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jkirkerx

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I wanted a Crux prime for sport shots and didn't want to shell out new cash for it, so I decided to get rid of about 15 balls. Posted a Craigslist ad and 9 of them went really fast for good money. One of the deals I made was a straight trade for a barely used PhysiX with no thumb hole and I jumped on it. I just plugged the fingers and drilled it up last night, while drilling up my Crux Prime this morning.

My first PhysiX is 1" pin, drilled pin down 1" below ring finger and the PAS kicked out 2 3/4". The 2nd one is 4 1/2" pin drilled pin in ring finger and the PAS kicked out about 2" from the vertical center line. The Crux Prime is pin in ring finger with the PAS kicked out about 1 1/2" from the center line.

I'll talk about the PhysiX since I rolled it first. PhysiX 1 I had to slow my ball speed down for it to complete it's cycle to maximize carry potential, which took me 2 months to figure out and execute. It seems to go a little longer down the lane than PhysiX 2. PhysiX 2 is rollier, more of a crescent shape that I really like. I had a general idea of the shape that Physix 2 would make but had to confirm it. I thought the longer pin would make it go longer down the lane but it wasn't the case. It actually picked up pretty fast and was gentle in the back end. I didn't have both PhysiX today and just rolled the one so I have no comparison to make.

I drilled the Crux Prime a little weaker but it was actually much stronger in the midlane compared to the PhysiX. I got a nice rolley motion from it that I really dig! I like to play a little outside of 3rd arrow but there just wasn't enough oil there so I moved inside of 3rd arrow and the carry was much better for light spills vs dead flush 9 counts. I really like the ball but It's going to take me awhile to figure out.

I really dig the PhysiX and the Crux Prime was just fun to roll today. I think they will make a great combo together, better than say the Idol/Halo combo which is totally different, but for me I think I can accomplish better results for what I bowl on.

I'm not making any recommendations for the Crux Prime, I think it's too way much ball for a right hander on a house shot but a lone lefty that can play inside of 3rd arrow might enjoy it.

 

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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2019, 07:22:33 PM »
Jim, Crux Prime clarification please. Lone lefty playing inside 3rd arrow totally or inside 3rd arrow pitching out?

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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2019, 12:50:19 PM »
Depends on the layout. I made it the latter, 3rd arrow pitching out.
But I must admit OOB that the ball was like 80 grit surface and really went left up the middle of the lane on the maiden roll, and then toned down a bit after about 15 shots and straighten out.

I think with a tuned layout/surface, you could get it similar to your Sure Lock and enjoy the benefits of the cover formula, carry and different shape. But you might only get one game out of it. I'd definitely put it on your watch list and see how others are using it. The ball is weaker than the Sure Lock core wise and the cover seems a bit stronger to me. Compared to the PhysiX the cover is much stronger and the core seems denser.

Bowlers are talking about it:
There seems to be a lot of chatter on the Crux Prime and many are looking at it. I was talking to Barry A yesterday and he thinks this ball could be as popular as the first Jackal but tuned for today's durable oil/conditioners. Talking to Carl (Plays 4th arrow) he said he has yet to bowl a whole game with it because it's too strong. And another guy that likes to play outside, says he struggling to find the right line with it and finally moved in to 3rd arrow and pitched it out a bit.
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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2019, 01:13:34 PM »
Good data, thanks !

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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2019, 04:24:05 PM »
A senior friend of mine shot really well back to back tournaments on a 45 ft challenge pattern and a 40 foot challenge pattern with the crux prime. 

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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2019, 12:44:39 PM »
I'm curious about the pin length and layout on your friends new Prime.
I'm wondering if I should of got a longer pin on mine.

A senior friend of mine shot really well back to back tournaments on a 45 ft challenge pattern and a 40 foot challenge pattern with the crux prime. 

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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2019, 01:50:21 PM »
I'm curious about the pin length and layout on your friends new Prime.
I'm wondering if I should of got a longer pin on mine.

A senior friend of mine shot really well back to back tournaments on a 45 ft challenge pattern and a 40 foot challenge pattern with the crux prime. 

Are you talking Pin to Pap or the original pin length?
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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2019, 02:22:13 PM »
Not sure on pin.  Nothing exotic.  He usually has a pin up, sometimes above the bridge.   Also, he is one of the better non PBA Players over 60 in the country

jkirkerx

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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2019, 03:10:10 PM »
Oh .....

Guess I need to train harder and get better with my Prime

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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2019, 10:38:21 AM »
Pin distance also doesn't matter, only used to matter for static weight considerations to keep the weights legal, but now that it's opened up to 3oz any direction, as long as you keep side/finger/thumb/top/bottom within 3oz of the opposite direction, doesn't matter how long or short the pin to cg measurement is.  That's literally the only thing pin distance ever had to do with anything, anyone who says it has an actual effect on ball reaction shouldn't be in the business anymore. 
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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2019, 04:34:03 PM »
Just want to make sure I got this right

So my pin length between my 2 PhysiX doesn't really mean anything.

But how I distributed the weight by ball selection such as top weight, the amount of material removed from drilling, and the my layout orientation will shift the side, top and bottom weights around in which we have to stay within 3 oz to be legal.

As far as how it alters ball motion would be another subject.

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I went and read my other post and I'm clear now on the subject
I was just surprised at how different the 2 balls are.

Pin distance also doesn't matter, only used to matter for static weight considerations to keep the weights legal, but now that it's opened up to 3oz any direction, as long as you keep side/finger/thumb/top/bottom within 3oz of the opposite direction, doesn't matter how long or short the pin to cg measurement is.  That's literally the only thing pin distance ever had to do with anything, anyone who says it has an actual effect on ball reaction shouldn't be in the business anymore. 
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Re: My 2nd Physix vs First PhysiX and my New Crux Prime drilled and rolled
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2019, 04:41:07 PM »
Just want to make sure I got this right

So my pin length between my 2 PhysiX doesn't really mean anything.

But how I distributed the weight by ball selection such as top weight, the amount of material removed from drilling, and the my layout orientation will shift the side, top and bottom weights around in which we have to stay within 3 oz to be legal.

As far as how it alters ball motion would be another subject.

Pin distance also doesn't matter, only used to matter for static weight considerations to keep the weights legal, but now that it's opened up to 3oz any direction, as long as you keep side/finger/thumb/top/bottom within 3oz of the opposite direction, doesn't matter how long or short the pin to cg measurement is.  That's literally the only thing pin distance ever had to do with anything, anyone who says it has an actual effect on ball reaction shouldn't be in the business anymore. 

Static weights do not alter ball motion in anything but balls with pancake weight blocks. There's no discussion. It's been proven over and over again by multiple companies.
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