I've had the Hy-Road Pearl (pin up, cg stacked), but got rid of it before I drilled my Optimus. Right now I have the Optimus and Punch Out. My Optimus is pin below the ring, cg kicked out and my Punch Out is pin above the ring, cg stacked. My Optimus is earlier and smoother than my Punch Out. From what I saw from my Hy Road Pearl when I had it, it appeared to be longer than the Optimus, but the backend didn't appear to be as sharp as my Punch Out. I hope someone that has had the Optimus and Hy-Road Pearl at the same time will chime in. I'm thinking about drilling another Hy-Road Pearl and would like to know that what I thought I remembered seeing out of the Hy-Road Pearl is correct.