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Title: Never tried Storm
Post by: Jay on September 27, 2008, 09:39:45 AM: Like the topic says I've never had a Storm ball. But the stuff from the passed two years are impressive enough to me. Anyways, at some point I want to try a Storm ball. The spot in my arsenal I'd be looking to fill is a Medium-Heavy oil ball that will give me a pronounced move at the breakpoint for good entry angle. My Rival is my strongest ball and handles a bit heavier than medium so I'm just looking for a good step above that. The think is, I feel the Dimension is too much and the Gravity Shift is not enough for what I'm looking for. I was think of a Secret Agent but it's discontinued and by the time I'm ready to buy it they may be hard to find. That leads me to the T-Road Solid. I have a drilling in mind already but I know it's at least going to be pin up to get that pop on the back, and I'd probably end up taking the ball to 4000 or 1000/2000 with a light coat of polish.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Monster Pike on September 27, 2008, 05:45:23 PM: I really like my Attitude Shift. Very under rated in my opinion but it works for me. It's an assymetric, but that's what I match up w/the best. Should be able to fill your need.
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Stormkid84 on September 27, 2008, 06:01:01 PM: I agree 100% with Pike. Additude Shift. Or a Dimesion can do the same. I find mine to be pretty angular.
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: strikestriketapped on September 27, 2008, 06:19:25 PM: Attitude Shift.
Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Cobalt Bomb on September 27, 2008, 06:34:01 PM: Attitude shift. They are still available and relatively cheap now.
Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: StormFreak5552 on September 27, 2008, 07:04:37 PM: Just found tried my attitude shift today, shot 30 pins over my average each game. 100% agree with pike on this one.
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Jay on September 27, 2008, 07:59:27 PM: My only doubts about that ball are the fact that I don't know much about it because I haven't seen very many, and the ones I have seen I can't base a decesion off of because they're not in good hands. Plus, to put it bluntly, I've heard it's the worst of the bunch.

Also, I've never had much success with asymmetrics. And now that I like to choose my own layouts, I'm a bit unsure as to what pin-PAP distance I'd want on an asymmetric(I use dual angle). Certainly longer ones haven't done me much good on them.

No one would second the T-Road Solid?
Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: River700 on September 27, 2008, 08:07:51 PM: I will second the t-road solid, because of the awesome core that it has and also the r2s cover, it will fit what your looking for perfectly, it should be just above your rival. You could also try to get a special agent, that has some good role and pop especially with pin up. Hope that helps.

Have you talked to your ball driller about this yet?
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Jay on September 27, 2008, 08:33:24 PM: Yeah the T-Road has the same cover as the Attitude Shift but comes with a proven symmetric core. I'm not trying to knock the Attitude Shift as I'm sure it'd give me the read I'm looking for as well. But since there's a symmetric option I think that's safer

River, yeah I've asked my driller what options from Storm could go above my Rival and give some good backend as well. First he brought up the Dimension but I did not want to go that strong. He also mentioned the Shift or Gravity Shift but being pearl(even particle) and polished I still didn't think those covers would be enough ball. They'd be more of an alternate ball reaction to my rival on the same condition IMO. I mentioned the Secret Agent but I can't remember what he said about it. The last ball he recommended was the T-Road Solid and I liked the idea. Just wanted to make sure it'd give the reaction I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: charlest on September 27, 2008, 09:00:47 PM: Because of how I have seen the Dimension act AND because it was designed by Hank Boomershine, the same guy who designed the Cell, it should be the Dimension. If it's too strong, drilling a longer pin to PAP than normal will reduce the flare and overall hook. This ball is/will a BIG part of Storm's 2009 success. Betcha it plays a part in Storm staffers' success on tour also, just the way the Cell did.
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Stormkid84 on September 27, 2008, 09:07:17 PM: IMHO, the T-Road Solid is not a good call. Not very sharp off the spot, even with polish. The ball is a strong arc. I have 3 and it is my favorite ball, but you said you want angle. The Dimesion is more angular and symetrical.
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Jay on September 27, 2008, 09:23:06 PM: You sure the T-Road Solid can't be somewhat angular? I know it's not a "turn the corner" type of ball but I imagine getting some angle would be possible with a pin up drilling and possibly a higher grit and/or polish. It seems to have a decent amount of backend, as I wouldn't call it smooth either. This is what I've gathered from watching videos on it. I admit the AS probably has more backend but a little more backend takes a backseat to symmetrics for me. As for the Dimension, it's normally too strong for what I'm looking for, and I don't plan to spend the kinda money that ball is worth to force a weaker reaction that I can get out of something cheaper.

Whatever ball I get, it's going to be a while from now so I'm really just brainstorming. However it seems my options are T-Road Solid and Attitude Shift. If I absolutely had to get the latter for the sake of any angularity, I'd need some help laying it out(mostly pin distance).
Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: charlest on September 27, 2008, 09:30:11 PM: Irretrievably stuck on the T-Road, are we??
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: n00dlejester on September 27, 2008, 11:08:13 PM: Get the Dimension. Mine's not exactly a skid snap ball, but it creates great entry angle. Light hits almost always carry. I think that's the ball you're looking for.
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: HangingBananas on September 27, 2008, 11:32:11 PM: hey strike dom i have a barely used secret agent for sale or trade if u are interested?

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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: StormFreak5552 on September 28, 2008, 12:23:33 AM: If you think the Gravity is not enough ball with the polished finish, it's not that hard to bring it down to a sanded finish so it picks up earlier. Maybe try a 1000 grit abralon and see how it goes. Tweak the R2X coverstock to your liking and give it a go.
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Monster Pike on September 28, 2008, 12:55:02 AM: quote:
Plus, to put it bluntly, I've heard it's the worst of the bunch.

Okay.... but who did you hear that from & did they explain why? If you don't match up w/asyms, that's okay. Maybe the Rapid Fire Solid is the answer then. But hey, if you have your heart set on the T-Road Solid, then go for it. Sounds like that's what you wanted to begin with & you wanted reinforcement for that decision. Personally, I don't have one. I have a Special Agent, Dimension, & Attitude Shift, but the Special Agent's been discontinued. So Buy yourself the TRoad. Go w/your gut. But you've heard about 5 people that loved their Attitude. Good luck.
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Jay on September 28, 2008, 02:40:45 AM: Well to be honest I'm not sure if it's asymmetrics I don't match up with or something else. But I haven't had a single asymmetric work for me. The fact that they were Ebonite might have something to do with it(Big One, No Limit, Angular One, SR300) in the sense that I don't match up with them well. Although, I have a feeling except for the Big One it could have been a layout problem as well. They all had 4 1/2" pins or more except for the Big One which could be a bad thing for me on asymmetrics. The only ball that I can say I actually liked was the Whirl Wind, and that happens to be symmetric. Anyways, it could also be a layout problem or even a pearl thing but it's all hard to say.

As for the Rapid Fire Solid, I don't see that one being stronger than my Rival, at least not quite to the degree I'm looking for if at all. Dulling the Gravity Shift some has come across my mind, but I'd rather get the Attitude because at least it's a Solid, where the Gravity is asymmetric AND pearl(which I may not match up with). Plus I'm not confident enough that even with a little dulling the Gravity would fit this bill in terms of hook potential, despite its cover.

I'm still considering the Attitude Shift in case anyone thought otherwise. You guys are starting to convince me of how good the ball can be. I would just need a little help with the pin distance. My first instinct is 4". Since I use dual angle and I want angularity somewhere between 3-4" makes sense to me.

Oh, and my driller is the one that told me the Attitude is bad. He didn't go into any detail but I believe he just said something along the lines of it rolling bad. But I bet he hasn't seen a lot of them in action either.

HB, thanks for the offer but I'll have to pass at this time.
Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: hjk246 on September 28, 2008, 03:32:08 AM: If you are interested in the secret agent bowlingball.com has them for sale on ebay and they are going cheap.I bought a spitfire and a sure fire and both were less than 40.00 NIB.They are the first Storm balls that I have bought and I am very impressed with them.Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Stormkid84 on September 28, 2008, 03:21:57 PM: As I stated before, I have 3 T-Road solids. None of them are very angular. In order I would have to say Dimension, Attitude Shift, then lastly T-Road solid in order of angle. My Attitude it much more angular and its pin down under middle, and my pin up over middle T-Road is a true arc. Just some feedback for ya.
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Jay on September 28, 2008, 06:22:50 PM: Thanks kid. Does anyone have an opinion on the Secret Agent for this reaction? If I am able to get one that'd probably be my preference. From what I've seen it can be kinda angular, more than the T-Road. I never even knew about the Special Agent until a couple months ago. Not sure what that ball is like but I know the Double was smooth.
Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: HangingBananas on September 28, 2008, 06:50:26 PM: secret agent is still available if anyone wants it?

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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Jay on September 28, 2008, 06:58:30 PM: Thanks fex, the Special Agenet sounds a lot like the T-Road Solid from how you describe it and how others describe their T-Road. So the Secret Agent sounds like the better option of the three. I've seen two of them thrown by different people, it seems to be the reaction I'm anticipating. But anyone else that's seen or thrown it can chime in.
Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: River700 on September 28, 2008, 07:05:00 PM: I have seen one thrown, it was smooth, but it was thrown by a stroker and up the boards so not sure if that helps. Now the secrent agent because of the pearl hybrid cover will be smoother than the special agent, but that depends on how you drill it, the surface that is on the ball and how a person throws it. Both balls secrent and special will be stronger than your rival. If you want a little more pop at the backend then the secrent agent would be fine, but if you want a little more midlane with a larger hook then the special agent will work for that. Hope this helps
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: River700 on September 28, 2008, 07:12:56 PM: I forgot to add that putting the pin above your fingers and like 2k abralon would make the ball turn a little more on the backend or 4k abralon would be just a little more. But, how much oil are you going to be using your new ball on?
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Title: Re: Never tried Storm
Post by: Jay on September 29, 2008, 12:23:16 AM: Medium-Heavy, as in, more than medium, less than Heavy. Some people midinterpret that as any condition from medium to heavy. Also long oil when I run into it. That's why I wanted something with some pop. I think the Secret Agent can handle that. I'm somewhat of a tweener so a stroker throwing a ball isn't much of an indication especially if they had more forward roll and how it was drilled. The Secret Agent is Solid Particle and Pearl Reactive hybrid if I'm not mistaken. One of my previous teammates has one drilled pin up and I like what I saw out of it.

So if someone can confirm that the ball will handle Medium-Heavy oil that'll be the ball I get when I'm ready. If I can't get ahold of one I guess the Attitude will be my next choice.