Post by: tommyboy74 on June 21, 2011, 07:29:12 AM
My Anarchy has about 20 games on it currently and at first, it was a great ball. However, it was a little too touchy for the lane conditions I was bowling on. Therefore, I made a surface adjustment to 2000 grit and polish. However, when I decided that 2000 grit was worse, I brought it back to factory finish which is 1500/polished. Now, I see that the ball is skidding way too much and was not able to use it this past Sunday (my Rising Star was outhooking the Anarchy.)
Now, I do keep up on the maintenance with the ball, cleaning it after being used, and have used Powerhouse Gel on it once to do a deep clean. I don't think that it would have soaked up that much oil to need a baking at the pro shop. Also, the drilling on the ball is nearly identical to the VG Nano I have, except it doesn't have the hole at P1. Is it possible that the ball may have too much polish after 2 surface changes? If so, what is the best and safest way to remove it?
My arsenal
Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Edited by tommyboy74 on 6/21/2011 at 3:31 PM
Edited by tommyboy74 on 6/21/2011 at 3:35 PM
Post by: milorafferty on June 21, 2011, 03:36:40 PM
The only way to remove polish is by sanding.
How did you achieve the 1500 polished finish?
Post by: tommyboy74 on June 21, 2011, 03:50:48 PM
I ended up using 500 Siaair on all sides of the ball, then went to a 1500 Siaair pad on all sides of the ball. Originally wanted Abralon but the pro shop had this instead. Once this was done, I then used Storm Step 2 polish, following the directions on lightly applying it to the surface and working it into the cover. All of this was done while having the ball in my spinner.
My arsenal
Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Edited by tommyboy74 on 6/21/2011 at 3:51 PM
Post by: milorafferty on June 21, 2011, 03:56:19 PM
Skip the 1500 Siaair pad and go straight to Storm Step 2. The Step 2 will bring it to a 1500 grit finish similar to the factory.
If you want the "near" factory finish, start with a 360 grit pad on 4 sides for maybe 30 seconds a side, then 500 grit for 10 secs a side, then Storm Step 2. No further polish after the Step 2. You should be able to see some of the sanding lines from the 360 grit pad.
I suspect when you used the 1500 Siaair pad, then the Storm Step 2 you removed everything from the 500 grit pad. The ball needs those deep peaks and valleys from the lower grit to handle the oil.
Hope this helps.
Edited by milorafferty on 6/21/2011 at 3:58 PM
Edited by milorafferty on 6/21/2011 at 4:14 PM
Edited by milorafferty on 6/21/2011 at 4:15 PM
Post by: tommyboy74 on June 21, 2011, 03:58:32 PM
Thanks. I'll give it a shot and see how it works out.
My arsenal
Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Post by: tommyboy74 on June 21, 2011, 04:47:53 PM
One other question- would 500 Siaair/Storm Xtra Shine be equivalent to using 500/Storm Step 2?
My arsenal
Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Post by: milorafferty on June 21, 2011, 04:50:21 PM
I think 500 Siaair would be the same as 500 Abralon, but Storm Xtra Shine isn't the same as Storm Step 2.
Post by: slashrr69 on June 21, 2011, 04:55:58 PM
tommyboy
before sanding your bowling ball again.. 1st try taking the 1K or 1500 pad and hand turning on all sides to put some lines back on it(just to dull it up a little).. you just might find that it comes back to life.. it sounds like you just burned to much polish onto the ball.. if that does not work you can always do what was suggested earlier.. slashrr69
Post by: tommyboy74 on June 21, 2011, 04:56:57 PM
Good to know
My arsenal
Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Post by: milorafferty on June 21, 2011, 05:04:05 PM
I agree with slasher69, you should try a light touch up with the 1500 before you take another layer off your ball. 
The info I gave you was to get it back somewhat like the factory finish.
Post by: r534me on June 21, 2011, 06:49:47 PM
Post by: charlest on June 21, 2011, 08:10:25 PM
tommyboy,
milo and the crew are steering you straight.
FYI you could have used the 500 grit Siaair/Abralon and the 1500 grit Siaair/Abralon IF you followed it with a non-abrasive polish.
Storm's Step 2 is a compound or abrasive polish. It has grit in it which takes the 1500 grit level and makes it finer and finer as well as adding a level of polish. So it might have wound up being something like 2500 or 3000 grit plus polish. So small wonder it skidded too much.
Xtra Shine would work but I'm not sure what grit level would be the appropriate base inorder to wind up with "1500 grit polished". It might be 1000 grit, but I couldn't say for sure. Xtra Shine is an abrasive polish (theoretically it maxes out at 3500 grit) but it is not as abrasive as Step 2.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: storm22 on June 21, 2011, 08:27:32 PM
I had the exact same thing just happen to my VE and Anarchy. I just got a spinner last week. Went 360, 500, then Powerhouse Factory Finish. Went yesterday to practice to make sure I didn't kill the balls. They had a good turn midlane but then seemed to skid into the pins. I don't have the Storm Step 2, but would putting them on the spinner, then hitting them with a light 4000 pad help brake up the polish a bit?
Balls in the bag and order they come out:
#1/2 Nano and Anarchy #3- Virtual Energy #4- Gravity Shift #5- Big Hit (spare and really dry)
#6- Teal Rhino Pro (oldie but a goodie)
#1/2 Nano and Anarchy #3- Virtual Energy #4- Gravity Shift #5- Big Hit (spare and really dry)
#6- Teal Rhino Pro (oldie but a goodie)
Post by: Nicanor on June 22, 2011, 06:07:26 PM
Storm22,
I used Ebonites Powerhouse Factory Finish on a spinner and I'm guessing it was too much polish. So I lightly went over the ball with a 2000 Ablaron pad with water by hand across the track and then cleaned the ball with Knock Out. Its amazing how much better the ball performed.
Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Edited by Nicanor on 6/22/2011 at 6:09 PM
Post by: mediumrevs15 on June 23, 2011, 05:52:47 AM
Post by: storm22 on June 23, 2011, 06:23:48 AM
Nicanor,
I brought it down with a light sand at 2000. I'll see how it rolls on Friday. If it bites too much too early, I'll try the 4000 and see if I like that better. I think the Powerhouse Factory Finish is just too much polish. Any suggestions on a better polish? Or should I just get the Storm Step 2 and forget the polish?
Balls in the bag and order they come out:
#1/2 Nano and Anarchy #3- Virtual Energy #4- Gravity Shift #5- Big Hit (spare and really dry)
#6- Teal Rhino Pro (oldie but a goodie)
#1/2 Nano and Anarchy #3- Virtual Energy #4- Gravity Shift #5- Big Hit (spare and really dry)
#6- Teal Rhino Pro (oldie but a goodie)
Post by: TWOHAND834 on June 23, 2011, 09:16:16 AM
One of my favorite polishes I use is Rough Buff. I think Brunswick makes it. It puts more of a sheen rather than a shine. It gives just enough shine to help the ball through the heads but not enough to where it takes away from the ball doing its thing on the backend. I had a Rattler that I threw out of the box. It was almost uncontrollable for me. So I took it into the shop and hit it with 1000, then 2000, and then Rough Buff. Ball has been awesome ever since.Rough Buff may be a good substitute for Storm 2.
Peace doesnt always have to be silent.
Post by: Cobalt Bomb on June 23, 2011, 09:26:02 AM
When I need a "rough buff" type finish I use 3M Super Duty Rubbing Compound. It works great, but I rarely use it now since Abralon became popular.
Post by: stopncrank on June 23, 2011, 12:09:21 PM
I get the same thing with Ebonite polishes, its just way too much even at lower grit levels. I like Reacta-shine from Storm, its just enough to get it through the heads and doesnt kill the reaction on the backend.
Still taking your lunch money one strike at a time, just without a Mission in my bag....
Post by: r534me on June 24, 2011, 12:28:15 AM
Rough buff was my first choice but I was able to get a deal on my driller's remaining Storm 2 compound and I took that route.
Post by: r534me on June 24, 2011, 12:31:24 AM
Storm finish 2 has a polish in it. On some balls it shines them up well and other it leaves it sheen. On my cell it polished it up but on my rapid fire it's sheen. Not sure how or why that happens. It shined up my mission nicely too.
Post by: tommygn on June 24, 2011, 06:15:26 AM
It more than likely has to do with the finish you started with (number of games rolled affects the Ra values of the ball). The amount of product used, or on the towel, the type of applicator, and how much water you use will also vary your results. Also, use constant pressure.
Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
Post by: tommyboy74 on June 25, 2011, 08:56:04 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. Yesterday, I tried doing a light sanding of 1500 to see if that would help the ball recover. That did not really work well, so I ended up going to the resurfacing. I took the suggestion of 360/500 and then applied Step 2. Using the Anarchy tonight in heavy oil along with my Nano, it did have a lot more teeth in the ball and was performing better than it had been. I don't think it was the exact best condition to throw it, so hence it will go to the other house to make sure (they use a medium condition with higher friction on the backends).
I'll keep an eye on it and throw it a little more over the next few weeks to make sure the result is what I want. If it ultimately does not, then I may potentially look to trade at my pro shop for an Infinite Theory. For some reason, it seems that since I started to use hybrids several months ago, they really match up with my game (throwing between 18-22mph, between 370-400 revs and play multiple lines.) Solids have always matched up well for me, so there is no sense in changing that. The bright side: since coming back to the sport several months ago, at least I am finding this out now before the fall league season starts.
My arsenal
Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Post by: tommyboy74 on July 04, 2011, 02:54:08 PM
I have some good news. After throwing the Anarchy for the 2nd time since resurfacing it, the ball was much more consistant and performed much better than it had been. Now I threw it on a medium-heavy condition for a few games and lined up really well.
The final process with resurfacing was doing 500 Siaair, gray scotch brite pad, Storm Step 2, and then Storm Reacta Shine. Overall, it came back to life and I can find a use for it again in my bag. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions in helping me out with this.
My arsenal
Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Post by: storm22 on July 04, 2011, 07:38:17 PM
I took others advice as well. I ordered the Rough Buff and Storm Reacta Shine. Did my Anarchy with the rough buff and my VE with the Storm Reacta Shine. Must say I loved the reaction of my Anarchy after the rough buff. It was like it was brand new. I hit it with 500 pad then the rough buff. I didn't get the same reaction I was looking for from the reacta shine. I'm going to hit that one with the rough buff also and see what happens.
Tommyboy, thanks for bringing up the topic and getting a great share session going. The ideas have gotten me pointed in the right direction. Keep shootin!
Balls in the bag and order they come out:
#1/2 Nano and Anarchy #3- Virtual Energy #4- Gravity Shift #5- Big Hit (spare and really dry)
#6- Teal Rhino Pro (oldie but a goodie)
#1/2 Nano and Anarchy #3- Virtual Energy #4- Gravity Shift #5- Big Hit (spare and really dry)
#6- Teal Rhino Pro (oldie but a goodie)
Post by: tommyboy74 on July 05, 2011, 04:38:57 PM
No problem storm22. This is what we are all here for- get good ideas from others in the know to help all of us improve our games and/or equipment.
I threw the Anarchy a little more this afternoon in a practice session. This time, I purposely took it to an AMF house that still has older wood lanes/wood approaches (the 2 other AMF houses switched to synthetics.) First game, I threw the Nano because of the higher concentration of oil. However, the 2nd game, the Nano was dying out on the backends since the oil was already in transition. At this point, the Anarchy came out and the resurfacing ideas really proved their worth. I got good length, nasty backend on it, and was able to use it to go 197 (clean but couldn't strike until late), 220, and 254 for the remaining 3 games.
The big key at this place was moving left a few boards when needed because the backends were extremely dry. Also, I just needed to adjust speed a little bit when needed to keep the ball online. I basically went 16 to 8, 18 to 10, 22 to 10, and eventually did go 26 to 12 during the last game. In any case, length was key for me today. The Anarchy flat out shined.
Is it possible that I may still pick up an Infinite Theory? Yes, because I do see times where it would be useful to have a little more length than the Nano but have it read earlier than the Anarchy. However, I am glad that the ideas all of you gave helped me bring this ball back to where I wanted it.
My arsenal
Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished