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PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« on: January 26, 2019, 06:23:48 PM »
I picked up a Crux Prime today, just came in and was on the shelf for 15 minutes so I snagged it. It was exactly what I wanted, 15  Lbs 4 oz and a 2 inch pin. Didn’t want to wait around for another with those specs. I’m excited about it and can’t wait put some holes in it. I took it home without holes.

The PhysiX I picked up about 3 months ago was a joy out of the box but then it soaked some oil after an hour of play and became a different ball.  But that turned out to be a good thing because I took the time to really learn it under many different conditions and I really like that ball! I slowed down my footwork and swing and got smoother and softer at the bottom and found the PhysiX to be totally amazing.

My anticipated thoughts about the Crux Prime is that it will be what I thought the PhysiX would be like out of the box and stay that way for a longer period of time. Sort of like buying the PhysiX over again. I’m also thinking that the 2 balls will really compliment each other for sport play, well at least for me. The notion of having two balls that I can play from a wide range of various areas will make the 2019 season an exciting one.

I’m glad Storm recognized the oil absorbtion issue and came up with a first solution to address it. I can see a spec hybrid cover to wrap Atomic core in being a great next step forward.

 

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2019, 09:38:30 AM »
Nah, not a turd, but it didn't look good for him, it's not close to the shape of the Idol.  Kyle isn't somebody the Prime is going to look good for, it's going to look godly for Belmo though. 

I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.

And this is where we are going to have to disagree. The crux prime has Phaze (first one) and Timeless written all over it. Big hype leading to even bigger disappointment. So what if it looks godly in belmo’s hands, 99% of people don’t throw it like him. It looked like hot dookie for Rhino Page and he’s as close to a “normal” style as anyone. Im one of the biggest Storm marks there is and I have a bad feeling about this ball.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2019, 10:38:19 AM »
It DOES really smack of the Phaze, I'll give you that.  The Timeless wasn't great, I didn't like it, I DID like the Phaze but it wasn't a ball for the masses, or was too different to be widely viable.  This one IS a bit different.  I liked the Phaze, had two of them, ultimately couldn't use it much, there was better stuff, it was a super niche ball.  The Prime is a different story.  I thought it looked pretty good for Rhino aside from the one shot that he leaked 3 left of where he wanted. 

And fair point about Belmo, I was just trying to compare apples to apples.  It's been really nice for me, the friction response IS different, not different enough for the general public to notice or feel though I don't think, it's going to be a flat 10 machine for most because it's not backend in a box.  I'd say more but I'm already sounding like a commercial.  Can't defend the Timeless, not a good ball.  Want to but ultimately can't defend the Phaze.  Want to and can defend the Prime, but can see and say it's not for everyone, it's just too different from what's out there right now.

Nah, not a turd, but it didn't look good for him, it's not close to the shape of the Idol.  Kyle isn't somebody the Prime is going to look good for, it's going to look godly for Belmo though. 

I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.

And this is where we are going to have to disagree. The crux prime has Phaze (first one) and Timeless written all over it. Big hype leading to even bigger disappointment. So what if it looks godly in belmo’s hands, 99% of people don’t throw it like him. It looked like hot dookie for Rhino Page and he’s as close to a “normal” style as anyone. Im one of the biggest Storm marks there is and I have a bad feeling about this ball.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2019, 11:15:35 AM »
So Luke.... For low rev lefties in a flood, Crux Prime = Yes or no?

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2019, 11:22:09 AM »
It DOES really smack of the Phaze, I'll give you that.  The Timeless wasn't great, I didn't like it, I DID like the Phaze but it wasn't a ball for the masses, or was too different to be widely viable.  This one IS a bit different.  I liked the Phaze, had two of them, ultimately couldn't use it much, there was better stuff, it was a super niche ball.  The Prime is a different story.  I thought it looked pretty good for Rhino aside from the one shot that he leaked 3 left of where he wanted. 

And fair point about Belmo, I was just trying to compare apples to apples.  It's been really nice for me, the friction response IS different, not different enough for the general public to notice or feel though I don't think, it's going to be a flat 10 machine for most because it's not backend in a box.  I'd say more but I'm already sounding like a commercial.  Can't defend the Timeless, not a good ball.  Want to but ultimately can't defend the Phaze.  Want to and can defend the Prime, but can see and say it's not for everyone, it's just too different from what's out there right now.

Nah, not a turd, but it didn't look good for him, it's not close to the shape of the Idol.  Kyle isn't somebody the Prime is going to look good for, it's going to look godly for Belmo though. 

I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.

And this is where we are going to have to disagree. The crux prime has Phaze (first one) and Timeless written all over it. Big hype leading to even bigger disappointment. So what if it looks godly in belmo’s hands, 99% of people don’t throw it like him. It looked like hot dookie for Rhino Page and he’s as close to a “normal” style as anyone. Im one of the biggest Storm marks there is and I have a bad feeling about this ball.


Fair enough, you’re apart of the select group on the site who’s opinion I take very seriously. Full disclosure, I have a Crux Prime, however I like keeping my angles in front of me/or very straight through the front, so a slow response ball like this works for me because I understand how and when to use it. The general public will be a expecting a Alpha Crux and this as they say “ain’t it”.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2019, 11:55:43 AM »
Yeah exactly that. 

It DOES really smack of the Phaze, I'll give you that.  The Timeless wasn't great, I didn't like it, I DID like the Phaze but it wasn't a ball for the masses, or was too different to be widely viable.  This one IS a bit different.  I liked the Phaze, had two of them, ultimately couldn't use it much, there was better stuff, it was a super niche ball.  The Prime is a different story.  I thought it looked pretty good for Rhino aside from the one shot that he leaked 3 left of where he wanted. 

And fair point about Belmo, I was just trying to compare apples to apples.  It's been really nice for me, the friction response IS different, not different enough for the general public to notice or feel though I don't think, it's going to be a flat 10 machine for most because it's not backend in a box.  I'd say more but I'm already sounding like a commercial.  Can't defend the Timeless, not a good ball.  Want to but ultimately can't defend the Phaze.  Want to and can defend the Prime, but can see and say it's not for everyone, it's just too different from what's out there right now.

Nah, not a turd, but it didn't look good for him, it's not close to the shape of the Idol.  Kyle isn't somebody the Prime is going to look good for, it's going to look godly for Belmo though. 

I was just saying its really no big secret slow the absorption rate down and the balls will last longer.Don't be confused.By the way you sure could tell it was a turd on Sundays show.Kyle couldn't get it to turn the corner.Picked up the Idol there was no comparison opened the lane up fine.Give those ball reps a raise.

And this is where we are going to have to disagree. The crux prime has Phaze (first one) and Timeless written all over it. Big hype leading to even bigger disappointment. So what if it looks godly in belmo’s hands, 99% of people don’t throw it like him. It looked like hot dookie for Rhino Page and he’s as close to a “normal” style as anyone. Im one of the biggest Storm marks there is and I have a bad feeling about this ball.


Fair enough, you’re apart of the select group on the site who’s opinion I take very seriously. Full disclosure, I have a Crux Prime, however I like keeping my angles in front of me/or very straight through the front, so a slow response ball like this works for me because I understand how and when to use it. The general public will be a expecting a Alpha Crux and this as they say “ain’t it”.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2019, 12:35:00 PM »
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2019, 12:55:28 PM »
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

I probably wouldn't carry a Prime and Halo in the same bag unless we're talking a big bag. Both seem to shape quite similar. I would carry a PhysiX and one of the other two though.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2019, 06:50:29 PM »
Well if I get a chance to bowl tonight on Earl Anthony, I'll give the Prime and Physics a try in warmup and get a better look at the prime and a comparison against the 2.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2019, 10:01:30 PM »
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

You’re kidding right? Who’s walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2019, 08:28:56 AM »
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

You’re kidding right? Who’s walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?
I see it all the time while I'm bowling leagues at school. People carry a Fused, Physix, and Prime. It's so cliffed, 2 asyms are almost necessary to be able to throw the ball and have miss room. I wish I were joking. Definitely different from back home in the Chicagoland.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2019, 09:12:50 AM »
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

You’re kidding right? Who’s walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?

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Reality of my Crux Prime expectations and 2nd PhysiX
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2019, 04:00:10 PM »
Well if I get a chance to bowl tonight on Earl Anthony, I'll give the Prime and Physics a try in warmup and get a better look at the prime and a comparison against the 2.
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I got a chance to give the Prime a test run last night on Earl Anthony 42'. I did terrible with it putting up consistent 160 games in league play. In hindsight, lack of sleep and not being familiar with the ball mentally affected my timing, swing and shot making confidence. I picked up the 2nd PhysiX towards the end of the 2nd game and everything came back to normal, only to be disrupted by the 2nd PhysiX motion being totally different than the first one and missing the corner spares. But overall I played the pattern wrong and should of played the middle 8 boards. 8 boards left and right of center.

I'll talk about the PhysiX first.
1st one is 1" pin down below the ring, PAS kicked out 2 3/4" from the center line.
2nd one is 4 1/2" pin in ring finger, PAS kicked out 1 3/4" from the center line.

I decided to bowl 3 more games on the pattern and my PSO did a late nighter and checked out the 2 balls. He couldn't believe how much faster the 2nd PhysiX picked up in the heads and mid lane yet was softer in the back end. The 1st Physix goes longer and turns harder in the back end but is slower to respond. I'm sure some of you guys already know the math on that but to me it was a surprise and lesson learned. It took a game to get use to the 2nd PhysiX and get my angles straighten out for the different motion it makes and I still finished terrible. I think the 1st PhysiX would of been easier to use, and predict playing the center.

Now the Prime.
First couple of shots I was soft and the ball was over under. Starting hitting it at the bottom a little harder and harder increasing the rev rate more and more and the ball became amazing! Like WOW amazing, that ball charged hard down the mid lane with a very smooth motion and arc into pocket and I started stringing together carry to finish at 206. Into the 3rd game, it started to go straight and die, not finishing so I moved out right and it got worst. Then I went the other direction even farther left up 20 and the ball was amazing again charging even harder while the motion slightly changed in the back end, yet still had really strong carry. Overall the Prime ended up being way easier to play the pattern with than my 2nd PhysiX.

Conclusion:
So me not being familiar with the ball, not really knowing how to read it or when to use it, what it's capabilities are lead to some really bad bowling. But if I didn't stick around and bowl the extra 3 games to figure it out, I would of experienced a longer period of really bad bowling. I got more comfortable with it and got smoother and more accurate being able to put in the same place over and over at the end of the practice set. The Prime is simply beyond my original expectation and is not at all what I thought it would be. But the investment was worth it because it gives me personally the option and confidence for playing much deeper to stay in the middle of that type of pattern than my Ghost, LE, Carnage was ever able to handle which is something I've been searching for. 

My PSO was very impressed however and we talked about the results in detail agreeing upon a few things focusing on pin length, pin up, pin down for each bowling style. He wanted me to get a 3 1/2" pin and do a pin up layout. I just wanted something in the middle being neutral for more flexibility and use. But overall we agreed that my Prime was well planned and executed for what I wanted to use it for.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2019, 08:10:26 AM »
I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

You’re kidding right? Who’s walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?

Well, me.  Try 48ft Great Wall of China on beat to death 35 year old anvillane and you will understand.  For the recreation house wall, 3 big assyms is a waste.  In the future with the rule changes you will see a lot more of them then you do now.  Symmetrical cores will be limited in the reaction shapes attainable.

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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2019, 10:42:01 AM »
It's a shape thing I think.  I'd carry those 3 as well, specifically because they don't all act like big asyms.  Prime is so smooth that it acts more like a big sym to me, I have it and the Idol almost on top of each other, PhysiX is like a heavy house shot killer, and the Halo is your beefy traditional big hooking asym.  I prefer the Idol to the Halo though, and the Halo Pearl is bumping the PhysiX, so really just going Prime-Halo Pearl-Idol-Phaze 2-Idol Pearl-IQ Tour for the majority of what I see. 

I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

You’re kidding right? Who’s walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?

Well, me.  Try 48ft Great Wall of China on beat to death 35 year old anvillane and you will understand.  For the recreation house wall, 3 big assyms is a waste.  In the future with the rule changes you will see a lot more of them then you do now.  Symmetrical cores will be limited in the reaction shapes attainable.
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Re: PhysiX after thoughts versus Crux Prime expectations
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2019, 12:23:24 PM »
It's a shape thing I think.  I'd carry those 3 as well, specifically because they don't all act like big asyms.  Prime is so smooth that it acts more like a big sym to me, I have it and the Idol almost on top of each other, PhysiX is like a heavy house shot killer, and the Halo is your beefy traditional big hooking asym.  I prefer the Idol to the Halo though, and the Halo Pearl is bumping the PhysiX, so really just going Prime-Halo Pearl-Idol-Phaze 2-Idol Pearl-IQ Tour for the majority of what I see. 

I have a hunch the Prime and Halo will make good compliments to each other.  WHen one isn't carrying, throw the other one and hope.  When they both don't carry, grab the Physix.

You’re kidding right? Who’s walking around with 3 big asym balls at the same time?

Well, me.  Try 48ft Great Wall of China on beat to death 35 year old anvillane and you will understand.  For the recreation house wall, 3 big assyms is a waste.  In the future with the rule changes you will see a lot more of them then you do now.  Symmetrical cores will be limited in the reaction shapes attainable.

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