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Title: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on July 04, 2019, 08:54:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfUWn9bScIs&lc=z22txdnb1py4inma404t1aokgqtgu52s03w3e5btfxqark0h00410

So I realize the intro is . . hammy . . but I found a cool effect with the silver logo and the rest kind of fell together so I deserve any and all heat I'll take over that . .

Now about the ball, it's just legit.  I think it's pretty obvious to see who it's going to be good for and who it might be iffy for, and I come right out and say as much in the video, I'm not brown-nosing and staffering hard the WHOLE video, but all jokes aside, I'm a fan and I WILL defend my position.  I'd ask everyone to take a good hard serious look before just dismissing it as hype or another Belmo ball, but I also get if you just don't want anything to do with it.  Thanks and happy 4th. 
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: SG17 on July 04, 2019, 09:14:00 PM
frankly; the video deserves a dislike for intro alone.
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: JazlarVonSteich on July 05, 2019, 01:31:32 PM
I thought it was a good video. We get a "free" Storm/RG ball for the summer PBA league we bowl in. My son is bowling with me and doesn't want a Storm/RG ball, so I'm taking his. Urethane is pretty much my best look on the current house shot, but I'm definitely going to grab the Pro Motion. Unless they change things - which I've been told they are - it will likely be too much ball for house. But I already have a Hot Cell and Fever Pitch, plus a bunch of other urethanes. Going to get the IQ Emerald as well. If they don't work on house, there's always tournaments.

The Pro Motion does look very good though. Everyone is just quick to hate based on the Timeless and Drive. I found the Timeless to be over/under, but worked decently at 3000 grit. I did give it to my oldest son though. He does well with it. Did not have a Drive, but I saw others with it. Wasn't impressed. This ball does not look like those. And I'm a sucker for vanilla...
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: northface28 on July 05, 2019, 02:13:13 PM
The hype train is steaming down the tracks and some staffers whom I trust say this ball is going to rank up there with Hyroads and IQ Tours. Every staffer Iíve spoken with (8) said they will die on this hill.
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: billdozer on July 06, 2019, 11:05:57 PM
The hype train is steaming down the tracks and some staffers whom I trust say this ball is going to rank up there with Hyroads and IQ Tours. Every staffer Iíve spoken with (8) said they will die on this hill.

So it's gonna be like the fight and phaze...got it
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on July 09, 2019, 10:58:30 PM
Nah bruh lol. The proof will be there for this one, Iíd almost tell people not to run out and get it when it releases, give it all the time you need. Actually watch the PBA League coming up next week, these should be all over the place. Iíd expect a lot of the women to be throwing them too. Much more a tournament ball than a league ball, but these are gonna look good on house shots too to control those big cliffed shots. I hate being a staffer for balls like this because of how itís going to be received, but it is what it is.

The hype train is steaming down the tracks and some staffers whom I trust say this ball is going to rank up there with Hyroads and IQ Tours. Every staffer Iíve spoken with (8) said they will die on this hill.

So it's gonna be like the fight and phaze...got it
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: AlonzoHarris on July 10, 2019, 06:25:33 PM
Nah bruh lol. The proof will be there for this one, Iíd almost tell people not to run out and get it when it releases, give it all the time you need. Actually watch the PBA League coming up next week, these should be all over the place. Iíd expect a lot of the women to be throwing them too. Much more a tournament ball than a league ball, but these are gonna look good on house shots too to control those big cliffed shots. I hate being a staffer for balls like this because of how itís going to be received, but it is what it is.

The hype train is steaming down the tracks and some staffers whom I trust say this ball is going to rank up there with Hyroads and IQ Tours. Every staffer Iíve spoken with (8) said they will die on this hill.

So it's gonna be like the fight and phaze...got it

Iím very interested in the comparison between this, Idol Pro, and Phaze 2. All 3 will be fighting for that particular spot in my bag come tournament season, which my Phaze 2 currently holds.
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: dmonroe814 on July 10, 2019, 10:10:01 PM
I am looking for a good benchmark ball, so I have pre ordered it.
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on July 11, 2019, 11:04:58 AM
Idol Pro is quite a bit boomier on the backend than the PM or P2, it's a nice compliment if you want to keep moving left with a similar roll and similar hook potential, but the PM or P2 get soft from deeper angles, this one really moves on the backend.  I bowled the last two games of singles with it at nationals over the weekend and it looked really good.  I actually think the scope of use is greater with the Idol Pro than the Pro Motion.  The Pro Motion is the better ball by a very thin hair, because it's quite a bit more versatile, but for the general bowling population, I think the Idol Pro is going to be more popular.  Power for the straighter bowler that they generally don't see, recovery and big drive from deep for the high rev guys that usually see wiggle in the soup, but the one "fault" I guess you'd say is that it's gonna move on friction, it's just going to go, but that's also its strong point, depends on how you look at it.  The Pro Motion looked great on both the team and doubles and singles patterns at Nationals, my best games were with it, but it was too much from straight on the team pattern and I had it at 2000, and the doubles and singles pattern had almost as much friction, so I wasn't getting any push in the middle when I moved in, so that's when I went to the Idol Pro.  It came out for exactly one shot in team and went back in the bag, way too much downlane.  From 4th-5th arrow on singles it was great but by then the shot was transitioning every other frame, and some really good shots off my hand went through the nose. 

So basically it's a really great compliment to the Phaze 2 or Pro Motion, it would NOT fit in that spot.  P2 and PM are great at blending the pattern, the Idol Pro is good at enhancing friction. 

Nah bruh lol. The proof will be there for this one, Iíd almost tell people not to run out and get it when it releases, give it all the time you need. Actually watch the PBA League coming up next week, these should be all over the place. Iíd expect a lot of the women to be throwing them too. Much more a tournament ball than a league ball, but these are gonna look good on house shots too to control those big cliffed shots. I hate being a staffer for balls like this because of how itís going to be received, but it is what it is.

The hype train is steaming down the tracks and some staffers whom I trust say this ball is going to rank up there with Hyroads and IQ Tours. Every staffer Iíve spoken with (8) said they will die on this hill.

So it's gonna be like the fight and phaze...got it

Iím very interested in the comparison between this, Idol Pro, and Phaze 2. All 3 will be fighting for that particular spot in my bag come tournament season, which my Phaze 2 currently holds.
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: AlonzoHarris on July 11, 2019, 12:36:06 PM
Idol Pro is quite a bit boomier on the backend than the PM or P2, it's a nice compliment if you want to keep moving left with a similar roll and similar hook potential, but the PM or P2 get soft from deeper angles, this one really moves on the backend.  I bowled the last two games of singles with it at nationals over the weekend and it looked really good.  I actually think the scope of use is greater with the Idol Pro than the Pro Motion.  The Pro Motion is the better ball by a very thin hair, because it's quite a bit more versatile, but for the general bowling population, I think the Idol Pro is going to be more popular.  Power for the straighter bowler that they generally don't see, recovery and big drive from deep for the high rev guys that usually see wiggle in the soup, but the one "fault" I guess you'd say is that it's gonna move on friction, it's just going to go, but that's also its strong point, depends on how you look at it.  The Pro Motion looked great on both the team and doubles and singles patterns at Nationals, my best games were with it, but it was too much from straight on the team pattern and I had it at 2000, and the doubles and singles pattern had almost as much friction, so I wasn't getting any push in the middle when I moved in, so that's when I went to the Idol Pro.  It came out for exactly one shot in team and went back in the bag, way too much downlane.  From 4th-5th arrow on singles it was great but by then the shot was transitioning every other frame, and some really good shots off my hand went through the nose. 

So basically it's a really great compliment to the Phaze 2 or Pro Motion, it would NOT fit in that spot.  P2 and PM are great at blending the pattern, the Idol Pro is good at enhancing friction. 

Nah bruh lol. The proof will be there for this one, Iíd almost tell people not to run out and get it when it releases, give it all the time you need. Actually watch the PBA League coming up next week, these should be all over the place. Iíd expect a lot of the women to be throwing them too. Much more a tournament ball than a league ball, but these are gonna look good on house shots too to control those big cliffed shots. I hate being a staffer for balls like this because of how itís going to be received, but it is what it is.

The hype train is steaming down the tracks and some staffers whom I trust say this ball is going to rank up there with Hyroads and IQ Tours. Every staffer Iíve spoken with (8) said they will die on this hill.

So it's gonna be like the fight and phaze...got it

Iím very interested in the comparison between this, Idol Pro, and Phaze 2. All 3 will be fighting for that particular spot in my bag come tournament season, which my Phaze 2 currently holds.

Excellent break down Luke - I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: leftybowler70 on July 11, 2019, 04:01:26 PM
So basically, I can ELIMINATE the majority of my benchmark pieces for this one.... decisions, decisions.  🤔
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: lefty50 on July 11, 2019, 06:32:27 PM
"We'll die all on this hill", " I can eliminate everything else"... It's time to start playing "You can do magic" as the background music every time this ball is mentioned....
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on July 11, 2019, 07:05:51 PM
How is this ball even a benchmark?  Don't you generally want to be able to go at least two balls up from your benchmark?  IMO even the GB3 is pushing it strength wise for a benchmark (love that ball though).  This might be a great ball (Luke usually (edit: almost aways) is right) but yeah probably not going to want to use it on 30 foot patterns so might not want to retire half your arsenal yet.

(edit: 9 boards stronger than an IQ Tour solid, silly strong, in fact according to DOPLAR it very close to the Crux Prime (less than a board) which makes sense, there is no step up from this benchmark lol)

(edit2:  sure its versatile for how strong it is but this ball screams Nationals ball to me)
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on July 11, 2019, 07:50:23 PM
Who said you could eliminate everything else?  I wouldn't . .

"We'll die all on this hill", " I can eliminate everything else"... It's time to start playing "You can do magic" as the background music every time this ball is mentioned....
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Matt C on July 25, 2019, 09:51:25 AM
I got the chance to throw this ball yesterday at a demo day.  Yes it has a belmo logo on it..

That is the only thing it has in common with the other belmo balls.

There is not a spot on the lanes you cant use this ball, it will turn the corner from any part of the lane.  I would compare it to an Idol, that does not start to puke when you get deep with it.
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Jesse James on July 25, 2019, 03:29:35 PM
After watching the PBA League finals. I think the Pro Motion has the "LOOK" that I envisioned the Idol Pro to have!

Watching them throw the Idol Pro......I was disappointed!

It might be worth a try for sure.
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: JamminJD on July 25, 2019, 09:00:02 PM
After watching the PBA League finals. I think the Pro Motion has the "LOOK" that I envisioned the Idol Pro to have!

Watching them throw the Idol Pro......I was disappointed!

It might be worth a try for sure.
Yep I got the same feel as you. Idol pro might turn out to be a great ball, but the pro motion looked the best in that short time frame..
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: JazlarVonSteich on July 26, 2019, 11:47:48 AM
After watching the PBA League finals. I think the Pro Motion has the "LOOK" that I envisioned the Idol Pro to have!

Watching them throw the Idol Pro......I was disappointed!

It might be worth a try for sure.

Some Storm/RG staffers/reviews said the Pro Motion would shine on sport, and the Idol Pro would shine on house. 
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Rileybowler on July 28, 2019, 01:24:43 PM
When Stu used this ball the first time he could not miss strike after strike and then the next time it was 10 pin after 10 pin after 10 pin. I didn't really see any great difference in this ball than any other ball. Now if it becomes as some have stated that you can use this ball on any condition then my question would be why did Stu not keep striking with the ball on the next night after all he is a pro.
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Jesse James on July 28, 2019, 09:43:13 PM
When Stu used this ball the first time he could not miss strike after strike and then the next time it was 10 pin after 10 pin after 10 pin. I didn't really see any great difference in this ball than any other ball. Now if it becomes as some have stated that you can use this ball on any condition then my question would be why did Stu not keep striking with the ball on the next night after all he is a pro.

Even a Pro, sometimes gets stubborn and does not change their angle entry! His angle entry was off, just by a smidgeon!!
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on July 28, 2019, 11:02:55 PM
Wes was seriously the only one on the last couple rounds that carried with any consistency, so given the benchmark of what happened to literally everyone else, all those other pros that sometimes didn't even hit the pocket, let alone strike when they did either still led me to the impression that it performed as good if not better than anything else.  If everyone else was striking and those using the PM weren't, then you have a case, but getting the pins down was super tough for everyone the last couple rounds so I'm not sure how you can nitpick on a handful of super hard wrap 10s when the ball was still hunting for the 7 pin from 4th and 5th arrow . . it still sounds to me like someone wanting to dislike the ball. 

It's also not a magic ball, no one said it was, it just rolls really nicely and has some reaction features that add up over time but physics are still physics, you still have to know what you're doing and throw it well, but given those conditions, it's going to perform as good as or better than other similar balls.  The Phaze 2 is a really good ball, the IQ Emerald is, the Idol Pro is, etc., but saying they're good balls doesn't mean they're going to magically hit the pocket more or strike more, it means they make it easier for you to stay in the pocket and easier for you to get the pins down more often . . the main key ingredient is still you.  It's a great tool, and one of the best ones out there, you're still not going to get very far if you're using a screwdriver on a nail though . . and going back to the PBA league, what else looked better than the Pro Motion and those throwing it aside from Wes and his Emerald??

When Stu used this ball the first time he could not miss strike after strike and then the next time it was 10 pin after 10 pin after 10 pin. I didn't really see any great difference in this ball than any other ball. Now if it becomes as some have stated that you can use this ball on any condition then my question would be why did Stu not keep striking with the ball on the next night after all he is a pro.
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Rileybowler on July 29, 2019, 09:59:16 AM
Wes was seriously the only one on the last couple rounds that carried with any consistency, so given the benchmark of what happened to literally everyone else, all those other pros that sometimes didn't even hit the pocket, let alone strike when they did either still led me to the impression that it performed as good if not better than anything else.  If everyone else was striking and those using the PM weren't, then you have a case, but getting the pins down was super tough for everyone the last couple rounds so I'm not sure how you can nitpick on a handful of super hard wrap 10s when the ball was still hunting for the 7 pin from 4th and 5th arrow . . it still sounds to me like someone wanting to dislike the ball. 

It's also not a magic ball, no one said it was, it just rolls really nicely and has some reaction features that add up over time but physics are still physics, you still have to know what you're doing and throw it well, but given those conditions, it's going to perform as good as or better than other similar balls.  The Phaze 2 is a really good ball, the IQ Emerald is, the Idol Pro is, etc., but saying they're good balls doesn't mean they're going to magically hit the pocket more or strike more, it means they make it easier for you to stay in the pocket and easier for you to get the pins down more often . . the main key ingredient is still you.  It's a great tool, and one of the best ones out there, you're still not going to get very far if you're using a screwdriver on a nail though . . and going back to the PBA league, what else looked better than the Pro Motion and those throwing it aside from Wes and his Emerald??

When Stu used this ball the first time he could not miss strike after strike and then the next time it was 10 pin after 10 pin after 10 pin. I didn't really see any great difference in this ball than any other ball. Now if it becomes as some have stated that you can use this ball on any condition then my question would be why did Stu not keep striking with the ball on the next night after all he is a pro.


I wasn't knit picking I was simply stating what I saw with the hype of this particular ball. I am not a Storm hater, although I do use Roto Grip a lot . As to the other statement that pros become stubborn about moving deeper, Stu did move deeper with the same results.
Title: Re: Pro-Motion Video Review
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on July 29, 2019, 10:51:06 AM
One other thing I wanted to point out which I think is the most important facet of the Pro Motion reaction is the consistency of the read, which I think was VERY evident at the PBA League.  The other bowlers had pretty different experiences between the right and left lanes, and the Pro Motion tends to read the lane more than the oil pattern and maintain a more similar reaction and motion from lane to lane than traditional resin does, and this was impressed on me at nationals.  The Pro Motion read both patterns virtually the same, while the Idol Pro was not usable in the slightest on the team pattern, but was pretty nice on the doubles and singles pattern.  The difference in reaction of every other ball I threw on both shots was stark and obvious, while the Pro Motion did nearly the same thing on both patterns. 

The downfall to this of course is that it can be difficult when ball changing from or to the Pro Motion (and the Crux Prime) because it tends to mute smaller details on the lane that typical resin balls, even stuff like the IQ Tour Solid, would pick up on.  Again, either a good or a bad thing as if you CAN use the Pro Motion, it ignores or resists transition literally better than any other ball I've thrown, but if you can't use it, it's probably going to take you a frame or two longer to make a ball switch than usual because you're going to see the transition details more vividly with other balls. 

So without bias and being a homer, there are things it does that are literally better than the rest of the balls out there, seriously, BUT it's not without its drawbacks . . which I think still results in a net gain.  It ignored the difference between the two lanes that every other player saw at the PBA League, and that's something immeasurably important to me as a tournament bowler.  If it's in play on a certain pattern, it's going to be in play from all angles the whole day unless there's a stupid amount of transition, and I haven't been able to say that for any other ball, not even the Phaze 2.  It's not about drawing up a narrative or repping my company, it's about observations and letting reaction lead me to a conclusion.  I also don't think it's a difference you're necessarily going to see out of somebody else throwing it, all bowling balls are just going to look like bowling balls going down the lane . . it's more in the finer details that really separate reactions and certain balls that are otherwise very similar.  Astro PhysiX and Halo Pearl for example are really similar visually on the lane, but feel pretty different to me, and I'd use them in different situations from different angles on the lane, and the details are what create the effective differences, not necessarily the visual ones.  This is why pros will drill two of the same ball different ways, and they'll LOOK like identical reactions, but one is just a little quicker on friction or a little slower, and the difference in feel to the bowler can make all the difference in the world.