Author Topic: 2nd Dimension help! (Read 2382 times)

BIGJOEPAPA727 · « **on:** April 21, 2009, 10:57:22 PM »

As I read all of the reviews for this ball and I see people throw it, it seems like I'm the only person this ball did NOT work for. I drilled my 2nd Dimension pin under bridge cd kicked, would end up 5x4 pin down.

I throw around 16mph with 350-400 rpms.

I go to practice on a freshly oiled pair, and stand where my comfort zone would be, playing around 16 at the arrows. I throw my first shot with this brand new 2nd Dimension, and it slides directly into the right gutter, making no move at all. I pick up the ball and attempt to play the same line, thinking I just needed to break the ball in. Same result, directly into the right gutter. So I decide I want to just keep it on the lane, moved 10 boards right and just threw it, not really trying to hit a certain part of the lane. The ball went about 50ft then made a small, angular move. Just to make sure it wasnt lane conditions, I threw my Hy-Road 5.5x4.5 pin down the same line the 2nd Dimension guttered on, and went high and left a 4 pin.

We ended up putting a weight hole in it to increase the flare and it didn't make any noticable difference. I figured at this point the only way to save this ball was to take the cover down to 1000 then bring it back up 2000-4000. Threw the ball at 4000 at it rolled earlier then my Hy-Road at 2000.

I have since sold this ball to a friend, but seeing all the great results from everybody makes me want to give it another try, but I don't want another $200 paperweight. Does anybody think that drilling a 2nd Dimension pin up a bit stronger would give me better results?

FrontTwelv · « **Reply #1 on:** April 22, 2009, 12:15:16 PM »

i have similar specs to you, i recently drilled mine 5 x 4 pin up and its the strongest thing i've had in my hand in awhile, MUCH more than my hy-road.
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Steve Richter · « **Reply #2 on:** April 22, 2009, 12:39:29 PM »

Bigjoe:

What was the flare split on the ball (distance in inches between flare lines next to the thumb)? Did you try knocking the shine off the ball and if so what did it do different?
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USBC Silver Level Coach
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BIGJOEPAPA727 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 22, 2009, 01:48:53 PM »

quote:
Bigjoe:

What was the flare split on the ball (distance in inches between flare lines next to the thumb)? Did you try knocking the shine off the ball and if so what did it do different?
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Steve Richter
USBC Silver Level Coach
IBPSIA Certified Technician

The flare split at first was real tight, we put the hole in to open up the flare, which it did, but didn't make a big enough difference on the lane. Taking the ball to 4000 resulted in it rolling too early, and when I tried re-applying polish it never flipped. I tried 4000+polish and 2000+polish.

Putting the ball pin up would probably have been a better idea.

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #4 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:04:44 PM »

I'm assuming you didn't try a lower grit underlying surface with polish, like 1000 abralon then polish, or 500 abralon then polish, right?

mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 22, 2009, 03:30:16 PM »

Go pin up and knock off the factory polish, throw it and if needed re polish. Start at 4k no polish.

Jesse James · « **Reply #6 on:** April 22, 2009, 06:50:44 PM »

That's a great idea from Dan Belcher. I have a couple of Roto balls that were given to me, and when I threw them, they just never moved. Since they have always just sat on my rack, they then become experimental balls.

I put a 1000 abralon, with a small amount of polish on a Supersonic, and that grit brought that ball to life!

I also put a 500 abralon on a highly polished Silver streak particle piece, and then just put a light shine on it. It went from a boat anchor, to a viable part of my arsenal! Prior to this application, this ball would just skid forever, and not do anything.
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nospareball · « **Reply #7 on:** April 22, 2009, 10:09:40 PM »

I think you guys are missing the fact that his Hy-Road with the same box surface (I'm assuming), and similar drill crushed the pocket instead of going into the gutter.

There shouldn't be that big of a difference between those two balls on any lane condition.

The only thing I can think of is that there was something wrong with the 2nd. Mis-marked pin, cg, bad cover. Did the guy you sold it to have any luck with it?
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BIGJOEPAPA727 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 22, 2009, 11:04:52 PM »

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I think you guys are missing the fact that his Hy-Road with the same box surface (I'm assuming), and similar drill crushed the pocket instead of going into the gutter.

There shouldn't be that big of a difference between those two balls on any lane condition.

The only thing I can think of is that there was something wrong with the 2nd. Mis-marked pin, cg, bad cover. Did the guy you sold it to have any luck with it?
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-Clint

I saw him throw it in a tournament on a really walled up house shot with a ton of free hook in the backend. While I was throwing my 900 Global Link, he was throwing this 2nd Dimension standing noticeably more right then me and a lot of other bowlers. His specs are really close to mine.

I got my 2nd Dimension within a week of its release, maybe I got a bad ball, if such a thing exists. No CG or pin was mismarked.

By the way, thanks to everybody for giving me their input and advice. You guys are great =]

tc300 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 23, 2009, 12:47:00 AM »

i didnt care to much for the orig dimension.... also pin under ring, cg kicked with an weight hole. its real touchy on the backend... one time it would turn the corner, another it would skid an xtra 2 feet past the break point.

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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #10 on:** April 23, 2009, 07:12:49 AM »

quote:
I think you guys are missing the fact that his Hy-Road with the same box surface (I'm assuming), and similar drill crushed the pocket instead of going into the gutter.

There shouldn't be that big of a difference between those two balls on any lane condition.

It's hard to tell without actually seeing the balls roll just how big a difference there is -- remember, bowlers always exaggerate when complaining about how their ball is reacting. Whenever I see posts about how a ball doesn't move an inch, I always take it with a grain of salt and just assume they mean it doesn't move as much as they expected. Now, if this thing truly just plain doesn't hook much for him or anybody, it's probably just a defective ball. It happens. Storm may be able to help you out if you get in touch with them when you have such a case.

BIGJOEPAPA727 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 23, 2009, 09:16:07 AM »

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It's hard to tell without actually seeing the balls roll just how big a difference there is -- remember, bowlers always exaggerate when complaining about how their ball is reacting. Whenever I see posts about how a ball doesn't move an inch, I always take it with a grain of salt and just assume they mean it doesn't move as much as they expected. Now, if this thing truly just plain doesn't hook much for him or anybody, it's probably just a defective ball. It happens. Storm may be able to help you out if you get in touch with them when you have such a case.

I should have taken a video of this ball when I first drilled it. It amazed my pro shop operator too. It started to make its move at the pin deck lol.

One thing I can think of, although I've never heard of this before with anybody but it seems to be a problem with myself, is that the weight block in the ball is too big. I was told this by my pro shop guy. I couldn't get the Epic Quest to wrinkle either..just an idea.

The guy that drills my stuff called a Storm rep to ask about it. He said to put it at 4000, no polish, which made the thing either plaque the 10 or roll too early. I definitely think that drilling one pin up would give me a much better reaction.

Edited on 4/23/2009 9:16 AM

themagician · « **Reply #12 on:** April 23, 2009, 09:19:30 AM »

This topic is interesting to me. My 2D with same layout versus Hy-Road at the same layout and surface was much stronger, for a lower rev guy the 5 boards more it hooked on an equal shot was a huge difference. The 2D started to rev up a tad earlier and it ran off the backend of the pattern harder, the Hy-Road for me would roll hard in the mids and then very controlled come off the backend of the pattern.

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Jesse James · « **Reply #13 on:** April 23, 2009, 09:39:14 AM »

I was just thinking if I have had a similar instance like this, and in actuality I have.

I have two Dooms. One drilled pin up, pin over the bridge, with the cg kicked about 30*, ever so slightly. Loved this ball. Ball got down the lane a ton, and skid/flipped back from anywhere! It is a monster!

The 2nd Doom, I drilled pin under the ring, with the cg kicked 60*. Intent was to get this ball to read earlier, and get more control of the breakpoint. I had had success with an Anger drilled similarly, so I figured,why not the Doom?

This ball has been a big disappointment. The ball does not hit with same power as my first Doom, and moves very little. I immediately assumed that it was the angle that this drilling places the weight block in.

I will still be experimenting with cover changes, but I thought that this was a pretty amazing discovery. It's kind of like the drilling instructions for the One ball, where they tell you upfront, don't drill it Label leverage with the MB to the left of the thumbhole for a righty.

That drilling just tames the ball too much, and saps all the strength right out of it!
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r534me · « **Reply #14 on:** April 23, 2009, 11:13:23 AM »

quote:
I was just thinking if I have had a similar instance like this, and in actuality I have.

I have two Dooms. One drilled pin up, pin over the bridge, with the cg kicked about 30*, ever so slightly. Loved this ball. Ball got down the lane a ton, and skid/flipped back from anywhere! It is a monster!

The 2nd Doom, I drilled pin under the ring, with the cg kicked 60*. Intent was to get this ball to read earlier, and get more control of the breakpoint. I had had success with an Anger drilled similarly, so I figured,why not the Doom?

This ball has been a big disappointment. The ball does not hit with same power as my first Doom, and moves very little. I immediately assumed that it was the angle that this drilling places the weight block in.

I will still be experimenting with cover changes, but I thought that this was a pretty amazing discovery. It's kind of like the drilling instructions for the One ball, where they tell you upfront, don't drill it Label leverage with the MB to the left of the thumbhole for a righty.

That drilling just tames the ball too much, and saps all the strength right out of it!
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Duct tape is like 'The Force'. It has a light side and a dark side, but it still holds the universe together.

Some days you're the bug some days you're the windshield.

I chose to drill the 2D pin up and so far it's reacted well on THS, National, and Scorpian patterns.

I had a jade quantum years ago and it did nothing right dull or shined. I think was a case where the core and coverstock did not match up right.

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