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Brickguy221

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Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« on: July 03, 2008, 02:15:40 AM »
I have been looking at an Ebonite Playmaker and then have decided to look instead at Storm also as I haven't had a Storm ball for a few years. I am looking at "maybe" a Rapid Fire Pearl and then heard there is also a Rapid Fire Solid that is polished.

Are there 2 Rapid Fires?

If so, what are the differences and conditions for each?
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2008, 10:01:33 AM »
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I think the difference is because of the way the fire line is made. It doesnt have a filler in it. It is core and shell. More like the old school balls.
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Are you sure about that Jbracer?  I went to Storm's site & they don't have that info one way or the other.  I would think they would advertise that if it were the case, like Lane Masters World Class does.  Also, wouldn't it be more expensive?  Only someone who has physically drilled the ball would know, I guess.  Maybe you have?
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2008, 10:12:18 AM »
Definately just core and cover. My thumb hole doesnt hit anything till about 2" in.
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2008, 10:52:14 AM »
I agree.  The coverstock is very thick on my Spit Fire.  The core on the Fire line balls is so big, I can see why they would just go ahead and use cover the whole way down instead of adding filler.  The cost of the material vs. the manufacturing and labor cost is probably close enough they were able to just avoid filler altogether on those balls.
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2008, 01:25:31 PM »
I have talked to Victor Marion by Email at Storm this morning and I gave him my back ground, style, sucessful and not successful drillings and he has given me a suggested drilling for the Rapid Fire Solid that he feels will work for me, so all I can do is to try it and go from there.

If it doesn't work, I simply will have to chalk it up as another lesson learned when ordering a ball in the future in terms of checking whether a ball has filler or solid reisn as well as core weights and the low RG's as well as differential for the specific weight I throw and not go by the posted weights which are usually 16#, I believe it is.
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2008, 02:32:40 PM »
Okay on the Cover/Core/No Filler issue.  Didn't know they did it that way.

Good luck Brickguy!!  Think positive.  Might just work out yet.


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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2008, 03:00:17 PM »
My Rapid Fire Solid was used when I got with a super flippy layout pin over bridge and cg stacked mid grip, it has 5 games total between both owners it goes about 50 feet and makes real flippy move to the pocket. I think I am going to redrill it pin under ring and low weight hole it in the thumb quad, just not a very forgiving ball at all with that drilling on it.

The same guy who sold me the flippy drilled ball has a pin under ring ball and it acts like an entirely different ball, so go figure that out it does make a huge difference even though pin to pap within an 1 1/8 total.

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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2008, 04:31:28 PM »
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I have talked to Victor Marion by Email at Storm this morning and I gave him my back ground, style, sucessful and not successful drillings and he has given me a suggested drilling for the Rapid Fire Solid that he feels will work for me, so all I can do is to try it and go from there.

If it doesn't work, I simply will have to chalk it up as another lesson learned when ordering a ball in the future in terms of checking whether a ball has filler or solid reisn as well as core weights and the low RG's as well as differential for the specific weight I throw and not go by the posted weights which are usually 16#, I believe it is.
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Jim,

STOP THAT!
You're expecting the ball not to work. If you think it won't work, then it won't, no matter what you do. Be positive. You got the Storm techie to help you. Make it work for you!!!! C'mon, now!!!
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2008, 06:06:30 PM »
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Jim,

STOP THAT!
You're expecting the ball not to work. If you think it won't work, then it won't, no matter what you do. Be positive. You got the Storm techie to help you. Make it work for you!!!! C'mon, now!!!

 


Jeff...I know you are right in what you said here. I guess it is just the fact that I had such bad luck with Legends balls that are solid reisn that I am leary, scared or what ever.

However, I now feel much-much beter about it....I talked to my driller that is going to drill the ball today and gave him copies of my communications with Victor Marion and my driller agrees with Victor, so that made me feel way-way better.

The ball hadn't been shipped yet, so my driller called and changed the order from a 2-3 inch pin to a 4 to 4 1/2 inch pin that Victor recommended and since he agrees with Victor, he is going to drill it like Victor said which is 3 3/8 x 3 with a 1 1/2 inch Pin buffer and a weight hole 2 1/2" below the PAP with a 7/8" drill bit, 3 1/2" deep and drill the fingers shallow enough so not to drill into the core per Victor's instructions.
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2008, 09:00:01 PM »
That's a better attitude, Jim.

Sounds interesting.
Ever try anything like that with Legends balls?
If you have any left and that srill works with the Rapid Fire, you might try drilling with one of their polished solids, just to see what happends.
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2008, 10:51:22 PM »
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Ever try anything like that with Legends balls?
If you have any left and that srill works with the Rapid Fire, you might try drilling with one of their polished solids, just to see what happends


Jeff....I never tried this drilling on Legends balls as it is all new for me compared to drillings I have always had. My original Legends drillings and cover stock adjustments were recommended by Galen Gentry. When they didn't work, the next ones were recommended by Anne Marie Duggan and when that didn't work, that's when I pulled all of them out of my bag and sold all of the balls, so I don't have any left to try it on.

This will be a first for me on a 4 to 4 1/2 inch Pin. I've never had much luck with even Pins in the 3 1/2 to 4 inch area, then again I have never had a ball drilled like this.

I'll report what happens when I get the ball and try it.
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2008, 02:41:20 PM »
I only suggested it because many Legends/Lanemasters balls' cores are in the same range/area as your 14 lb Rapid Fire: RG: 2.6, Diff: .04"

Of course, ball always = core + cover, but that RP's polished solid cover is a lot like the World Class Reactive's and the Big-R-Bang's cover.

So I thought there was a possiblity, but if you sold them all ...
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2008, 05:13:05 PM »
i'm curious to know how this ball and drill combination worked for you
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2008, 05:21:11 PM »
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i'm curious to know how this ball and drill combination worked for you  


Crossup, I haven't drilled it yet. We've had company for 2 weeks now and I haven't had time to go to pro shop. I hope to drill it this coming Monday or Tues, so give me another week to get it drilled and try it and I will then report on it.
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2008, 11:08:03 PM »
Here is a quick brief report on the Rapid Fire Solid. Initially I am not all that happy with the ball....yet as I don't give up that easy.

Storm said to get a 4 to 4.5 inch Pin ball. The distributor sent a 3 to 3.5 inch Pin ball with the actual size being 3" with a top weight of 3 oz. as he didn't have a 4 to 4.5 inch Pin in a 14# ball.

Drilled the ball per Storm's instructions which was 3 3/8 x 3 with a 1 1/2 inch Pin buffer and a weight hole 2 1/2" below the PAP with a 7/8" drill bit, 3 1/2" deep. The CG ended up on the mid-line instead of 1" below the mid-line. Ball ended up with 1/2 oz finger weight and 1/2 oz positive side weight.

I bowled 7 games with it splitting time between a used lane shot and a fresh lane shot on Brunswick Pro Anvil Synthetic Lanes. My average is 186 and I had games of 179-169-173-187-177-173-178 with not many strikes.

The ball was quite shiny as if it was a Pearl and not a polished Solid. It skated thru the heads more than my Heist and Twisted Fury do on the same conditions and didn't turn the corner like they do. When it sniffed the dry, it took it's time and arced sloooowly towards the pocket. Throw it a wee bit wide and it would leave a washout or a 2-4-10 split. There was no way it could make it back like my Heist and Twisted Fury do if thrown a wee bit wide. It did seem to hit the pins fairly hard, but the mix and carry was bad. Quite possibly because it skated too much in the heads and not enough revs when it rolled in to the pin deck maybe????

I want to try it in my Senior league tomorrow afternoon, so I am going to try to dim the shine on it a wee bit and go from there.

This ball comes sanded at 1500 grit and polished (this ball appears very HIGHLY polished) Another option I might try is to sand to 1000 Grit with an Abralon Pad, apply Valentino's Resurrection and then polish lightly with Valentino's Snake Oil.

I will probably do one of these two things I have mentioned here. Will report back after I try a-and-or some surface adjustments.
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Re: Rapid Fire Pearl vs Rapid Fire Solid
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2008, 11:46:01 PM »
most Rapid Fire Solid's I have seen, have only been lightly polished, it's possible to where your ball just might have a little too much polish. The idea you have of taking it to 1000, then doing Resurection and a light coat of snake-oil should be able to solve your problems
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