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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: militant02 on February 05, 2015, 10:09:02 PM

Title: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: militant02 on February 05, 2015, 10:09:02 PM
......do you think that storm will release the zero gravity gold or a hybrid version of the zero gravity stateside? do you think that they will let the concept of a weaker asymmetrical fade away? from what i gathered from a lot of bowlers that had the zero is that the coverstock was too strong for it to be a medium condition ball but the core wasn't strong enough for it to be a heavier oil ball unless the surface was changed to a lower grit finish. what were your thoughts of the zero gravity and would you want a pearlized version of it if it were released?
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: billdozer on February 05, 2015, 10:22:13 PM
No clue, I dont really dig mine.  I assume something beefy is coming..
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: SVstar34 on February 05, 2015, 10:33:30 PM
I've seen quite a few Zero Gravitys around and no one I know likes it that much. It was an interesting release at first but it never came close to the hype.

I know a lot of people who would be lining up at Storm's feet if they brought back the Virtual Gravity Nano.

Storm's next releases after the Crux Pearl and Rocket will be either new Breeze colors or new Breeze replacement and a high end ball. At least that's what normally seems to happen around June. I'm thinking optimus solid
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: Gene J Kanak on February 06, 2015, 07:21:55 AM
Personally, I LOVE my Zero Gravity. It's a perfect medium to medium-heavy ball. I actually used mine to replace my IQ Tour Solid. When thrown side by side, the Zero Gravity is just a touch longer than the Tour, and it's much more continuous. When I threw the Tour, I always felt like I was playing defense. When I throw the Zero Gravity, I am in attack mode even if the conditions are tough.

I think the "problem" with the Zero Gravity was the difference between expectations, which are largely fueled by marketing, and reality. The Zero wasn't an oil monster like the Nano. For me, it was actually very similar to my old Special Agent. In any event, if you can get one at closeout prices, I would recommend giving it a try as your benchmark ball or maybe just one step above it. From league patterns to 1 to 1 ratio Sport patterns, I've found my Zero Gravity to be much, much more usable than a lot of other pieces in my bag.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: charlest on February 06, 2015, 07:52:33 AM
......do you think that storm will release the zero gravity gold or a hybrid version of the zero gravity stateside? do you think that they will let the concept of a weaker asymmetrical fade away? from what i gathered from a lot of bowlers that had the zero is that the coverstock was too strong for it to be a medium condition ball but the core wasn't strong enough for it to be a heavier oil ball unless the surface was changed to a lower grit finish. what were your thoughts of the zero gravity and would you want a pearlized version of it if it were released?

Bowlers are generally too damned STUPID to read; so they never realized that the ZG was designed to be a Nano for medium to medium-heavy oil, just like Gene describes.
So they expected this to be just another "I can now cover 58 boards and out-hook everyone else on the lanes" type of Storm ball.
So, of course, they blamed the ZG as a bad ball; not themselves. "Bowlers" now seem to require balls like the Nano, or Crux or Jackal or Guru to play what is actually a light oil pattern.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: MrNattyBoh on February 06, 2015, 08:05:21 AM
I just had a used Zero plugged and redrilled. It gives me a reaction I have not seen in my arsenal of brunswick equipment. It allows me to get inside and swing it with the big boys! Honestly though, it is a good 6-8 boards stronger than the rest of my equipment. So glad i got this ball!
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: Good Times Good Times on February 06, 2015, 08:20:38 AM
"Bowlers" now seem to require balls like the Nano, or Crux or Jackal or Guru to play what is actually a light oil pattern.

^^^^^^^^^^^

There is quite a bit of truth to this and it (this mindset) has always perplexed me.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: MrNattyBoh on February 06, 2015, 08:40:52 AM
i dont get that either......for leagues i have never used a high end hook monster. The mid-low end equipment seems to work just fine for me. I did buy the Mystic Aura from brunswick which was a high end piece but I didnt pay high end price for it.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: Gene J Kanak on February 06, 2015, 11:03:17 AM
I think that mindset is part of the reason why you're seeing more and more manufacturers use hybrids, weaker surface grits, etc. on their high end hook monsters. They know that the average joe wants the ball to hook on league conditions, so they're actually allowing that to happen rather than making stuff that burns up at 5-feet unless on a lake of oil. Don't get me wrong; the new stuff is still hella-strong, usually much too strong for most bowlers on house patterns. Still, they're making it more usable, which makes the GP quite happy. After all, who wants to pay $225 or more for a ball they can never use?
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: billdozer on February 06, 2015, 11:17:53 AM
Idk I can't find a pattern it works well on, I can line up several different ways.  I am thrilled to have equipment that I don't need to bag during a set becuase its not Ãœber strong...like my sinister, rolls well and is not overly strong.  Now my zero....I just dont know.

After thinking about it I want to say 2/20 bowlers in my area that have it, actually like it.  One lefty and one right...
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: Gene J Kanak on February 06, 2015, 11:34:44 AM
It took me a few sets to get used to the Zero because, more than anything, I'm not used to a solid giving me that combination of easy push and strong, smooth backend. Again, it reminds me of the Special Agent, which was also incredibly versatile in my hands and offered more backend than any solid I've ever thrown.

Bill, I find the IQ Tour to react the way you describe the Zero, at least on THS. I think the IQ Tour Solid is good on tough patterns, but it definitely isn't a ball that gives me the right kind of shot shape to really attack a pattern. Again, I guess it just comes down to expectations and/or bowler preferences.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: LookingForALeftyWall on February 06, 2015, 11:52:30 AM
For me the Zero Gravity comes out on heavier THS patterns (not often) and longer sport shots.  The core keeps the cover from expending too much energy when back end is key.  Being a somewhat speed dominant lefty and trying to get a pearl to read on longer patterns is not something that comes easy for me.  The ZG actually was a godsend for playing patterns like London and Mexico City where I needed some bite but also needed energy retention.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: northface28 on February 06, 2015, 04:32:46 PM
I think that mindset is part of the reason why you're seeing more and more manufacturers use hybrids, weaker surface grits, etc. on their high end hook monsters. They know that the average joe wants the ball to hook on league conditions, so they're actually allowing that to happen rather than making stuff that burns up at 5-feet unless on a lake of oil. Don't get me wrong; the new stuff is still hella-strong, usually much too strong for most bowlers on house patterns. Still, they're making it more usable, which makes the GP quite happy. After all, who wants to pay $225 or more for a ball they can never use?

Gene, "hybrid" is all marketing, its doesnt matter.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: Rightycomplex on February 06, 2015, 06:01:30 PM
The Zero Gravity is a HP psuedo AAsym. Its designed for Straighter angles on Heavy THS or Sport Patterns. I love mine when the angles are closed down. Once I start to move in, it goes back in the bag because unless you are Belmonte, it'll react like a symmetrical and roll out.

It has it's place.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: Impending Doom on February 07, 2015, 02:06:37 PM
When it comes to this ball, the only thing I can think of is the War Eagle (and now the Break Down, which is even closer to the Zero spec wise than the War Eagle) where it's a Assym that you can play straighter with. My War Eagle is great when I can play up the lane, but if I was going to wheel more, I would use something like a Black Eagle to allow for more flare. S70 isn't nearly as strong as ERG, so it doesn't butcher the fronts as bad. I actually like the lower speced assym pieces. Makes it easier to make adjustments.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: JamminJD on February 07, 2015, 09:56:59 PM
I agree with Gene and charlest you have to use it on the medium and med heavy, I love my ZG it is a great sport pattern ball, to me it really matches up to the medium patterns so well. I am going to get another one for sure..
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: militant02 on February 08, 2015, 06:33:54 PM
rightycomplex, i could be wrong but the way that i understand it the general problem with stronger asymmetrical equipment is that they tend to lose too much energy if you try to cross a bunch of boards and will begin to hit flat. does anyone else have a different opinion?
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: spmcgivern on February 09, 2015, 08:58:14 AM
rightycomplex, i could be wrong but the way that i understand it the general problem with stronger asymmetrical equipment is that they tend to lose too much energy if you try to cross a bunch of boards and will begin to hit flat. does anyone else have a different opinion?
I think this is more of an issue of people drilling their asymmetrical equipment like their symmetrical equipment.  The stronger asyms need to be approached differently to prevent what you are talking about.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: EFFEN 10 on February 10, 2015, 07:28:04 PM
rightycomplex, i could be wrong but the way that i understand it the general problem with stronger asymmetrical equipment is that they tend to lose too much energy if you try to cross a bunch of boards and will begin to hit flat. does anyone else have a different opinion?
I think this is more of an issue of people drilling their asymmetrical equipment like their symmetrical equipment.  The stronger asyms need to be approached differently to prevent what you are talking about.
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I think that is the BIGGEST issue with people drilling asymmetrical balls. I discovered that my low tilt required SHORTER pin to pap drillings compared to my symmetrical equiptment. Prior to learning that, all my asym balls rolled and hit like crap.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: gradilonec on February 17, 2015, 04:48:51 PM
Never liked my Zero Gravity . . too strong a core for me personally.  It stays at home 99.9999% of the time.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: billdozer on February 19, 2015, 06:33:29 PM
Grip? Details!!! Please sir!
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: tkkshop on February 19, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
I put 4 games on mine when it first came out and that was it. Mine was extremely angular! I went with my favorite pin up layout and well, the guys called it the zero turn after it made 180* turns down lane!
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: billdozer on February 19, 2015, 10:09:00 PM
Haha we call it the zero carry in these parts.  It makes it to the pocket for me, doesn't matter what shot or lane condition, lane surface...no strikes lol
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: themachine300 on February 20, 2015, 01:04:44 PM
I love my zero gravity.  It's one of the best balls in my bag on all patterns except the extremes. Drilled it 5 x 50 x 40 with no extra hole
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: dmonroe814 on February 20, 2015, 01:26:12 PM
I never purchased the Zero Gravity, because I didn't think it would fit my game at the time.  I did drill one up for a younger guy in the league.  Big strong guy that is a no thumb bowler.  His average went from high 190's to 225+.  It is the only ball he uses.  There is a ball for everyone.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: Gene J Kanak on February 20, 2015, 01:42:46 PM
Like I always end up saying, it's all about matching up. There are certainly some special bowling balls here and there that just seem to be great for everyone, but most balls can be good for anyone if they are matched up properly with it. On the flip side, just about any ball can be a dog if it's not laid out properly for the bowler and/or used on the right conditions.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: ITZPS on February 20, 2015, 01:44:18 PM
Too strong of a core for you?  Lol then what can you actually throw . . ?

Never liked my Zero Gravity . . too strong a core for me personally.  It stays at home 99.9999% of the time.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: gradilonec on February 23, 2015, 08:46:59 AM
I love the iq line...im all about low rg equipment. Lol hell I ended up using my tour pearl sle on the montreal pattern ..
Too strong of a core for you?  Lol then what can you actually throw . . ?

Never liked my Zero Gravity . . too strong a core for me personally.  It stays at home 99.9999% of the time.
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: gradilonec on February 23, 2015, 08:50:52 AM
Im also the guy who likes to use his plastic and or urethane equipment ....can actually play 12-14 @ arrows with 7 at break point with my plastic on a ths
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: pjr300 on February 26, 2015, 10:15:48 PM
hopefully it will start showing up on sale soon.....with some good discounts!
Title: Re: now that the zero gravity is on closeout......
Post by: BeerLeague on March 10, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
No clue, I dont really dig mine.  I assume something beefy is coming..


Keep your eyes open for a Crux solid