. that sounds more like a layout. we need more information to give a ball recommendation. what lane conditions are you seeing. what is your source doing that you like or dont like. do you want a replacement forthe source or a compliment?
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Can you please explain to me what a coach is going to do to help me? Not being sarcstic.
I have consitent speed for the most part- hit my mark within about 4-5 boards.
I am pretty consistent in my stance, speed, hit my mark and getting the ball out of my hand at a consistent angle--
Missing your mark by 4-5 boards isn't considered "hitting your mark" or being consistent.
That's what coach is going to help with. Things like form, timing, release etc.
Balls and layouts don't fix things like release and missing your mark.
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You are lacking the consistency needed for the ball or layout to matter. You are not being realistic in how consistent you are and think a ball or layout is going to be the solution. It isn't.
A good coach will work within your physical ability to get the body into better positions to be able to roll the ball more consistently. I can guarantee what you think you feel is far from what is actually happening.
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I agree-- I cannot worry about the ball and the snap or arc if I cannot hit a mark consistently-- i just got back from the lanes and while I did hit the second arrow about 80-85% of the time standing anywhere from the 5 to 10th , i was not consistent on the back end or with my speed,
I threw 5 balsl open, 5 balls cranked, 5 balls cupped and 5 balls straight or flat-- i consistently left the 8 pin on shots where i hit a light pocket, i left 10 pins on high pocket shots and maybe 7 or 8 of my 18 strikes over 3 games were real pocket shots that cleared the deck
i've used the Source, the Zero Gravity and the Hammer Deuce-- one each game ZERO OIL on brand new synthetic lanes. i still like my Deuce from the corner with a slight curve-- even thought the ball must have 300 games on it- LOL
The only thing I can truely say is that I feel best throwing smooth and easy opposed to fast with a high back swing more control i guess.
So I am going to wait, get a few lessons, see how the new lanes react and what similar style bowlers are throwing. Then find someting forgiving that i feel comfortable with and let that PBA pro give me the lessons and drill my new ball when its the right time.
How does that sound?
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A new ball is not going to equate into higher scores. The only things that improve scores is correct practice. You should be hitting your mark +/- one board over 90% minimum. IMO a premium ball could be causing more harm than good at this point for you.
Get some coaching, books, look for seminars to attend. Most seminars around here are Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Some will video your game before, and after to show you the improvement in your game.
Practice, sub in a different league. Put time into fundamentals like approach, swing plane, fee arm swing, etc. You may think the ball is the key to better scores, but it is practice, practice and more practice.
You can buy a gi and black belt, but that doesn't make you an expert in martial arts.
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OK-- Phase two- i am into project managment so Phase two is appropriate for me.
Took my first lesson-- Yes lesson-- the pro watched me bowl for about 10 minutes. I used a Zero Gravity-- here are the measurements as I understand them-- the ball was drill 5 1/8 over 1"up? Zero/Zero angle on the thumb-- 4x4x3 1/2 layout-- this is the way the pro who drilled it measured it up. -- don't know why. it's a used ball.
1. Moved me forward on the approach to a little behind the second dots and made me stand on the 10th board and through over the 8th. He stated that I was reaching and not getting to the line,when I stood on the back dots-- my foot would end up about 12" away from the foul line and he explained that I was reaching. Hard to adjust to taking smaller step, but work in progress.
2.Then he took my ball and drilled the thumb plug 3/16th both ways?Sanded what was left of the thumb plug. He wanted the thumb to come out of the ball first. Apparently, I release the ball with my thumb sideways. Thus starting to spin too early and not skid, roll, and curve-- my ball was curving to early and loosing energy beacuse the breakpoint was too early.
He said my timing and balance were very good and I was within 2-3 boards consitently-- Out of 10 balls i through after the adjustments he said four were goos shots (4 Strikes)-- four were acceptable (3 Stikes and an 10 pin) and two that I just did not focues --( One gutter and the other came accross the brooklyn side leaving a mess.
He also spoke of Bill Talyor -- the drilling guru and that Surface, Surface, Surface were the keys to the game and the obstacles were the lane conditions. The Surface determines using the proper ball or adjustment to the lane condition. The lane condition are ever changing so the quicker I learn to read the conditions the faster adjustment I can make. If the ball is going right move right -- if the ball is going left move left.
So went out today to pratice-- High 224 Low 176-- danced all around the approch to find a comfort zone with the new shorter approach. Continued to let the ball out side way on my release-- but when I did concentrate and the thumb came out first -- i felt the finish with my body and hand position and cleaned the deck!
thank you all for your help.
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Just an update-- i placed one or two post on the site asking about balls, drilling layouts etc. I recieved great advice--"Take Lessons" basically becasue I prefaced everything with the fact that I had not bowled in 20 years and held a 164 average -- which mean i was placed in the beginner catergory, and rightfully so-- so one month later, watching the better bowler at my house -- I realized -- ahhh yes -- bowling throw the ball hit the pins and adjust.
So now 4 weeks into the league -- I have a 193 average--yes 30 pins better with a 735 high series and 264 high game.
I am using the IQ fusion as a marker and the Zero Gravity and Hammer Legend as my ain balls -- when the lane breaks down I just shoot the IQ of the five board and snap it back nicely. I also have new shoes-- LOL
So after driving myself crazy with Flare,PAP, diff Asy vs sym it really just can down to getting a few good balls -- have someone watch me-- and trustig my shot.
So thank you all who helped and even those of you who basically called me a ***^^%$ for worring so much about the balls when I could not possibly be a decent bowler becasue I had a 164 average.
Oh yeah-- hell of a spare Friday night -- 4-7-9-10-- Sweet
So as i see is acustom when people start thier post
Zero Gravity
Hammer Legend
IQ Fusion
Duece II for ten pins
Bowling is not a sport it is a state of mind-- LOL
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Just an update-- i placed one or two post on the site asking about balls, drilling layouts etc. I recieved great advice--"Take Lessons" basically becasue I prefaced everything with the fact that I had not bowled in 20 years and held a 164 average -- which mean i was placed in the beginner catergory, and rightfully so-- so one month later, watching the better bowler at my house -- I realized -- ahhh yes -- bowling throw the ball hit the pins and adjust.
So now 4 weeks into the league -- I have a 193 average--yes 30 pins better with a 735 high series and 264 high game.
I am using the IQ fusion as a marker and the Zero Gravity and Hammer Legend as my ain balls -- when the lane breaks down I just shoot the IQ of the five board and snap it back nicely. I also have new shoes-- LOL
So after driving myself crazy with Flare,PAP, diff Asy vs sym it really just can down to getting a few good balls -- have someone watch me-- and trustig my shot.
So thank you all who helped and even those of you who basically called me a ***^^%$ for worring so much about the balls when I could not possibly be a decent bowler becasue I had a 164 average.
Oh yeah-- hell of a spare Friday night -- 4-7-9-10-- Sweet
So as i see is acustom when people start thier post
Zero Gravity
Hammer Legend
IQ Fusion
Duece II for ten pins
Congrats in your success. Hope you continue to be satisfied with your choices and have many more high scores.
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I started to jump in without reading all your posts, so let me apologize up front. It sounds like you were a 190 average in the early 90's. I still think a mid price ball will fill your needs, but if you are still looking at the Fusion or the Byte, I would take the Fusion. Modern balls will give you a bit more carry than the urethane you were probably throwing then, but a tamer reactive is more likely to allow you to stay out in the dry area on a house shot, which seems to be your comfort zone.
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Thanks-- I did stay with the Zero Gravity that I got used-- Nie ball - really hits hard-- still trying to work out my position on the approach-- Pro wanted me to move up so that I finished closer to the foul line-- seems to work but I am taking a little stutter step and it has made my spare shooting a little challenging.
So the Zero and the Legend are a toss up on during the frist two games the Legend being new gets a little better angle to the pocket and finishes nicely, The IQ Fusion is great when the lanes dr up -- third game-- can still shot the same line and get good results
So as I have seen on the site
Arsenal
Zero gravity
Hammer Legend
Storm IQ fusion
Storm Duece really old ball but love it for spare shooting
Having a wonderful time - team is 26 and 2 after four weeks-- lost to a team where two 160 averages shot 230 games and were getting 61 pins-- tough loss--
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Legend and Fusion are both great balls. One word of advice. Changing balls to try and hold the same line is seldom effective. You need to follow the oil in as they dry out. This move may entail a ball change along with the move, but make the move first.
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Thank you will try next bowling night