Post by: Xfest on June 04, 2007, 03:57:06 PM
First of all, my girlfriend was with me tonight, so I was kind of hurrying my game up, and not focusing shot by shot. That was the first problem.
Second, me hurrying, made me miss right everytime, and on the Chameleon, I was just balls deep on the shot.
Third, I found out that my Paradigm is the most angular ball I have ever thrown. I was throwing straight up second, and the ball skidded about 40, but it had the biggest reaction I have ever seen. I left so many splits, 2-8-10's, 4 - 9, etc.. I finally had to change up to my SA to get a more smooth reaction.
What I learned tonight:
Drilling up another Special Agent. - Pin under bridge, cg kicked out.
To slow my game down, and focus shot to shot.
Not ever to bowl a 389 series in my life. Had to be the worst feeling I have ever had.
And don't let the girlfriend distract me while bowling, I had some time after bowling with her.. lol
Positive things tonight:
Picked up my first 4-9 split. I was very surprised, and Ronnie Russell bowls at the same house, and he even said great pick-up.
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Post by: renoatpikeville on June 05, 2007, 12:14:58 AM
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 05, 2007, 07:31:46 AM
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Post by: n00dlejester on June 05, 2007, 10:13:49 AM
I was playing straight up 5/6 with my Passion, but that line dried up by the middle of the second game because we were all hovering around that area of the lane. So I tried switching to my Pyro, but the ball couldn't reach the pocket in time so I took the Passion and went straight up 8/9/10 and the ball worked fine again. The craziest part about this PBA stuff is that the reactions aren't dependent on the whole lane...especially on chameleon. Each part of the lane has their own identity basically. It's so fun. And spares are huge. I ended up bowling a 153-159-226. I was doing pretty well the second game, but then my line died out and I left 3 splits in a row. Next week I think I'm going to just go for the straight up 8-10 area of the lane. I bet if that line dries up my Pyro could help me out.
Post by: Xfest on June 05, 2007, 12:55:52 PM
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I actually had my first week for PBA Experience myself, on the Chameleon also. I found a line pretty early after watching this video and reading the brochure on this link: http://bowl.com/sportbowling/pbaLaneConditions.aspx
I was playing straight up 5/6 with my Passion, but that line dried up by the middle of the second game because we were all hovering around that area of the lane. So I tried switching to my Pyro, but the ball couldn't reach the pocket in time so I took the Passion and went straight up 8/9/10 and the ball worked fine again. The craziest part about this PBA stuff is that the reactions aren't dependent on the whole lane...especially on chameleon. Each part of the lane has their own identity basically. It's so fun. And spares are huge. I ended up bowling a 153-159-226. I was doing pretty well the second game, but then my line died out and I left 3 splits in a row. Next week I think I'm going to just go for the straight up 8-10 area of the lane. I bet if that line dries up my Pyro could help me out.
Yes, that is the truth. I think my whole problem was, was that I was trying to swing the ball. With my revs, I thought I could pass through the toughest parts of the lane, and have the ball finish strong, in the end, I miss right, and I am balls deep on the shot.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on June 05, 2007, 12:58:40 PM
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Yes, that is the truth. I think my whole problem was, was that I was trying to swing the ball. With my revs, I thought I could pass through the toughest parts of the lane, and have the ball finish strong, in the end, I miss right, and I am balls deep on the shot.
I haven't gotten onto the Chameleon yet (we start bowling on that pattern this week), but in my experiences on other PBA patterns so far, nothing will bite you faster than trying to swing the ball. That's not to say you can't let it out a little, but you really leave yourself flirting with disaster by trying to open up the lanes, move left, and power the ball back to the pocket. The straighter up the boards I played, the more consistent my reaction was, the better my pin carry was, and the more comfortable I felt after a few frames.
Post by: Xfest on June 05, 2007, 01:01:08 PM
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Hehe, sometimes you know you are screwed and you just have to have fun. What other balls did you bring for the Chameleon?
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Paradigm
Special Agent
El-Nino Returns
Spare
She wouldn't let me use the el-nino, lol, she said "the are only supposed to be 3 holes in a bowling ball, I am not letting you use this one."
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Post by: JL299 on June 05, 2007, 02:38:58 PM
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Post by: Dan Belcher on June 06, 2007, 08:05:40 AM
If I got the ball right, it wouldn't hook back quite enough (left the 2-8 or worse if I got the ball right by two boards) but at least I wasn't leaving washouts. If I got the ball left a board, I hit a little extra length on the oil and the ball would skid just long enough to hit high flush pocket and trip the 4 pin. If I came out of the ball funky like I did a time or two and got it like 3 boards left, it'd hit fresh backend and hook perfectly into the Brooklyn pocket. Gotta love those nights. Too bad it wasn't in league when it mattered!!
After a 170 game just warming up and getting my footwork straightened out (very tacky approaches last night!!), I shot a 205 with opens on a chopped 5-9 and a 6-7 split. And the next game, I went front 8, softened it up just a little too much and left a 6-7-10 I missed and then fast 8 on the fill ball in the 10th for a 261. I left ONE 10 pin out of those three games. That was the ONLY single pin spare I left because my carry was just so ridiculously good.
Post by: Dan Belcher on June 06, 2007, 12:23:31 PM
1) Quite a bit of carrydown on the back end and the head oil hadn't been killed yet. Whomever was on the lanes before me mostly was throwing house balls and stuff I believe. I had lanes full of kids on either side of me (they were all doing the "ooh" and "aah" thing whenever I threw strikes--that was fun
)2) I don't get that many revs on a ball. Maybe 250rpm or so. I've gotta have something strong on pretty much any oil pattern to help me out, or the ball just isn't going to get much angle on the pocket. I threw the Spit Fire on the same shot shortly thereafter on the pair of lanes next to where I was before, and it barely got into a roll. I had to point it from the gutter and let it float into the pocket.
However, on the fresh oil we actually face in the league itself, I've heard from a couple of people in my league who have entered PBA tournaments before (i.e. Bob Hale) that the shots actually play pretty close to what they saw in the tournaments. Of course, the shot also breaks down quite a bit on the Sunday TV show with the TV lights and so forth. That's been discussed a few times as a challenge for the pros to adapt to the conditions playing different than during the week.
Edited on 6/6/2007 12:21 PM
Post by: Xfest on June 06, 2007, 04:48:58 PM
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Post by: n00dlejester on June 06, 2007, 08:24:28 PM
And speaking of oil patterns, this is bit off the topic, but in my regular handicapped league on Tuesday nights we have some really goofy shots laid down. Last night we had inCREDIBLY dry back ends. I mean my Pyro went 50 feet and then hooked the whole world. I used the Passion to have it smooth my reaction out, and it worked pretty well. By the second game though, the carry down was horrendous. It actually came to a point where my Passion would hook more in the midlane than the backend. With a shot like that, would it be wiser to move inside? And would it be wiser to go with the Passion or Pyro on something like that? Both balls could get to the pocket, but weak 7s and 10s everywhere.
Post by: bhman79 on June 06, 2007, 09:53:10 PM
Post by: Xfest on June 06, 2007, 11:00:03 PM
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Post by: n00dlejester on June 08, 2007, 06:32:57 AM
Post by: Dan Belcher on June 08, 2007, 07:52:01 AM
After that, I threw the ball better, but I had trouble lining up on my strike ball--I had no good look at the pocket for 6 or 7 frames at a time both the second and third games. I kept trying to throw straight up 9-10 and eventually 11, but the ball just was not hooking up after a few balls. The oil was carrying down so quickly there that after a few pitches, it would just stop hooking. (Everybody on my side of the house was complaining about slick lanes, everyone on the other side of the house felt the shot was kind of dry!) It was ugly. If I missed right by just a board, I would basically whiff head pin. (I left a 2-4-5-10 one time. That hurt.) I still pulled 186-194 out of those games.
However, the fourth game, I tugged a ball two boards left the whole way--I laid it down left and kept it left--and that ball rolled up HARD and missed the head pin to the left. I decided to take advantage of this new-found dry spot and moved my feet left a ton and started slightly swinging from 15 at the arrows out to 12 and threw 6 in a row before I got fast on it and left a weak 10. Shot a 224 that game.
Also, my buddy discovered the Paradigm was not a good ball for the Chameleon pattern either--he ended up getting his best look at the pocket throwing his Special Agent 15 to 12 like I was doing.
Post by: JL299 on June 08, 2007, 12:03:24 PM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 08, 2007, 12:18:15 PM
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Post by: josdavwhi on June 08, 2007, 12:30:41 PM
Post by: Xfest on June 08, 2007, 04:56:19 PM
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here is what i did with success on the chameleon, my first 2 games i played more down and in with my total inferno box finish, then in doing that i created a nice little wall to swing my paradigm off of...my first week i tried swinging my paradigm and didnt do so hot, but second week was much better, sometimes you have to think about bowling with the sense that if your shot isnt there manipulate the oil so you can atleast finish strong...thats my opinion...
Yeah, I believe I am still going to take the Paradigm along, but not use it until I really have to. I had a shot with the Special Agent, but my girlfriend was being a little dumb, and was like hey, I haven't inspected that ball, it has four holes, nope, you can't use it. lol.. I guess sometimes girls just have to win at everything.
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Post by: n00dlejester on June 08, 2007, 10:25:39 PM
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I bowled on the chameleon again last night with my shift again and the ball worked beautiful ended up shooting 701 witch is better than the 583 i bowled on this pattern last time(and yes my girlfriend didnt come this time) and tonight were bowling on the viper any suggestions???
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Nice shooting on that 701!
I think the Viper is real goofy because it has a lot of movement up front sort of. I'd say that starting off not too far left would be best since it's a shorter pattern, I bet after the carry down hits you can move inside and then just keep getting deeper and deeper as the night wears along.
Post by: JL299 on June 09, 2007, 08:20:47 AM
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Post by: n00dlejester on June 09, 2007, 09:52:33 PM
Post by: JL299 on June 09, 2007, 10:05:12 PM
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Post by: Xfest on June 09, 2007, 10:05:30 PM
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Post by: n00dlejester on June 11, 2007, 12:29:18 AM
Post by: Xfest on June 11, 2007, 12:32:44 AM
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Tomorrow night I have round 2 with the Chameleon. I can't wait to bowl on it and see how it goes. My goal is to shoot a high 500, maybe even break 600.
My goal is just to hit 500.
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Post by: Xfest on June 11, 2007, 09:23:17 PM
147-162-153 = 462.
Mostly played with the Machine all night. I had some trouble with hanging up in the ball, but tonight I was a lot more consistent.
Post by: n00dlejester on June 11, 2007, 10:37:47 PM
This time around the Chameleon was a lot like, less volume of oil. My Passion last week went straight up 10 and hit like a train...this week straight up 10 and it was crossing over. I took out my Pyro and it went longer, but the back end was insane, way too strong. I needed a ball that picked up the lane earlier, but didn't move at my toes. But when I did hit the pocket, carry percentage was pretty sweet. Pin action was crazy tonight; but my spare game was off. I think buying a plastic ball may be in order to make those pesky 1 pin spares easier.
All in all a good learning weak for having a drier midlane and a great lesson on trust, learning to trust my ball when I swing it out on a PBA shot. Next week is the Cheetah pattern, woo...I wonder what that'll be like.