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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: jman76 on January 19, 2016, 08:44:13 AM
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Have any of the staffers out there gotten their hands on either the new Phaze or Fight? Very curious about both of these new balls.
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Some have. These 2 balls are the first 2 Storm balls to interest me in almost 2 years. The Fight definitely has my attention with the high rg and strong cover.
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Want the phaze, need the fight lol
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The core of the fight is huge! The phaze is supposed to be super tacky. I watched a video on Facebook last night of chad McLean of storm picking a 16# phaze up non drilled with one hand just gripping it.
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I can read the headlines now. .......
"Best ball ever,got to have this ball in your bag........blah blah blah "
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I was leaning towards the Fight with that huge core, but something about the Phaze and it's crazy tacky cover has my eye. I saw that video yesterday too and it was wild. I'm more on the I want them than I need them.
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I saw something about the Flights huge core.....that it helps retane axis title longer. Does this help high trackers?
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Yeah I'm not sure if either are really a necessity for anyone. Depends on how strong the phaze is. If it's super tacky and has this new gripping technology the cover could be pretty strong. The fight looks good because of huge core but it's in the same line as the rocket and hyroad so there are other options in that category that are great pieces.
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Yeah I'm not sure if either are really a necessity for anyone. Depends on how strong the phaze is. If it's super tacky and has this new gripping technology the cover could be pretty strong. The fight looks good because of huge core but it's in the same line as the rocket and hyroad so there are other options in that category that are great pieces.
Are the HyRoad and Rocket 3000 grit solids? The Fight should yield a look that we haven't seen in the thunder line.
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What I was saying is that it's a good line as it sits. I never said it wasnt a good choice by storm to release a ball like that. They already have a 3000 grit solid over on the roto side. Not saying the fight can't match or better it. But still
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What I was saying is that it's a good line as it sits. I never said it wasnt a good choice by storm to release a ball like that. They already have a 3000 grit solid over on the roto side. Not saying the fight can't match or better it. But still
Storm and Roto Grip operate as 2 different companies. We have not seen a solid in the Thunder line since the HyRoad solid. And the Fight has a new cover and core combo. Something the line hasn't seen in over 2 years.
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My Fight video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLffUaNsb-Y
The Phaze rolls a lot like the Eternal Cell, it acts more like a polished solid than a pearl. Definitely a different look and feel. However, the backend transition is very different, it's slower and pretty smooth on the backend, but energy transition at the pins is pretty wild, doesn't really matter how or where the ball hits, the pins just fly. The Fight is the ball the Hyroad Solid should have been, that's the easiest way to explain it. It's a solid Hyroad, nuff said.
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I can read the headlines now. .......
"Best ball ever,got to have this ball in your bag........blah blah blah "
I know its stupid hype...but its been a minute since there was something to actually hype over!
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The Fight is the ball the Hyroad Solid should have been, that's the easiest way to explain it. It's a solid Hyroad, nuff said.
What do you mean exactly?
What was it about the Hyroad Solid that would require the release of a different ball (The Fight) in its place?
I never owned a Hyroad Solid but did throw it at a demo day and could strike from anywhere (unlike other Storm/RG balls I got to throw that day).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5TKt2vdJU0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5TKt2vdJU0)
I just found this on YouTube
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The Hyroad Solid wasn't very good. On a fresh house shot it didn't look bad, but the cover was too strong for the core, so any kind of carry down and it was back in the bag, any kind of early friction it was back in the bag, any kind of oil and it was back in the bag, it was just very condition specific. Plus it just really didn't act like the Hyroad. All the things the Hyroad was and is known for didn't happen with the Solid.
The Fight is the ball the Hyroad Solid should have been, that's the easiest way to explain it. It's a solid Hyroad, nuff said.
What do you mean exactly?
What was it about the Hyroad Solid that would require the release of a different ball (The Fight) in its place?
I never owned a Hyroad Solid but did throw it at a demo day and could strike from anywhere (unlike other Storm/RG balls I got to throw that day).
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What kind of difference will we see in the Fight vs say the IQ Nano? Big difference in core sizes and RGs; wondering with my taste towards solids if the Fight would slide in well under my Nano.
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Not as big of a difference as you might think. The Fight is actually quicker on the backend and more continuous. The Nano hooks more, but that core tends to get along better with higher rev rates, while I think that the Fight is more versatile. It's still got the control that high rev rates need, but it pops more. The Fight and the IQ Tour Solid are VERY similar, with the IQ starting up just a bit sooner and being smoother and weaker on the backend. I've never thought the IQs acted like low RG balls, and the Fight doesn't really act like a high RG ball. I can really feel the differential difference though.
What kind of difference will we see in the Fight vs say the IQ Nano? Big difference in core sizes and RGs; wondering with my taste towards solids if the Fight would slide in well under my Nano.
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I punched up a Phaze last night. Throwing it on a medium house shot, it rolls like a beefed up UpRoar for me - very controllable and predictable. It slots in between my Hyper Cell Skid and Rocket in terms of ball motion and hook potential.
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Not as big of a difference as you might think. The Fight is actually quicker on the backend and more continuous. The Nano hooks more, but that core tends to get along better with higher rev rates, while I think that the Fight is more versatile. It's still got the control that high rev rates need, but it pops more. The Fight and the IQ Tour Solid are VERY similar, with the IQ starting up just a bit sooner and being smoother and weaker on the backend. I've never thought the IQs acted like low RG balls, and the Fight doesn't really act like a high RG ball. I can really feel the differential difference though.
What kind of difference will we see in the Fight vs say the IQ Nano? Big difference in core sizes and RGs; wondering with my taste towards solids if the Fight would slide in well under my Nano.
Could you see a purpose in having both the Fight and IQ Tour? Thinking about trying one of these to be ready when it's time to retire my Victory Road Solid.
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I watched a few players locally throw a Fight and I was very impressed. Don't let numbers fool you, it looked VERY strong and continuous like the old tour power. Reminds me a Reign of Fire with 4-5 more boards continuation.
I was almost giving up on Storm as I'm not happy with my current bag of 4 storms and a 900 Global ball but the Fight looks like a must have for everyone.
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I watched a few players locally throw a Fight and I was very impressed. Don't let numbers fool you, it looked VERY strong and continuous like the old tour power. Reminds me a Reign of Fire with 4-5 more boards continuation.
I was almost giving up on Storm as I'm not happy with my current bag of 4 storms and a 900 Global ball but the Fight looks like a must have for everyone.
I'm hoping to drill up the Fight this week that came into the shop here
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I know the Fight is not out for another week, but what I really want to see is a comparison video made of the Fight and the Roto Disturbed. Yes I know the Disturbed is discontinued, but that ball has a similar diff and and slots very close to where the Fight slots. I am still getting plenty of mileage out of my Disturbed...but I know I will need something soon to replace it and Disturbeds are getting tough to find.
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Looking at the Fight. I think it looks very similar in motion to my beloved Nomad. Just saying...... If I were a betting man, I'd bet it ends up in my bag
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I think the Fight ends up in my bag as well, but probably not until next season.
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A lot of big scores will get shot with this ball. I've never seen a dull solid get through the pins like this.
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This one is really enticing because I love the Victory Road Solid, Hy-Road, and Reign of Power.
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Um, maybe. The shapes are very different. Hook potentials seem to be very similar, but the IQ is a lot smoother on the backend.
Not as big of a difference as you might think. The Fight is actually quicker on the backend and more continuous. The Nano hooks more, but that core tends to get along better with higher rev rates, while I think that the Fight is more versatile. It's still got the control that high rev rates need, but it pops more. The Fight and the IQ Tour Solid are VERY similar, with the IQ starting up just a bit sooner and being smoother and weaker on the backend. I've never thought the IQs acted like low RG balls, and the Fight doesn't really act like a high RG ball. I can really feel the differential difference though.
What kind of difference will we see in the Fight vs say the IQ Nano? Big difference in core sizes and RGs; wondering with my taste towards solids if the Fight would slide in well under my Nano.
Could you see a purpose in having both the Fight and IQ Tour? Thinking about trying one of these to be ready when it's time to retire my Victory Road Solid.
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I punched up a Phaze last night. Throwing it on a medium house shot, it rolls like a beefed up UpRoar for me - very controllable and predictable. It slots in between my Hyper Cell Skid and Rocket in terms of ball motion and hook potential.
I need something in-between my skid and thunderline!!!!!
How do you think it is compared tooooooo
The wrecker...deranged...uproar...tour fusion.. I assume on top of all em! My wood Lanes arsenal is going to be pimped out!
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I punched up a Phaze last night. Throwing it on a medium house shot, it rolls like a beefed up UpRoar for me - very controllable and predictable. It slots in between my Hyper Cell Skid and Rocket in terms of ball motion and hook potential.
I need something in-between my skid and thunderline!!!!!
How do you think it is compared tooooooo
The wrecker...deranged...uproar...tour fusion.. I assume on top of all em! My wood Lanes arsenal is going to be pimped out!
Below the Skid and above the UpRoar. I have not thrown the Wrecker, Deranged, or Tour Fusion. I only have 3 games on it but it seems like its a good transition piece from the Skid. Time will tell if my initial assessment is accurate.
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How close would the fight be to the haywire?
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The Phaze, for all intents and purposes, is the long awaited successor to the Marvel Pearl. On several different house shots in a head to head comparison, they yielded almost identical shape and motion. Factor in a slightly stronger cover to combat today's newer oils and that's the Phaze.
The Fight is a unique piece, so I am seeking some input from Callahan or Timmy Mack prior to drilling. From your perspective, I would wait for some reviews either here or on YouTube before punching one up.
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How close would the fight be to the haywire?
It's looks to be a decent step down in overall hook but more length with that RG.
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So I finally got the Fight drilled. Ended up 50 x 4 3/8 x 50 which put the pin in my ring finger. Threw it a few times to check fit and pins were flying around. I can't wait to throw it in our men's league tomorrow night
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I'm getting the Phaze drilled up tomorrow night and my girlfirend is getting the Fight drilled up as well. It will be nice to see both balls in action. I'm hoping we both get great results. I watched a YouTube video on Storm's Facebook page last night all about the Phaze and Fight. It was really interesting.
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Fot those that have the Phaze, would it be a good step down from my Lock? also how much different than the H/C Skid?
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The Phaze, for all intents and purposes, is the long awaited successor to the Marvel Pearl. On several different house shots in a head to head comparison, they yielded almost identical shape and motion. Factor in a slightly stronger cover to combat today's newer oils and that's the Phaze.
The Fight is a unique piece, so I am seeking some input from Callahan or Timmy Mack prior to drilling. From your perspective, I would wait for some reviews either here or on YouTube before punching one up.
Interesting. Every staffer and ball reviewer I've asked said the Ohaze does not roll like a Marvel Pearl. Everyone is saying it has too unique of a roll to compare to anything else. Not liking what I'm hearing so far in all honesty.
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Just watched a video on the Phaze by long time staffer Casey Murphy and his comparison was to the IQ30 edition. After comparing both balls they said the IQ30 was much stronger overall than the Phaze. Seems weird because to me the IQ30 is not an overly strong ball in the first place. So just how weak is this Phaze? Doesn't seem to be worth the big price point that it is at.
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Phaze has dud written all over it. Hope I'm wrong.
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Phaze has dud written all over it. Hope I'm wrong.
I hope not, it doesn't look like it. I'm liking my Fight right now. It wasn't quite enough ball first game. Burned a line with a stronger ball and pulled it back out for the 2nd game and shot 259, 247
I can say the Fight is really interesting. I threw a couple more games after league. It rolled great after the lanes transitioned the first time and only had to make small adjustments games 3,4,5 on the pair. After the 5th game I feel like It would have been a good time to switch to a weaker ball like a Ride/JoyRide/Loco
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After a few more games with the Phaze, I can definitively say it's a step down from the Hyper Cell Skid. It slots in below the Skid and above a Rocket that I have a motion hole layout on.
IMO, the Phaze is not the high hooking ball that some think it should be because of the "stickiness" marketing. However, it's is a very good ball for medium conditions for most bowlers. I dont think it will be a dud, it's a very good ball - it just may be a different ball than some are expecting.
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After a few more games with the Phaze, I can definitively say it's a step down from the Hyper Cell Skid. It slots in below the Skid and above a Rocket that I have a motion hole layout on.
IMO, the Phaze is not the high hooking ball that some think it should be because of the "stickiness" marketing. However, it's is a very good ball for medium conditions for most bowlers. I dont think it will be a dud, it's a very good ball - it just may be a different ball than some are expecting.
If most people are expecting one thing and get another, thats how duds happen.
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I think the Phaze is a good ball. However, this scenario is very similar to the Zero Gravity situation. Great ball, but not marketed correctly or at least the impression given from Storm was for a different reaction than what the Zero provided.
I still use a Zero and have a NIB stashed. It just wasn't the hook in the hook in the box most thought it would be.
I also remember years back to Ebonite marketing the Striking Motion ball. Similar claims on hook, and yet the ball was a medium ball at best. Great ball on anything medium, just not what most thought it would be.
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Premium price for a medium ball won't work for most guys.
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Premium price for a medium ball won't work for most guys.
That was also another problem for the Zero I think
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After a few more games with the Phaze, I can definitively say it's a step down from the Hyper Cell Skid. It slots in below the Skid and above a Rocket that I have a motion hole layout on.
IMO, the Phaze is not the high hooking ball that some think it should be because of the "stickiness" marketing. However, it's is a very good ball for medium conditions for most bowlers. I don't think it will be a dud, it's a very good ball - it just may be a different ball than some are expecting.
The main issue is that with the Optimus Pearl and the IQ Tour 30 already there for medium oil conditions + the Rocket and Sky Rocket being pretty good on Medium as well, Storm has basically 5 balls now that can over lap.
The Phase needed to be a symmetric power Pearl to slot under the Lock and eventually replace the Optimus; especially with the marketing and price point.
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After a few more games with the Phaze, I can definitively say it's a step down from the Hyper Cell Skid. It slots in below the Skid and above a Rocket that I have a motion hole layout on.
IMO, the Phaze is not the high hooking ball that some think it should be because of the "stickiness" marketing. However, it's is a very good ball for medium conditions for most bowlers. I don't think it will be a dud, it's a very good ball - it just may be a different ball than some are expecting.
The main issue is that with the Optimus Pearl and the IQ Tour 30 already there for medium oil conditions + the Rocket and Sky Rocket being pretty good on Medium as well, Storm has basically 5 balls now that can over lap.
The Phase needed to be a symmetric power Pearl to slot under the Lock and eventually replace the Optimus; especially with the marketing and price point.
But you can palm it though!
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After a few more games with the Phaze, I can definitively say it's a step down from the Hyper Cell Skid. It slots in below the Skid and above a Rocket that I have a motion hole layout on.
IMO, the Phaze is not the high hooking ball that some think it should be because of the "stickiness" marketing. However, it's is a very good ball for medium conditions for most bowlers. I don't think it will be a dud, it's a very good ball - it just may be a different ball than some are expecting.
The main issue is that with the Optimus Pearl and the IQ Tour 30 already there for medium oil conditions + the Rocket and Sky Rocket being pretty good on Medium as well, Storm has basically 5 balls now that can over lap.
The Phase needed to be a symmetric power Pearl to slot under the Lock and eventually replace the Optimus; especially with the marketing and price point.
I will wait for a pearl Lock --- I hope!
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Here's some small clips of me throwing my Fight after our men's league Wednesday. I wasn't planning on it so i was just using my phone and propped it against the handle of my bag. The outside was pretty blown up. It wasn't quite enough ball at the start of the night, but after the first transition it was great for about 4-5 games
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Here's some small clips of me throwing my Fight after our men's league Wednesday. I wasn't planning on it so i was just using my phone and propped it against the handle of my bag. The outside was pretty blown up. It wasn't quite enough ball at the start of the night, but after the first transition it was great for about 4-5 games
Looks like you polished it?
What is the layout?
Doesn't appear to have any backend whatsoever.
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Not polished, Its box finish. Layout is 50 x 4 3/8 x 50. The outside was torched, I could have easily been throwing my Ride but wanted to throw the new ball some more
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For me the Phaze is earlier and more even down the lane than the Skid. The skid has more backend and is a true skid hook ball as the phaze is earlier and more sweeping. Both balls have about the same hook potential, maybe a board nod to the Phaze. I've got 3 games on it and the carry is not to my liking. Doesn't seem drive through the deck like it should. I may take the cover down to 4000.
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Now that I've got more games on it and have seen others throw it, here's the deal on the Phaze:
The Phaze has a hook set type roll. The hook phase for the Phaze is the shortest of any ball I've ever thrown - it transitions from skid to roll so quickly (and for whatever reason, I could not put that into words earlier). I think this ball will be a favorite of high rev players on harder patterns (Dom Barrett just threw a 300 in the TOC with the Phaze) who want control. I am not sure how well it will do amongst the THS crowd who want to see flip and continuation. This ball does not do that...
The Fight does though. The Fight has the longest hook phase I have ever seen in a ball. Storm has marketed it as a ball that "retains axis rotation". I will attest that this is not BS in marketing. It actually does this. I think it has a shot shape most house bowlers will love.
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Anymore thoughts, reviews on these two balls?
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Phase = Hook Stop. If you like seeing this and can trap the pocket with this motion, you will strike, a lot.
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Phase = Hook Stop. If you like seeing this and can trap the pocket with this motion, you will strike, a lot.
As you don't see many Second dimensions...most say my 2D is super hook stop. I'm going get my hands on a phaze...for sure.
I love that reaction.
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Phase = Hook Stop. If you like seeing this and can trap the pocket with this motion, you will strike, a lot.
I did not see this in the bowlingball.com vid
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I have the Phaze and really love the ball motion. It's not a hook monster, but I like the control of this ball. It's great for medium lanes and I love the carry on light pocket hits. I think with all of the hype everyone thought this ball was going to be a hook monster, but it's not. I think it works perfectly for what it's intended for, which are medium conditions. It is super tacky and the only downside is the lemon tart scent. Kinda smells like Pine Sol to me. My gf has the Fight and the carry of this ball in unreal. The Iron Cross weight block lives up to it's name. I see it being for a little heavier oil conditions and I would compare the motion to the IQ Tour Nano. It's candy apple scent is very pleasant. I think both balls do exactly what they are intended for.
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I have my IQ 30 with a 4 x 5 x 1 for a skid snap response. Very pleased with it, but it was very touchy on houses with strong backends. I ordered the Phaze, just to try it out. I put a 5 x 4 x 3 for length and backend. I wanted it to be more controllable. I am trying to throw the ball straighter so I can bowl better on sport conditions. I have been extremely pleased with the control I have. I was concerned that when I moved in I would lose carry. I still have good carry with the ball even when I have to move in. I really haven't had a good bench mark ball, but I think the Phase will be it. Now I have ordered the Fight and will drill it to start rolling earlier, to see if I can conquer the Nationals pattern.
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Phase = Hook Stop. If you like seeing this and can trap the pocket with this motion, you will strike, a lot.
Exactly what I see out of this ball. I saw a lot of guys trying to force this reaction at the TAT and some this week at the ABT. I talked to a staffer who's exact quote was "I don't know where I'll fit this in the bag. It's just too early to tell. But it will look flashy and impressive on a house shot when everything works. It's about as strong as my Uproar."