Author Topic: Satisfied with the Natural mini review (Read 979 times)

BrunsMike · « **on:** February 05, 2010, 09:51:07 AM »

Well I was looking to pick up this ball for the longest time now. I finally got one 2 week's ago. Had to wait a week before I can use it due to the plugging/redrilling process. So I got it this week and used it Wednesday night for leauge, Last night for substitute, and today in practice.

1st initial thought's of this ball was holy crap it is aggressive! The surface is OOB. I started out wednesday night practice playing 15-5 and the ball went brooklyn. I thought the speed was slow seeing it was the 1st ball of the night. Next shot faster, brooklyn but higher on the head pin. Now I'm at my normal speed 6 shot's later and still nosing the pocket.

I have to play this ball 20-7 to make the pocket. Not a huge problem really, still straighter then my T-Road Pearl. The next thing I noticed with this ball is that there is NO over/under reaction with this ball. Very smooth hook and it's a continous hook. I also noticed I can play close to the same line all night long with minor speed adjustment's or a 1 or 2 board adjustment.

Pin carry can be an issue though. This is probably the only negative to this ball for me. I tend to leave weak 10's, stone 8's and 9's. I'm still learning this ball though, I only have 9 game's on it so I expect pin carry to improve as I learn this ball more.

This ball is like being reunited with a best friend you have not seen in 10 year's.

Here's the score's from the 9 game's I have shot with it, 1st 6 are on Fresh THS, last 3 are on a High School girl's sport shot after they got done practicing:

204, 203, 204, 202, 222, 225, 210, 246, 219.

This ball has been extremely consistant in my hand's.

Happy and looking forward to the future with this one.
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Mike Zadler
"When in doubt, Pull out" - Rob Stone
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/SearchUSBC/ViewMember.aspx?prefix=552&suffix=12886

lil League Coach · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2010, 07:41:29 PM »

The ball is a great ball!! A must have for a tournament player.. I have mine drilled 4 x 4 axis on PAP. I took the surface down to 1000 abralon and put a light polish on it and the ball rolls like a charm. When the lanes are tricky you know you can pull this ball out and have a smooth reaction.
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TJ TROUT
PBA EAST REGIONAL MEMBER
Vise Grip Staff "choice of champions"
thomasjtrout@yahoo.com
Keglers Pro Shop - Owner (www.keglersproshop.com)

BrunsMike · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2010, 08:58:27 PM »

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The ball is a great ball!! A must have for a tournament player.. I have mine drilled 4 x 4 axis on PAP. I took the surface down to 1000 abralon and put a light polish on it and the ball rolls like a charm. When the lanes are tricky you know you can pull this ball out and have a smooth reaction.
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TJ TROUT
PBA EAST REGIONAL MEMBER
Vise Grip Staff "choice of champions"
thomasjtrout@yahoo.com
Keglers Pro Shop - Owner (www.keglersproshop.com)

My ball is probably 4.5x5 no x-hole. I haven't checked my PAP lately so that could be off some. The layout is pretty much label with the pin over ring CG in palm. I'm anxious to try this ball in the PBAx leauge this summer. Now it's time to go figure out my Storm Gravity Shift.
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Mike Zadler
"When in doubt, Pull out" - Rob Stone
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/SearchUSBC/ViewMember.aspx?prefix=552&suffix=12886

J_w73 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2010, 11:21:27 PM »

What do you think about putting a 1.5 to 2" pin to pap on it??
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience

BrunsMike · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2010, 12:32:58 AM »

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What do you think about putting a 1.5 to 2" pin to pap on it??
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience

My educated guess is the ball would get into a roll very early and have a little less overall hook.

Don't quote me on that because I've never seen anyone do this kind of layout in my area. Just like nobody here has ever heard of a Sarge Easter Grip and Rico Drilling.
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Mike Zadler
"When in doubt, Pull out" - Rob Stone
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/SearchUSBC/ViewMember.aspx?prefix=552&suffix=12886

J_w73 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2010, 12:50:57 AM »

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What do you think about putting a 1.5 to 2" pin to pap on it??
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience

My educated guess is the ball would get into a roll very early and have a little less overall hook.

Don't quote me on that because I've never seen anyone do this kind of layout in my area. Just like nobody here has ever heard of a Sarge Easter Grip and Rico Drilling.
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Mike Zadler
"When in doubt, Pull out" - Rob Stone
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/SearchUSBC/ViewMember.aspx?prefix=552&suffix=12886

I would imagine the same.. early but less hook.. and pretty smooth and controlled
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience

BrunsMike · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2010, 01:04:09 AM »

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What do you think about putting a 1.5 to 2" pin to pap on it??
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience

My educated guess is the ball would get into a roll very early and have a little less overall hook.

Don't quote me on that because I've never seen anyone do this kind of layout in my area. Just like nobody here has ever heard of a Sarge Easter Grip and Rico Drilling.
--------------------
Mike Zadler
"When in doubt, Pull out" - Rob Stone
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/SearchUSBC/ViewMember.aspx?prefix=552&suffix=12886

I would imagine the same.. early but less hook.. and pretty smooth and controlled
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience

The ball is already really smooth and controlled as it is, I'm not sure how much more smoother you can get it. I already have a hard enough time seeing when the ball is making it's turn to the pocket. This is why I'm having a tough time getting this thing to carry.
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Mike Zadler
"When in doubt, Pull out" - Rob Stone
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/SearchUSBC/ViewMember.aspx?prefix=552&suffix=12886

J_w73 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2010, 01:07:22 AM »

thanks for that.. how strong do you think it would be at 4 inch pin to pap..

I'm just afraid if I go with a long pin high rg drilling for length that it will get too snappy on the backend..
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience

BrunsMike · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2010, 01:15:14 AM »

That''s about where I''m at now, 4.5x5. This ball is a tad strong with this current layout and can be tamed down with a slight surface change or a light coat of polish, which ever you prefer and are more comfortable with.

http://videoballreviews.com/natural.html

Check out that video of the Storm Natural with a 4.5 Pin to Pap. This is EXACTLY what I see with my ball, only I play a little farther inside. I normally stand on 25, ball''s layed down at 22 and break point is around 8-5 board on a THS.

LOL, watching that video comparing the Natural to the Furious, I now want a Furious!
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Mike Zadler
"When in doubt, Pull out" - Rob Stone
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/SearchUSBC/ViewMember.aspx?prefix=552&suffix=12886

Edited on 2/6/2010 2:24 AM

J_w73 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2010, 11:59:01 AM »

ok.. that is pretty smooth... does it ever get jumpy? What about with a higher degree of axis rotation.. still smooth

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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience

BrunsMike · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2010, 12:17:55 PM »

In the 9 game's I've used this ball in, I have not seen any kind of jump in the dry. The only time I've seen this ball hook more or less is when my speed is too slow or too fast. So that bring's me to another small negative. This ball is speed sensitive. Reactive coverstock's aren't as picky to ball speed as Urethane is. If you don't have an issue with consistant ball speed then this won't be a factor to you.

I don't mind this negative because I need to work on ball speed control as well as hitting my mark's so to me this ball is a training tool as well.

I can't talk about how the high degree axis tilt will effect the ball. That's something I have yet to learn.
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Mike Zadler
"When in doubt, Pull out" - Rob Stone
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/SearchUSBC/ViewMember.aspx?prefix=552&suffix=12886

J_w73 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2010, 01:10:01 PM »

not tilt.. degree of rotation... how it rotates in relating to the lane.. 90 deg is perpendicular to the length of the lane.. 0 deg is rolling with the lane, minimal hook..

higher degree usually equals a more skid snap reaction on balls. I ask because I tend to have a higher degree
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience

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