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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: slimeypebble on November 03, 2019, 03:50:03 PM
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i am returning from a few year leave from bowling. Anyone have any suggestions on a replacement for a razor wire? for me it was a complete benchmark ball that o could throw on anything except long sport patterns. Thanks for any suggestions
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I would say one of the Hy-Roads in the Thunder line (nearly same RG and diff). I am a big fan of the OG Hy-Road but I guess the Hy-Road X can handle more oil and the All-Road more oil still.
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Having had several Razor Wires, I'd suggest that the Hy-Roads may be a notch stronger than the Razors. The cores on the HRs are a mite stronger with a much stronger coverstock than the Razor's Pro-Glide.
(https://www.stormbowling.com/razor-wire-bbmtrw15)
I'd suggest the Red/Blue Match-up Hybrid. The core and coverstock strengths are closer. But the Match-ups use polished surfaces; so you'll have to sand it to make it equivalent to the Razor.
(https://www.stormbowling.com/matchupbrb-1)
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Having had several Razor Wires, I'd suggest that the Hy-Roads may be a notch stronger than the Razors. The cores on the HRs are a mite stronger with a much stronger coverstock than the Razor's Pro-Glide.
(https://www.stormbowling.com/razor-wire-bbmtrw15)
I'd suggest the Red/Blue Match-up Hybrid. The core and coverstock strengths are closer. But the Match-ups use polished surfaces; so you'll have to sand it to make it equivalent to the Razor.
(https://www.stormbowling.com/matchupbrb-1)
Charlest, is the Match Up Black Pearl out of place for this? To me, its the best in the Match Up series. Definitely one of my favorites and not as sensative imo when I have the cover matched up properly.
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Boost Hybrid with some surface. Almost the same numbers and I would think a bit stronger cover.
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Having had several Razor Wires, I'd suggest that the Hy-Roads may be a notch stronger than the Razors. The cores on the HRs are a mite stronger with a much stronger coverstock than the Razor's Pro-Glide.
(https://www.stormbowling.com/razor-wire-bbmtrw15)
I'd suggest the Red/Blue Match-up Hybrid. The core and coverstock strengths are closer. But the Match-ups use polished surfaces; so you'll have to sand it to make it equivalent to the Razor.
(https://www.stormbowling.com/matchupbrb-1)
Charlest, is the Match Up Black Pearl out of place for this? To me, its the best in the Match Up series. Definitely one of my favorites and not as sensative imo when I have the cover matched up properly.
The problem is the Razor Wire was/is a dull solid. The original poster said nothing about polishing it up. So the MU pearl is likely to be much flippier (even if it is not a flippy pearl) than a Razor Wire. I feel safer recommending that the OP sand a polished hybrid than a polished pearl. It could turn out that a sanded/dull MU Black pearl could work, but it's more likely that the Hybrid would be closer to his Razor Wire. That said, there might be several non-Storm balls that could be a lot closer than a Match Up, but this was posted in the Storm section; so that is my best guess.
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Here is the problem with trying to replace a Razor Wire, with a piece from today.
Reactor is currently the weakest cover available, not a urethane, in Storm's line-up. Reactor, No matter pearl or solid, created more traction and is stronger than Accu-Tread.This was a huge leap forward for Storm in how the cover reacted to the lane.
Monsoon and Typhoon cover was weaker than Reactor. Monsoon and Typhoon were stronger than Accu-Tread. Accu-Tread was stronger than Curelyon. Curelyon created more traction, and was stronger than Pro-Glide, which was the cover used on the Razor Wire.
Since the covers have gotten so much stronger, it is hard to give a good recommendation for such an old ball, that was very unique in cover material.
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Even though the Razor Wire cover is weaker than pretty much everything on the market, the OP's question isn't about replacing his Razor Wire with an identical ball. The OP is looking for a benchmark ball for everything short of long sport patterns. It would have probably been better to not say what ball he/she used to use.
As usual, you will get a lot of suggestions. To get the best results, get with a trusted pro shop and let them see how you bowl and they should be able to get the best piece in your hands. You could to get his suggestion and bring it here for debate. But you will probably just get people wanting to push their favorite ball company's version of whatever is suggested.
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Good idea to talk to PSO first for sure but honestly AFAIK with one exception (who is a good guy regardless) no staffers on here and most did recommend from the brand and forum OP posted to. I certainly have no vested interest as if anything less into Storm lately and they are pretty small part of my arsenal. Hy-Road as a benchmark isn't the most out there advice especially since OP obviously doesn't mind higher RG balls but yeah best to talk to a pro.
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Having had several Razor Wires, I'd suggest that the Hy-Roads may be a notch stronger than the Razors. The cores on the HRs are a mite stronger with a much stronger coverstock than the Razor's Pro-Glide.
(https://www.stormbowling.com/razor-wire-bbmtrw15)
I'd suggest the Red/Blue Match-up Hybrid. The core and coverstock strengths are closer. But the Match-ups use polished surfaces; so you'll have to sand it to make it equivalent to the Razor.
(https://www.stormbowling.com/matchupbrb-1)
Charlest, is the Match Up Black Pearl out of place for this? To me, its the best in the Match Up series. Definitely one of my favorites and not as sensative imo when I have the cover matched up properly.
The problem is the Razor Wire was/is a dull solid. The original poster said nothing about polishing it up. So the MU pearl is likely to be much flippier (even if it is not a flippy pearl) than a Razor Wire. I feel safer recommending that the OP sand a polished hybrid than a polished pearl. It could turn out that a sanded/dull MU Black pearl could work, but it's more likely that the Hybrid would be closer to his Razor Wire. That said, there might be several non-Storm balls that could be a lot closer than a Match Up, but this was posted in the Storm section; so that is my best guess.
MU Black Pearl does come sanded. Most wouldn't even know its a pearl if it weren't in the name.
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Good idea to talk to PSO first for sure but honestly AFAIK with one exception (who is a good guy regardless) no staffers on here and most did recommend from the brand and forum OP posted to. I certainly have no vested interest as if anything less into Storm lately and they are pretty small part of my arsenal. Hy-Road as a benchmark isn't the most out there advice especially since OP obviously doesn't mind higher RG balls but yeah best to talk to a pro.
I didn't intend my post to be confrontational. After review it could be construed that way. I don't disagree with much of what was said. Too many times these types of threads divulge into everyone throwing out the name of their current favorite ball and many times balls that aren't released yet will be suggested (which makes zero sense).
I think one time years ago someone checked on one of these ball suggestion threads and there were over 30 different balls suggested. So I wanted to get what I consider the most logical suggestion out as soon as possible to hopefully prevent this from heading in that direction.
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Even though the Razor Wire cover is weaker than pretty much everything on the market, the OP's question isn't about replacing his Razor Wire with an identical ball. The OP is looking for a benchmark ball for everything short of long sport patterns. It would have probably been better to not say what ball he/she used to use.
As usual, you will get a lot of suggestions. To get the best results, get with a trusted pro shop and let them see how you bowl and they should be able to get the best piece in your hands. You could to get his suggestion and bring it here for debate. But you will probably just get people wanting to push their favorite ball company's version of whatever is suggested.
The title of his thread is "replacement for a Razor Wire", lol!
A "benchmark ball" has different meanings to different people. One person will say it's a ball they use 90% of the time. Another will say it's the ball that they go to first to read a lane and see what ball they should use. yet another person may say it's the ball right in the middle of their arsenal; in a 5 ball arsenal 2 that hook more, and 2 that hook less. Benchmark is very open ended.
He said he used the Razor Wire most of the time, except high volume sport patterns. To me, that translates into someone who was using a very weak ball even for it's time (although it did have surface on it) a lot. That says that he either has a slower ball speed, or a lot of hand, or bowled on fairly dry conditions, or possibly likes to throw it towards the pocket. Again, very open ended.
Knowing that some centers use newer oil, but that there are still a lot of centers that use old oil technology, and volumes very greatly from one center to the other; pointing out this information on how much stronger today's equipment is than the piece he used a lot, especially if he has been out of the game for a bit, seems to make sense. Match Ups slow down a lot sooner than a Razor Wire would. Since I still see a local bowler throwing a Razor Wire, giving the OP information on how much technology has evolved, isn't a stretch at all. Education is a good thing. It will help him when he talks to his pro shop to see if they are really trying to put him in the correct piece, or just trying to make a sale.
The worst thing to do is to throw spaghetti against a wall to see if it sticks. Educating the consumer about technology is a good thing, not a bad thing.
This I agree with 100%;
To get the best results, get with a trusted pro shop and let them see how you bowl and they should be able to get the best piece in your hands.
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Good idea to talk to PSO first for sure but honestly AFAIK with one exception (who is a good guy regardless) no staffers on here and most did recommend from the brand and forum OP posted to. I certainly have no vested interest as if anything less into Storm lately and they are pretty small part of my arsenal. Hy-Road as a benchmark isn't the most out there advice especially since OP obviously doesn't mind higher RG balls but yeah best to talk to a pro.
I didn't intend my post to be confrontational. After review it could be construed that way. I don't disagree with much of what was said. Too many times these types of threads divulge into everyone throwing out the name of their current favorite ball and many times balls that aren't released yet will be suggested (which makes zero sense).
I think one time years ago someone checked on one of these ball suggestion threads and there were over 30 different balls suggested. So I wanted to get what I consider the most logical suggestion out as soon as possible to hopefully prevent this from heading in that direction.
+1 and understand and agree. Always liked your posts (good wisdom) so all good.
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I'm following this. The Razor Wire was my 2nd favorite Storm ball ever,behind the Eraser.
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Did I just get a complement??
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Thank you everyone for the input. i love the discussion, and glad I came back to this site. I always liked reading stuff from charlest and impending doom. In all honesty ball company does not matter to me. I just want a predictable shape and movement from my ball. when i said benchmark, its my first out of the bag cause i knew what it was going to do and i could roll it on so many patterns. i did go to a shop and went with a destiny solid, surface to 3000. not drilled yet but he said it should be a juiced up version of it and even if not i always wanted to throw something like a cyclone (which from what i hear its just a new version of it).
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Hope you enjoy it!