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Schlemer report on World Championship
« on: October 29, 2008, 01:20:12 AM »
Most interesting stuff is at end regarding how players worked the TV pair during practice.  Like it or not, pro bowling is about 1,000 times more complex than it was years ago.

http://www.stormbowling.com/bowling-news/story.asp?enewsid=2711&intl=True

 

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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2008, 02:03:45 PM »
This is why I think it is hysterical when people say that Barnes basically has no clue and chokes.  Even Sclem himself said that AFTER Barnes made the ball change and went right, he pretty much struck at will during the break.  Great report and look forward to seeing these more in future weeks ahead.  Thanks for posting this, Riggs.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2008, 02:17:20 PM »
I am all for playing within the rules, and using the rules to your advantage. I am just simple starting conversation as to if the rules need to be changed based on "the game of 2008". Every other sport has altered their rules as times and technology advances, why not the PBA, and USBC?? I do not watch racing, but I do know that there are certain rules and restrictions that need to be followed, and those rules and restrictions change based on how former participants viewed these said rules. Football, all I have to say is Billy B. of the Patriots. Basketball, the players can now take a hundred steps without being called for traveling, because of the game today. Bowling is still using rules that were developed when a strike ball was as weak as our spare balls of todays game.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2008, 02:45:27 PM »
Wait wait wait... Bowling is a total offensive game. There is no defense in this sport! You can only try and beat your opponent with sheer numbers. There is no tackling, roughing, beating up your opponent here. So you do what you have to do within your best interest to win. This has gone on for many many many years on the telecast. It was nothing back 8-10 yrs ago to see people throwing plastic in the track to get oil to carry down on some shorter patterns. Why wouldn't it be in Norm's best interest to try and play left of 12 just in case. Granted he did have fresh surface on the ball, but he was trying something. Now of course Schlem came out and said it was a tactic, but there are many times where it is just trying something else during that practice time. There is nothing wrong with what Norm did by any such standards. There is no rule, nor will there ever be a rule against that type of defense as Schlem puts it. You just can't have a rule against it, sorry to the people that think it is bad or unsportsmanlike. But that is sometimes what you have to do to win!
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2008, 02:45:41 PM »
BTW yet another great report from Chris as usual
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2008, 03:03:34 PM »
Hey Tommy, I hope my post didn't sound like I was calling you out.. It wasn't my intention at all, I was just making a general point.

I hear the points about rule changes, but very hard to enforce anything and I feel detrimental also.

I personally LIKE the fact that you can deliberately hurt your opponent with strategy. It adds a new dimension to the game! Bowling as a 100% offensive game isn't nearly as interesting a multi-dimensional game. Assuming the status quo of the balls remains, pro bowlers in the future will have to be multi skilled to survive.

Offensive game, as has always been the backbone of the sport. Shot making, managing the lane for yourself.

Defensive game, strategic play for taking your opponent out of his comfort zone, be it psychological (going on for years already) or my trying to hurt his ball reaction.

Counter-offense - in short, the ability to deal with your opponents defense. The physical tools to play the lane however the match plays out (i.e. the middle of the lane gets fried, you gotta make the move right to compete you need the tools!) and also the mental toughness to deal with anything your opponent throws at you.

Just ask the games trash talkers of old and new whether they had a 'defense', Big Ernie S, PA etc.

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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2008, 03:10:53 PM »
There is not a single word in any of my posts that states that I feel this practice is "unsportsmanlike, or wrong or cheating". It is all done within the rules as the rules are currently stated. But, rules have changed, and rules will change, and I do not see a problem with a rule that says you are only allowed to use 1000 grit (arbitrary number)  on your bowling ball during competition.

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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2008, 03:17:30 PM »
Did any of you see Norm late in the game, I think in the 10th?  He went deep inside & guess what he did?  He struck, LOL.  Say what you will, he's gotta versatile game & if he had to play inside to win, he could.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2008, 08:57:57 PM »
Great posts guys - very good thread with lots of stuff to ponder.
Bottom line: All this shows how much more complex bowling is now compared to when I started and before.  
I have argued many times that bowling is more mentally challenging than it was in the days of carrying 2 balls drilled on the label, finding a place to play and moving a couple of boards in the course of a league or tournament.
There are so many more choices to make, adjustments to make, and things like lane management to consider.
Sure, scores are higher a lot of the time with easy conditions. But in some respects bowling is a lot TOUGHER today than it used to be.

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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2008, 09:02:33 PM »
Thanks for the link, Jeff.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2008, 09:04:17 PM »
riggs, have you gotten either your HYROAD or VIRTUAL GRAVITY yet?
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2008, 09:07:12 PM »
Question. Did the article change or anything? Because when I read it, it doesn't say too much about any of the players trying to mess up another player's line, and that is what this thread turned into. Or did all of this just come from the change that Barnes had made between matches?
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2008, 09:14:35 PM »
I think you guys should ask Riggs to describe his match play tactics in DuBuque, IA a few years ago !!!
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2008, 09:23:10 PM »
quote:
I think you guys should ask Riggs to describe his match play tactics in DuBuque, IA a few years ago !!!
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2008, 09:38:24 PM »
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Question. Did the article change or anything? Because when I read it, it doesn't say too much about any of the players trying to mess up another player's line, and that is what this thread turned into. Or did all of this just come from the change that Barnes had made between matches?
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I think it did.  In the original he mentions "team Mexico" referencing the semifinal warmups & how they tried to burn Norm's line & also the one referencing Barnes is outta there too, that preceded what Chris told Norm before the final.  Huh, maybe there was some whining by some peeps to the folks in Utah, LOL.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2008, 09:54:08 PM »
Something tells me there's plenty of behind the scenes conversations that I'd love to be a fly on the wall that take place on tour.
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