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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: toomanytenpins on August 24, 2007, 04:11:58 PM

Title: secret agent ooo
Post by: toomanytenpins on August 24, 2007, 04:11:58 PM
this ball sucks. and i dont care who doesnt like that i am saying it. dont waste your money or your time unless u play it as straight as norm dukeon med to light short oil dont expect any flash from this one. I took it to 1000 and then polished it and the only thing i can use it on is 3rd shift shots. Unless you are looking for a dry lane ball i wouldnt reccomend this thing at all.
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Xfest on August 25, 2007, 12:13:34 AM
Weird. I use mine for the heaviest patterns, and it really moves. About 30 games on it now.. And it still hooks crazy. It's my 300 ball. I also have mine at 500 abralon though..
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Xfest on August 25, 2007, 12:32:58 AM
I don't? Book average at the end of the season last year was 204? And I'm not a 200 bowler? OK.
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Xfest on August 25, 2007, 12:39:39 AM
Gothca..
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: mrbowlingnut on August 25, 2007, 12:42:33 AM
I can hook this ball plenty and i am low-medium revs and forward roll, i still have mine at 4k.

Sounds like you have it leveraged out which means it is burning up, i am not just talking about the surface either i mean the ball is flaring too early and is already burnt up it's energy. When i use a max flare drilling the ball is dead at the pins, for me 4 inch pin to pap is the most i can use.
Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Joe Jr on August 25, 2007, 01:00:50 AM
What a waste of a good ball.

What a surprise, toomanytenpins buys another strong ball can't get it to hook and says it's garbage. Your proshop needs to stop selling you equipment.
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Strokewiththelefthand on August 25, 2007, 01:52:22 AM
I agree with mrbowlingnut,

The drilling in the ball might not match you style and is flaring almost out of your hand. Surface won't mean crap if the ball is flaring too early. I'd say before you trash the ball redrill it with a longer pin-PAP placement and see what you get. I've heard nothing but good reviews on that ball so far. If your tired of it you can always ship it to da 23224
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: River700 on August 25, 2007, 03:27:57 AM
well from what I have seen, this bowler does need to go to his pro shop and either get it redrill or something, because I myself have heard rave reviews with all of storms new balls with hybrid coverstocks. Looks to me that toomanytenpins needs to study up on bowling balls and layouts before he goes and buys anything else....
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: toomanytenpins on August 25, 2007, 07:23:50 AM
u guys are the experts as always i knew i should have kept my mouth shut/fingers idle.
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Slopsurprise on August 25, 2007, 08:03:45 AM
Dont tell me another bowler drilled a ball stacked leverage. Why do people even do that on todays equipment????? Thats a recipe for a ball that does next to nothing on the backend becasue it is done flaring by the time it gets there. Maybe on old school high RG low flaring stuff it was good????? It sure sucks these days on new balls.

I threw a secret and it was OK. Very smooth and I thought it is sort of early for what it was (pin under drilling). Not a bad thing at all. Just something that dosent suit my A game and a ball I would only probally use on flying backends.

Edited on 8/25/2007 1:29 PM
Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Russell on August 25, 2007, 02:50:35 PM
Although I don't agree with how tough the first poster was on the ball...I did not care for it at all.  I drilled mine 5" 45* pin down hole on VAL down.  Box finish the ball just didn't want to do much of anything...it started earlier but didn't seem to want to "finish".  It reminded me of a high load particle ball...without the early hook.

Both of mine are for sale......
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Big Jake on August 25, 2007, 05:07:03 PM
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this ball sucks. and i dont care who doesnt like that i am saying it. dont waste your money or your time unless u play it as straight as norm dukeon med to light short oil dont expect any flash from this one. I took it to 1000 and then polished it and the only thing i can use it on is 3rd shift shots. Unless you are looking for a dry lane ball i wouldnt reccomend this thing at all.


To bad you don't like your ball, after getting this same ball from Tekneek and using it for just one week I can say that this is now my favorite ball and this puppy is freaking hook monster with control

And I also have it drilled stacked leverage as I love that drill pattern for my high end gear. WOW! this ball is absolutely the best ball I have ever thrown and as a matter of fact I was using Roto Grip and now after getting this Secret Agent as my first STORM ball I am now switching over to STORM exclusively.

My next ball will be another Secret Agent or the Domination.

Peace out!
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: strikealot on August 25, 2007, 05:13:21 PM
i have a friend who doesnt care for this ball either..it didnt do anything or hit on a THS..and yes he can bowl
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: toomanytenpins on August 26, 2007, 11:12:43 AM
balls are like opinions.mine isnt going to make everyone happy. I happen to have three rotos,epic,odyssey,and the battle and the secret agent isnt even close to anyone of them. The ball maybe doesnt suck,just sucks off my hand,btw its for sale 80 bucks single drill.
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Jeasy123sy on August 26, 2007, 11:40:59 AM
How many games have you put on it, because when I got mine I absolutley hated it for the first 10-12 games I bowled with it. But after that once the cover was broken in it started doing what i wanted it to do and more. Just something to think about before you sell it.
Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Big Jake on August 26, 2007, 03:13:23 PM
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balls are like opinions.mine isnt going to make everyone happy. I happen to have three rotos,epic,odyssey,and the battle and the secret agent isnt even close to anyone of them. The ball maybe doesnt suck,just sucks off my hand,btw its for sale 80 bucks single drill.
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on August 27, 2007, 02:42:43 PM
I bowled on my first THS(second shift/broken down, albeit) last night and the ball performed great.  Over 17 out to 5 with great results(235-237-259).  Great hitting power with exceptional carry.
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: CHawk15 on August 27, 2007, 02:48:00 PM
toomanytenpins:  

How did you drill this ball ??  I see alot of speculation on the boards, but I'm curious as to how you drilled it ?   If you don't feel comfortable responding to the thread, send me a PM.
Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: toomanytenpins on August 27, 2007, 11:11:19 PM
i have about 10 games on it. I have notice nicks in mine already too. I was kind of wondering why so many posters got on me about the drill and how they know how it was drilled ,must have been from a previous post. Its drilled with the pin just right and down from my ring with the cg kicked slightly to the right. same drill i have on my epic and my epic is a beast. My epic is a good 10 boards stronger than this ball even with this ball at 1000 grit.
   Someone just posted how great this ball was on a second shift typical house shot,doesnt that prove what i just said.Look at storms reaction chart which shows this ball and the passion the passion on their chart is 7 boards left of the secret. Ok it doesnt suck its just not what i thought it was going to be. Nowhere near med to heavy with storms flip which is what i was looking for. It was an experiment gone bad, ball league ball, no sweat off my nose .If you pros want it fine, if not fine, good luck and good bowling.
   I dont need the ball enough to invest the effort to see if it might work after 20 games or 30 games i dont want to be a ,"sub 200 bowler all season ",if thats the mark the justifies a persons opinion .Forgive me when i avg. 200 then i might offer an opinion.
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: toomanytenpins on August 27, 2007, 11:16:46 PM
did any of u watch the shootout.norm duke and pete weber were both using this ball.Whos game did it match uop with,Norms,the straighter bowler.Pete never found a line with this ball,not even trying to say i am on their level jkust giving an example .Any ball is only as good as the person using it,"in my hands this ball is less than desireable and so is my game". On drier conditions its no better than anything else i already have,i.e solution or machine
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: CHawk15 on August 28, 2007, 12:24:18 AM
Sounds to me like particle balls in general don't match up to your game very well.  I remember you talking about how you hated the Epic Battle as well.  This ball is a pearl/solid/particle hybrid if memory serves me right.  You'd probably like the Special Agent better.  I think that they burn up too soon for you, which can be hard to see especially if it starts hooking off of your toe.
Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on August 28, 2007, 07:18:17 AM
I have to say I have seen a couple people use this ball and I saw it tearing up a shark pattern and most recently a house shot playing a bigger hook.
Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: toomanytenpins on August 29, 2007, 07:14:41 PM
maybe i lack the speed and revs for particle balls. U r right i have never really had any luck with them . I had my latest battle drilled weaker and its a much better match for me,having said that i used the secret and my battle on the same pair when i first got the secret and i was pretty impressed with the secret. the battle was ans is a stronger ball ,but the secret looked like i would at least be able to play it . the very next night in leagues they put down a little more oil and the ball wouldnt move,and unless its on the drier side of medium it to this date doesnt move. no more particles for me i promise
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: toomanytenpins on August 31, 2007, 05:37:34 PM
ok i have had just about enough of this berating from you guys. I am no pro but i am not the house hack either.I know where to put the ball and the necessary adjustments to get the desired results. I dont bowl 140 every night out. Just because a person makes a comment that you all dont agree woth doesnt make him/ her inferior to you.I practice and i kow where my game is and where i want it to be.I didnt get this ball to better my avg. I got it basically because the choices were limited in the ball league i bowled in. This isnt the first ball i have used and i do have other equipment for comparison ,which is from what i make my judgment on. I really dont appreciate the way some of you attack people because of their opinion.You are ticked off.You dont have to read the post.And you definitely dont have to like it,but it was not in any way a personal attack on any one person or any persons views or abilities.some of you people really need to learn how to just sat nothing when nothing is all you are saying anyway.Sorry you are so ticked off.
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Title: Re: secret agent ooo
Post by: toomanytenpins on August 31, 2007, 05:39:52 PM
and what does spare shooting have to do with a persons opinion of a ball.
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