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jkirkerx

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PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« on: January 26, 2019, 06:23:48 PM »
I picked up a Crux Prime today, just came in and was on the shelf for 15 minutes so I snagged it. It was exactly what I wanted, 15  Lbs 4 oz and a 2 inch pin. Didnít want to wait around for another with those specs. Iím excited about it and canít wait put some holes in it. I took it home without holes.

The PhysiX I picked up about 3 months ago was a joy out of the box but then it soaked some oil after an hour of play and became a different ball.  But that turned out to be a good thing because I took the time to really learn it under many different conditions and I really like that ball! I slowed down my footwork and swing and got smoother and softer at the bottom and found the PhysiX to be totally amazing.

My anticipated thoughts about the Crux Prime is that it will be what I thought the PhysiX would be like out of the box and stay that way for a longer period of time. Sort of like buying the PhysiX over again. Iím also thinking that the 2 balls will really compliment each other for sport play, well at least for me. The notion of having two balls that I can play from a wide range of various areas will make the 2019 season an exciting one.

Iím glad Storm recognized the oil absorbtion issue and came up with a first solution to address it. I can see a spec hybrid cover to wrap Atomic core in being a great next step forward.

 

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2019, 08:16:39 PM »
I know I am going to get bashed but here it goes.Just a gimmick to sell more balls.Nothing new.You want balls to last slow the absorption rate down.Or include a detox machine with every purchase.

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2019, 09:39:01 PM »
I had good success on newer synthetics using a Hyper cell solid OR a roto sinister...
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2019, 10:28:24 PM »
Jim, I'm looking forward to your thoughts after you've punched the Prime and always appreciate your insight, but even then the hype needs time to become truth, because they're all in on longevity with this one.
MAN, I hope Prime is what we are being told, because I missed out on the whole Alpha Crux thing, but Soup's got the right idea. This thing is hype until it's not hype. Has everyone forgotten the DEBACLE that was the original Phaze? We went from videos palming random balls in the warehouse to blasting pastel colors. Seriously, and I personally love my Phaze II more than any other Storm ball I've ever had... but not the original, not the hype, nope.
Cover/core match up always takes time to prove, and this thing's going to be worse because Storm's telling us the new magic will make sure we don't need to buy their products as often... We'll see if the match up and the tech prove out, but not this week, and it won't be next week or the next week after that either.

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2019, 12:10:04 AM »
The Prime lives up to the hype from what I've seen the last 3 weeks. However, it is not an Alpha replacement imo. The PhysiX is closer in usability and versatility. The Crux Prime is more of a true oiler.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2019, 12:54:44 AM »
Well said everyone on the hype, because I forgot about it. For some reason hype never entered my mind. And thatís why I waited 3 months to really say anything my PhysiX.

Recently I soaked a Shock, Ghost and LE last year. I was surprised at how much oil came out of the Shock, and cleaner came out of the LE. The Ghost hardly anything. I took a photo of the Ghost and magnified it to find little zeros laser etched into the surface like golf ball dimples. I heard on covers that absord, a chemical was added to make the ball stick, but the side affect was oil absorbtion. Perhaps absorbtion was never a factor.

Anyways for me, I can sell off 3/4 of my balls and round out a nice 7 ball system. Sold 4 last night, all Mortivís. Forza GT, Revolt Havoc, Ghost, Primal Rage. Got good money for them. Almost paid for the Crux. Well thatís if the hype is true.

Oh I didnít say this in the intro post, but Iíve been scoring really good with the PhysiX on house and sport. Well house is the reoil, oil over oil. On Wed night against palm bowlers and traditional, Iím out scoring them. On TOC pattern last Thurs, first time on it, the PhysiX was real easy to put in the pocket and carry and won all my personal points. The slower speed and softer release was the factor.

Iíll find out soon if its fake marketing hype.

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2019, 10:22:04 AM »
I am guessing the technology is going to help smooth out the mellowing of the ball especially over the first 100 games and for people who aren't so good about cleaning and don't own a spinner.  None of my Storm (or any other company) balls have lost more than maybe 10% of their reaction but I also clean after every session (both lane side and on spinner at home) and put last surface on often and do full resurfaces on a schedule.  Also do personal revives but have yet to have more than a few drops come out except on used balls I buy.  YMMV and to be fair only have a few balls with 250+ games on them.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2019, 04:19:12 PM »
Hopefully. That R3S And ERG cover really changed after 7 months more than 10%, more like 40%. My code red cover is still pretty darn strong (the same) and the Dare Devil Danger cover hasnít changed a bit.

But hey, Itís my first new Crux and Iím excited about it. Should be a fun ball and a smile maker at the end of league.

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2019, 06:56:51 PM »
Hopefully. That R3S And ERG cover really changed after 7 months more than 10%, more like 40%. My code red cover is still pretty darn strong (the same) and the Dare Devil Danger cover hasnít changed a bit.

But hey, Itís my first new Crux and Iím excited about it. Should be a fun ball and a smile maker at the end of league.

Yep the spec or whatever is just the cherry on top if does what it says.  That is going to be a great heavy oil ball I am sure and unlike me you actually bowl on conditions where it would be useful.  It will probably pay for itself and hey don't have to explain to me why a new (or for me old even more so) ball is exciting :)
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2019, 10:00:00 AM »
That's literally what they did though, SPEC has virtually the absorption rate of urethane . . it takes hours on the absorption test, that's the point of the cover.  No bashing, I just don't see your point.  They made a cover with a nearly non-existent absorption rate, but you say what they should have done is make a cover with a slower absorption rate . . am I missing something?  A little confused. 

I know I am going to get bashed but here it goes.Just a gimmick to sell more balls.Nothing new.You want balls to last slow the absorption rate down.Or include a detox machine with every purchase.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2019, 10:17:58 AM »
This Spec cover sounds like a next level advancement of those Resin/Urethane blends on balls like the Pure Hammers, "Reactathane" Burgandy Hammer, and Brunswick BTUs, that don't absorp oil like a resin, but hook a bit stronger than urethane.

It looks like they've found a way to get the covers to dig and respond with this "low absorption" formula that still creates a big hooking motion.

I wonder is this "Prime" theme will spin off into a series of "Prime/Spec" Covers on their most successful past cores. If it takes off that could be a nice series for Storm.

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2019, 06:49:22 PM »
I wonder is this "Prime" theme will spin off into a series of "Prime/Spec" Covers on their most successful past cores. If it takes off that could be a nice series for Storm.

I think the prime theme represents Optimus Prime of the Transformers. I look at the Crux Prime and it's very red white and blue. Spec theme?

That's literally what they did though, SPEC has virtually the absorption rate of urethane . . it takes hours on the absorption test, that's the point of the cover.  No bashing, I just don't see your point.  They made a cover with a nearly non-existent absorption rate, but you say what they should have done is make a cover with a slower absorption rate . . am I missing something?  A little confused. 

Guess you had a conversation with the tech guys at Storm about Spec, because that is more refined than what I was able to pickup via online chatter. Much more reassuring to know since I haven't drilled the ball yet, and may/will nudge me to place the PAS closer to the thumb than I had planned. And the plan is the pin in the ring with the PAS about 2" right of the vertical line (Maybe less, still thinking). I bought it for sport patterns with no plans to use it on a house shot, well except for the one at the Orleans in Vegas, call that what you want.

On a Side Note:
I picked up another PhysiX last night, used one with low games and no thumb hole with a pretty long pin 3 3/4" (Did a straight ball trade for it). Went ahead and plugged the fingers with my best rendition of PhysiX red. I'm happy with my first one and the way it reacts on sport and some house, was thinking of using this for house to keep the miles down on the first. I have the notion of drilling it the same as my Crux Prime, but concerned about that little bit of extra time needed for it to make the turn. My PSO suggested a pin up layout but I don't need it to go any longer down the lane than the first one. I'll probably sit on it another week and think about it. Really just want something in very consistent range.

Edit
No I'm not copying what Luke does with the pin in the ring. I drilled my Surelock pin in the bridge last October and really like the consistent motion of it. But not happy about the partial pin there and having to fix it later.

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2019, 08:28:19 AM »
Yeah I've had a few conversations with Chad McLean about it.  Also my "Breakthrough Begins" video was a collection of excerpts from a failed interview.  Audio came out awful, so I dumped the interview, just saved a few comments to add, so that's him talking on the video and it was meant to be public, so I'm not spilling company secrets or anything. 

I wonder is this "Prime" theme will spin off into a series of "Prime/Spec" Covers on their most successful past cores. If it takes off that could be a nice series for Storm.

I think the prime theme represents Optimus Prime of the Transformers. I look at the Crux Prime and it's very red white and blue. Spec theme?

That's literally what they did though, SPEC has virtually the absorption rate of urethane . . it takes hours on the absorption test, that's the point of the cover.  No bashing, I just don't see your point.  They made a cover with a nearly non-existent absorption rate, but you say what they should have done is make a cover with a slower absorption rate . . am I missing something?  A little confused. 

Guess you had a conversation with the tech guys at Storm about Spec, because that is more refined than what I was able to pickup via online chatter. Much more reassuring to know since I haven't drilled the ball yet, and may/will nudge me to place the PAS closer to the thumb than I had planned. And the plan is the pin in the ring with the PAS about 2" right of the vertical line (Maybe less, still thinking). I bought it for sport patterns with no plans to use it on a house shot, well except for the one at the Orleans in Vegas, call that what you want.

On a Side Note:
I picked up another PhysiX last night, used one with low games and no thumb hole with a pretty long pin 3 3/4" (Did a straight ball trade for it). Went ahead and plugged the fingers with my best rendition of PhysiX red. I'm happy with my first one and the way it reacts on sport and some house, was thinking of using this for house to keep the miles down on the first. I have the notion of drilling it the same as my Crux Prime, but concerned about that little bit of extra time needed for it to make the turn. My PSO suggested a pin up layout but I don't need it to go any longer down the lane than the first one. I'll probably sit on it another week and think about it. Really just want something in very consistent range.

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No I'm not copying what Luke does with the pin in the ring. I drilled my Surelock pin in the bridge last October and really like the consistent motion of it. But not happy about the partial pin there and having to fix it later.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2019, 08:58:03 AM »
I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2019, 09:18:09 AM »
Nah, not a turd, but it didn't look good for him, it's not close to the shape of the Idol.  Kyle isn't somebody the Prime is going to look good for, it's going to look godly for Belmo though. 

I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.
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