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Title: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: jkirkerx on January 26, 2019, 06:23:48 PM
I picked up a Crux Prime today, just came in and was on the shelf for 15 minutes so I snagged it. It was exactly what I wanted, 15  Lbs 4 oz and a 2 inch pin. Didnít want to wait around for another with those specs. Iím excited about it and canít wait put some holes in it. I took it home without holes.

The PhysiX I picked up about 3 months ago was a joy out of the box but then it soaked some oil after an hour of play and became a different ball.  But that turned out to be a good thing because I took the time to really learn it under many different conditions and I really like that ball! I slowed down my footwork and swing and got smoother and softer at the bottom and found the PhysiX to be totally amazing.

My anticipated thoughts about the Crux Prime is that it will be what I thought the PhysiX would be like out of the box and stay that way for a longer period of time. Sort of like buying the PhysiX over again. Iím also thinking that the 2 balls will really compliment each other for sport play, well at least for me. The notion of having two balls that I can play from a wide range of various areas will make the 2019 season an exciting one.

Iím glad Storm recognized the oil absorbtion issue and came up with a first solution to address it. I can see a spec hybrid cover to wrap Atomic core in being a great next step forward.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: BowlingforSoup on January 26, 2019, 08:16:39 PM
I know I am going to get bashed but here it goes.Just a gimmick to sell more balls.Nothing new.You want balls to last slow the absorption rate down.Or include a detox machine with every purchase.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: billdozer on January 26, 2019, 09:39:01 PM
I had good success on newer synthetics using a Hyper cell solid OR a roto sinister...
Makes for a good 1-2 punch!
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: lefty50 on January 26, 2019, 10:28:24 PM
Jim, I'm looking forward to your thoughts after you've punched the Prime and always appreciate your insight, but even then the hype needs time to become truth, because they're all in on longevity with this one.
MAN, I hope Prime is what we are being told, because I missed out on the whole Alpha Crux thing, but Soup's got the right idea. This thing is hype until it's not hype. Has everyone forgotten the DEBACLE that was the original Phaze? We went from videos palming random balls in the warehouse to blasting pastel colors. Seriously, and I personally love my Phaze II more than any other Storm ball I've ever had... but not the original, not the hype, nope.
Cover/core match up always takes time to prove, and this thing's going to be worse because Storm's telling us the new magic will make sure we don't need to buy their products as often... We'll see if the match up and the tech prove out, but not this week, and it won't be next week or the next week after that either.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: 2handedrook12 on January 27, 2019, 12:10:04 AM
The Prime lives up to the hype from what I've seen the last 3 weeks. However, it is not an Alpha replacement imo. The PhysiX is closer in usability and versatility. The Crux Prime is more of a true oiler.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: jkirkerx on January 27, 2019, 12:54:44 AM
Well said everyone on the hype, because I forgot about it. For some reason hype never entered my mind. And thatís why I waited 3 months to really say anything my PhysiX.

Recently I soaked a Shock, Ghost and LE last year. I was surprised at how much oil came out of the Shock, and cleaner came out of the LE. The Ghost hardly anything. I took a photo of the Ghost and magnified it to find little zeros laser etched into the surface like golf ball dimples. I heard on covers that absord, a chemical was added to make the ball stick, but the side affect was oil absorbtion. Perhaps absorbtion was never a factor.

Anyways for me, I can sell off 3/4 of my balls and round out a nice 7 ball system. Sold 4 last night, all Mortivís. Forza GT, Revolt Havoc, Ghost, Primal Rage. Got good money for them. Almost paid for the Crux. Well thatís if the hype is true.

Oh I didnít say this in the intro post, but Iíve been scoring really good with the PhysiX on house and sport. Well house is the reoil, oil over oil. On Wed night against palm bowlers and traditional, Iím out scoring them. On TOC pattern last Thurs, first time on it, the PhysiX was real easy to put in the pocket and carry and won all my personal points. The slower speed and softer release was the factor.

Iíll find out soon if its fake marketing hype.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 27, 2019, 10:22:04 AM
I am guessing the technology is going to help smooth out the mellowing of the ball especially over the first 100 games and for people who aren't so good about cleaning and don't own a spinner.  None of my Storm (or any other company) balls have lost more than maybe 10% of their reaction but I also clean after every session (both lane side and on spinner at home) and put last surface on often and do full resurfaces on a schedule.  Also do personal revives but have yet to have more than a few drops come out except on used balls I buy.  YMMV and to be fair only have a few balls with 250+ games on them.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: jkirkerx on January 27, 2019, 04:19:12 PM
Hopefully. That R3S And ERG cover really changed after 7 months more than 10%, more like 40%. My code red cover is still pretty darn strong (the same) and the Dare Devil Danger cover hasnít changed a bit.

But hey, Itís my first new Crux and Iím excited about it. Should be a fun ball and a smile maker at the end of league.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 27, 2019, 06:56:51 PM
Hopefully. That R3S And ERG cover really changed after 7 months more than 10%, more like 40%. My code red cover is still pretty darn strong (the same) and the Dare Devil Danger cover hasnít changed a bit.

But hey, Itís my first new Crux and Iím excited about it. Should be a fun ball and a smile maker at the end of league.

Yep the spec or whatever is just the cherry on top if does what it says.  That is going to be a great heavy oil ball I am sure and unlike me you actually bowl on conditions where it would be useful.  It will probably pay for itself and hey don't have to explain to me why a new (or for me old even more so) ball is exciting :). 
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on January 28, 2019, 10:00:00 AM
That's literally what they did though, SPEC has virtually the absorption rate of urethane . . it takes hours on the absorption test, that's the point of the cover.  No bashing, I just don't see your point.  They made a cover with a nearly non-existent absorption rate, but you say what they should have done is make a cover with a slower absorption rate . . am I missing something?  A little confused. 

I know I am going to get bashed but here it goes.Just a gimmick to sell more balls.Nothing new.You want balls to last slow the absorption rate down.Or include a detox machine with every purchase.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: DP3 on January 28, 2019, 10:17:58 AM
This Spec cover sounds like a next level advancement of those Resin/Urethane blends on balls like the Pure Hammers, "Reactathane" Burgandy Hammer, and Brunswick BTUs, that don't absorp oil like a resin, but hook a bit stronger than urethane.

It looks like they've found a way to get the covers to dig and respond with this "low absorption" formula that still creates a big hooking motion.

I wonder is this "Prime" theme will spin off into a series of "Prime/Spec" Covers on their most successful past cores. If it takes off that could be a nice series for Storm.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: jkirkerx on January 29, 2019, 06:49:22 PM
I wonder is this "Prime" theme will spin off into a series of "Prime/Spec" Covers on their most successful past cores. If it takes off that could be a nice series for Storm.

I think the prime theme represents Optimus Prime of the Transformers. I look at the Crux Prime and it's very red white and blue. Spec theme?

That's literally what they did though, SPEC has virtually the absorption rate of urethane . . it takes hours on the absorption test, that's the point of the cover.  No bashing, I just don't see your point.  They made a cover with a nearly non-existent absorption rate, but you say what they should have done is make a cover with a slower absorption rate . . am I missing something?  A little confused. 

Guess you had a conversation with the tech guys at Storm about Spec, because that is more refined than what I was able to pickup via online chatter. Much more reassuring to know since I haven't drilled the ball yet, and may/will nudge me to place the PAS closer to the thumb than I had planned. And the plan is the pin in the ring with the PAS about 2" right of the vertical line (Maybe less, still thinking). I bought it for sport patterns with no plans to use it on a house shot, well except for the one at the Orleans in Vegas, call that what you want.

On a Side Note:
I picked up another PhysiX last night, used one with low games and no thumb hole with a pretty long pin 3 3/4" (Did a straight ball trade for it). Went ahead and plugged the fingers with my best rendition of PhysiX red. I'm happy with my first one and the way it reacts on sport and some house, was thinking of using this for house to keep the miles down on the first. I have the notion of drilling it the same as my Crux Prime, but concerned about that little bit of extra time needed for it to make the turn. My PSO suggested a pin up layout but I don't need it to go any longer down the lane than the first one. I'll probably sit on it another week and think about it. Really just want something in very consistent range.

Edit
No I'm not copying what Luke does with the pin in the ring. I drilled my Surelock pin in the bridge last October and really like the consistent motion of it. But not happy about the partial pin there and having to fix it later.

Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on January 31, 2019, 08:28:19 AM
Yeah I've had a few conversations with Chad McLean about it.  Also my "Breakthrough Begins" video was a collection of excerpts from a failed interview.  Audio came out awful, so I dumped the interview, just saved a few comments to add, so that's him talking on the video and it was meant to be public, so I'm not spilling company secrets or anything. 

I wonder is this "Prime" theme will spin off into a series of "Prime/Spec" Covers on their most successful past cores. If it takes off that could be a nice series for Storm.

I think the prime theme represents Optimus Prime of the Transformers. I look at the Crux Prime and it's very red white and blue. Spec theme?

That's literally what they did though, SPEC has virtually the absorption rate of urethane . . it takes hours on the absorption test, that's the point of the cover.  No bashing, I just don't see your point.  They made a cover with a nearly non-existent absorption rate, but you say what they should have done is make a cover with a slower absorption rate . . am I missing something?  A little confused. 

Guess you had a conversation with the tech guys at Storm about Spec, because that is more refined than what I was able to pickup via online chatter. Much more reassuring to know since I haven't drilled the ball yet, and may/will nudge me to place the PAS closer to the thumb than I had planned. And the plan is the pin in the ring with the PAS about 2" right of the vertical line (Maybe less, still thinking). I bought it for sport patterns with no plans to use it on a house shot, well except for the one at the Orleans in Vegas, call that what you want.

On a Side Note:
I picked up another PhysiX last night, used one with low games and no thumb hole with a pretty long pin 3 3/4" (Did a straight ball trade for it). Went ahead and plugged the fingers with my best rendition of PhysiX red. I'm happy with my first one and the way it reacts on sport and some house, was thinking of using this for house to keep the miles down on the first. I have the notion of drilling it the same as my Crux Prime, but concerned about that little bit of extra time needed for it to make the turn. My PSO suggested a pin up layout but I don't need it to go any longer down the lane than the first one. I'll probably sit on it another week and think about it. Really just want something in very consistent range.

Edit
No I'm not copying what Luke does with the pin in the ring. I drilled my Surelock pin in the bridge last October and really like the consistent motion of it. But not happy about the partial pin there and having to fix it later.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: BowlingforSoup on January 31, 2019, 08:58:03 AM
I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on January 31, 2019, 09:18:09 AM
Nah, not a turd, but it didn't look good for him, it's not close to the shape of the Idol.  Kyle isn't somebody the Prime is going to look good for, it's going to look godly for Belmo though. 

I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: northface28 on January 31, 2019, 09:38:30 AM
Nah, not a turd, but it didn't look good for him, it's not close to the shape of the Idol.  Kyle isn't somebody the Prime is going to look good for, it's going to look godly for Belmo though. 

I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.

And this is where we are going to have to disagree. The crux prime has Phaze (first one) and Timeless written all over it. Big hype leading to even bigger disappointment. So what if it looks godly in belmoís hands, 99% of people donít throw it like him. It looked like hot dookie for Rhino Page and heís as close to a ďnormalĒ style as anyone. Im one of the biggest Storm marks there is and I have a bad feeling about this ball.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on January 31, 2019, 10:38:19 AM
It DOES really smack of the Phaze, I'll give you that.  The Timeless wasn't great, I didn't like it, I DID like the Phaze but it wasn't a ball for the masses, or was too different to be widely viable.  This one IS a bit different.  I liked the Phaze, had two of them, ultimately couldn't use it much, there was better stuff, it was a super niche ball.  The Prime is a different story.  I thought it looked pretty good for Rhino aside from the one shot that he leaked 3 left of where he wanted. 

And fair point about Belmo, I was just trying to compare apples to apples.  It's been really nice for me, the friction response IS different, not different enough for the general public to notice or feel though I don't think, it's going to be a flat 10 machine for most because it's not backend in a box.  I'd say more but I'm already sounding like a commercial.  Can't defend the Timeless, not a good ball.  Want to but ultimately can't defend the Phaze.  Want to and can defend the Prime, but can see and say it's not for everyone, it's just too different from what's out there right now.

Nah, not a turd, but it didn't look good for him, it's not close to the shape of the Idol.  Kyle isn't somebody the Prime is going to look good for, it's going to look godly for Belmo though. 

I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.

And this is where we are going to have to disagree. The crux prime has Phaze (first one) and Timeless written all over it. Big hype leading to even bigger disappointment. So what if it looks godly in belmoís hands, 99% of people donít throw it like him. It looked like hot dookie for Rhino Page and heís as close to a ďnormalĒ style as anyone. Im one of the biggest Storm marks there is and I have a bad feeling about this ball.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: lefty50 on January 31, 2019, 11:15:35 AM
So Luke.... For low rev lefties in a flood, Crux Prime = Yes or no?
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: northface28 on January 31, 2019, 11:22:09 AM
It DOES really smack of the Phaze, I'll give you that.  The Timeless wasn't great, I didn't like it, I DID like the Phaze but it wasn't a ball for the masses, or was too different to be widely viable.  This one IS a bit different.  I liked the Phaze, had two of them, ultimately couldn't use it much, there was better stuff, it was a super niche ball.  The Prime is a different story.  I thought it looked pretty good for Rhino aside from the one shot that he leaked 3 left of where he wanted. 

And fair point about Belmo, I was just trying to compare apples to apples.  It's been really nice for me, the friction response IS different, not different enough for the general public to notice or feel though I don't think, it's going to be a flat 10 machine for most because it's not backend in a box.  I'd say more but I'm already sounding like a commercial.  Can't defend the Timeless, not a good ball.  Want to but ultimately can't defend the Phaze.  Want to and can defend the Prime, but can see and say it's not for everyone, it's just too different from what's out there right now.

Nah, not a turd, but it didn't look good for him, it's not close to the shape of the Idol.  Kyle isn't somebody the Prime is going to look good for, it's going to look godly for Belmo though. 

I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.

And this is where we are going to have to disagree. The crux prime has Phaze (first one) and Timeless written all over it. Big hype leading to even bigger disappointment. So what if it looks godly in belmoís hands, 99% of people donít throw it like him. It looked like hot dookie for Rhino Page and heís as close to a ďnormalĒ style as anyone. Im one of the biggest Storm marks there is and I have a bad feeling about this ball.


Fair enough, youíre apart of the select group on the site whoís opinion I take very seriously. Full disclosure, I have a Crux Prime, however I like keeping my angles in front of me/or very straight through the front, so a slow response ball like this works for me because I understand how and when to use it. The general public will be a expecting a Alpha Crux and this as they say ďainít itĒ.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on January 31, 2019, 11:55:43 AM
Yeah exactly that. 

It DOES really smack of the Phaze, I'll give you that.  The Timeless wasn't great, I didn't like it, I DID like the Phaze but it wasn't a ball for the masses, or was too different to be widely viable.  This one IS a bit different.  I liked the Phaze, had two of them, ultimately couldn't use it much, there was better stuff, it was a super niche ball.  The Prime is a different story.  I thought it looked pretty good for Rhino aside from the one shot that he leaked 3 left of where he wanted. 

And fair point about Belmo, I was just trying to compare apples to apples.  It's been really nice for me, the friction response IS different, not different enough for the general public to notice or feel though I don't think, it's going to be a flat 10 machine for most because it's not backend in a box.  I'd say more but I'm already sounding like a commercial.  Can't defend the Timeless, not a good ball.  Want to but ultimately can't defend the Phaze.  Want to and can defend the Prime, but can see and say it's not for everyone, it's just too different from what's out there right now.

Nah, not a turd, but it didn't look good for him, it's not close to the shape of the Idol.  Kyle isn't somebody the Prime is going to look good for, it's going to look godly for Belmo though. 

I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.

And this is where we are going to have to disagree. The crux prime has Phaze (first one) and Timeless written all over it. Big hype leading to even bigger disappointment. So what if it looks godly in belmoís hands, 99% of people donít throw it like him. It looked like hot dookie for Rhino Page and heís as close to a ďnormalĒ style as anyone. Im one of the biggest Storm marks there is and I have a bad feeling about this ball.


Fair enough, youíre apart of the select group on the site whoís opinion I take very seriously. Full disclosure, I have a Crux Prime, however I like keeping my angles in front of me/or very straight through the front, so a slow response ball like this works for me because I understand how and when to use it. The general public will be a expecting a Alpha Crux and this as they say ďainít itĒ.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: BeerLeague on February 07, 2019, 12:35:00 PM
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: AlonzoHarris on February 07, 2019, 12:55:28 PM
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

I probably wouldn't carry a Prime and Halo in the same bag unless we're talking a big bag. Both seem to shape quite similar. I would carry a PhysiX and one of the other two though.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: jkirkerx on February 07, 2019, 06:50:29 PM
Well if I get a chance to bowl tonight on Earl Anthony, I'll give the Prime and Physics a try in warmup and get a better look at the prime and a comparison against the 2.
I don't have a Halo, skipped it.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: northface28 on February 07, 2019, 10:01:30 PM
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

Youíre kidding right? Whoís walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: 2handedrook12 on February 08, 2019, 08:28:56 AM
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

Youíre kidding right? Whoís walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?
I see it all the time while I'm bowling leagues at school. People carry a Fused, Physix, and Prime. It's so cliffed, 2 asyms are almost necessary to be able to throw the ball and have miss room. I wish I were joking. Definitely different from back home in the Chicagoland.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: Impending Doom on February 08, 2019, 09:12:50 AM
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

Youíre kidding right? Whoís walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?

Meanwhile, back in the frozen tundra, a Black Ops with surface is more than enough lol
Title: Reality of my Crux Prime expectations and 2nd PhysiX
Post by: jkirkerx on February 08, 2019, 04:00:10 PM
Well if I get a chance to bowl tonight on Earl Anthony, I'll give the Prime and Physics a try in warmup and get a better look at the prime and a comparison against the 2.
I don't have a Halo, skipped it.

I got a chance to give the Prime a test run last night on Earl Anthony 42'. I did terrible with it putting up consistent 160 games in league play. In hindsight, lack of sleep and not being familiar with the ball mentally affected my timing, swing and shot making confidence. I picked up the 2nd PhysiX towards the end of the 2nd game and everything came back to normal, only to be disrupted by the 2nd PhysiX motion being totally different than the first one and missing the corner spares. But overall I played the pattern wrong and should of played the middle 8 boards. 8 boards left and right of center.

I'll talk about the PhysiX first.
1st one is 1" pin down below the ring, PAS kicked out 2 3/4" from the center line.
2nd one is 4 1/2" pin in ring finger, PAS kicked out 1 3/4" from the center line.

I decided to bowl 3 more games on the pattern and my PSO did a late nighter and checked out the 2 balls. He couldn't believe how much faster the 2nd PhysiX picked up in the heads and mid lane yet was softer in the back end. The 1st Physix goes longer and turns harder in the back end but is slower to respond. I'm sure some of you guys already know the math on that but to me it was a surprise and lesson learned. It took a game to get use to the 2nd PhysiX and get my angles straighten out for the different motion it makes and I still finished terrible. I think the 1st PhysiX would of been easier to use, and predict playing the center.

Now the Prime.
First couple of shots I was soft and the ball was over under. Starting hitting it at the bottom a little harder and harder increasing the rev rate more and more and the ball became amazing! Like WOW amazing, that ball charged hard down the mid lane with a very smooth motion and arc into pocket and I started stringing together carry to finish at 206. Into the 3rd game, it started to go straight and die, not finishing so I moved out right and it got worst. Then I went the other direction even farther left up 20 and the ball was amazing again charging even harder while the motion slightly changed in the back end, yet still had really strong carry. Overall the Prime ended up being way easier to play the pattern with than my 2nd PhysiX.

Conclusion:
So me not being familiar with the ball, not really knowing how to read it or when to use it, what it's capabilities are lead to some really bad bowling. But if I didn't stick around and bowl the extra 3 games to figure it out, I would of experienced a longer period of really bad bowling. I got more comfortable with it and got smoother and more accurate being able to put in the same place over and over at the end of the practice set. The Prime is simply beyond my original expectation and is not at all what I thought it would be. But the investment was worth it because it gives me personally the option and confidence for playing much deeper to stay in the middle of that type of pattern than my Ghost, LE, Carnage was ever able to handle which is something I've been searching for. 

My PSO was very impressed however and we talked about the results in detail agreeing upon a few things focusing on pin length, pin up, pin down for each bowling style. He wanted me to get a 3 1/2" pin and do a pin up layout. I just wanted something in the middle being neutral for more flexibility and use. But overall we agreed that my Prime was well planned and executed for what I wanted to use it for.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: BeerLeague on February 09, 2019, 08:10:26 AM
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

Youíre kidding right? Whoís walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?

Well, me.  Try 48ft Great Wall of China on beat to death 35 year old anvillane and you will understand.  For the recreation house wall, 3 big assyms is a waste.  In the future with the rule changes you will see a lot more of them then you do now.  Symmetrical cores will be limited in the reaction shapes attainable.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on February 14, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
It's a shape thing I think.  I'd carry those 3 as well, specifically because they don't all act like big asyms.  Prime is so smooth that it acts more like a big sym to me, I have it and the Idol almost on top of each other, PhysiX is like a heavy house shot killer, and the Halo is your beefy traditional big hooking asym.  I prefer the Idol to the Halo though, and the Halo Pearl is bumping the PhysiX, so really just going Prime-Halo Pearl-Idol-Phaze 2-Idol Pearl-IQ Tour for the majority of what I see. 

I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

Youíre kidding right? Whoís walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?

Well, me.  Try 48ft Great Wall of China on beat to death 35 year old anvillane and you will understand.  For the recreation house wall, 3 big assyms is a waste.  In the future with the rule changes you will see a lot more of them then you do now.  Symmetrical cores will be limited in the reaction shapes attainable.
Title: Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
Post by: AlonzoHarris on February 14, 2019, 12:23:24 PM
It's a shape thing I think.  I'd carry those 3 as well, specifically because they don't all act like big asyms.  Prime is so smooth that it acts more like a big sym to me, I have it and the Idol almost on top of each other, PhysiX is like a heavy house shot killer, and the Halo is your beefy traditional big hooking asym.  I prefer the Idol to the Halo though, and the Halo Pearl is bumping the PhysiX, so really just going Prime-Halo Pearl-Idol-Phaze 2-Idol Pearl-IQ Tour for the majority of what I see. 

I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

Youíre kidding right? Whoís walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?

Well, me.  Try 48ft Great Wall of China on beat to death 35 year old anvillane and you will understand.  For the recreation house wall, 3 big assyms is a waste.  In the future with the rule changes you will see a lot more of them then you do now.  Symmetrical cores will be limited in the reaction shapes attainable.

Not seeing the Super Son!Q knocking anything out the bag?