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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: Blueprint on October 27, 2014, 12:09:18 PM
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I recently drilled a Punch Out (Pin above ring) to fit between my Optimus (Pin under ring) and Breeze Hybrid (Pin above ring). Well once the lanes start to break down and my Optimus is too much, my Punch Out is not a step down from my Optimus by any means. So I still have a big gap before getting to my Breeze Hybrid. Would a weaker drill on another Punch Out change the reaction that much or should I just look at getting an Uproar or Scream?
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Uproar is still pretty strong, and the Scream and Shout are going to be really close to your Breeze. I think you've identified a really huge gap in ball reaction across the market right now. The low-mid end stuff really still hooks quite a bit. I think the covers are all too strong.
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Uproar is still pretty strong, and the Scream and Shout are going to be really close to your Breeze. I think you've identified a really huge gap in ball reaction across the market right now. The low-mid end stuff really still hooks quite a bit. I think the covers are all too strong.
This is the problem I've had. The covers on the low end equipment are too strong and something like the Breeze is just too weak for what I'm looking for. I've been looking at older equipment on eBay to try and find what I need
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I never thought that using the same type cover (R2S) on the Punch Out Line, Hy-Road Line, and IQ Line was a good idea. Imo using the same cover will allow the equipment to handle the same amount of oil, just with different shapes due to the different cores.
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Pin below the middle WipeOut with a coat of polish.
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U can also try moving
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i think if you put a weaker drilling on the punch out you will be alright. a big reason your punch is reacting as strong as your optimus is becuase it exploits all the friction at the end of the pattern. i think if you move the pin to 5 1/2" and put it down you will decrease the flare and slow down the response to friction.
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i think if you put a weaker drilling on the punch out you will be alright. a big reason your punch is reacting as strong as your optimus is becuase it exploits all the friction at the end of the pattern. i think if you move the pin to 5 1/2" and put it down you will decrease the flare and slow down the response to friction.
Where is this belief coming from? I put the pin down and the ball flares SIGNIFICANTLY more than when I put the pin up.
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Last night I was bowling in one of my leagues at a house that seems to put out a little less oil then the other houses that I bowl at. As the lanes broke down, I moved left and continued to hit the pocket. The Punch Out seemed to be loosing some energy up front and rolling out, leaving 7s, 10s, and pocket splits. I switched to my Breeze moved 10 boards right, back to 20 and slowed my ball speed down so that it would make the corner. It rolled decent, but I feel like a ball between the Punch Out and Breeze would give me a better look.
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After reading what your issues are, I would recommend a 2014 Shout drilled 4x4. The Shouts are stronger than the breezes, over double the diff, and the polished solid cover should keep the angles down. Plus they are relatively inexpensive.
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After reading what your issues are, I would recommend a 2014 Shout drilled 4x4. The Shouts are stronger than the breezes, over double the diff, and the polished solid cover should keep the angles down. Plus they are relatively inexpensive.
So should I use the same layout that I have on the Punch Out (pin above ring)? Also with the Shout being a polished solid, would it still get down the lane further than the Punch Out and have enough energy to finish at the pocket?
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I just noticed you mentioned drilling the Shout out 4×4.
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It has less motor than the Punch, and the shiny cover will yield easy length. You should be able to play a little more right with it compared to the Punch. And the Shout is more controllable off the back of the pattern. I believe Billdozer has had some success with a 2012? Shout. I have the 2013 polished like the 2014. And it is my go to ball on drier ths.
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Excellent.... I will look into that, especially since it's an inexpensive option. Thanks...
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4x4 would be way too strong of layout for a Shout IMHO. The Shout is very heavy rolling due to the core. I'd look at something that has a tall core such as a Motiv Ascend or a Stike King.
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No problem! Keep us updated
at 2.57 rg .022 diff, this ball is controllable. With a core that weak, you don't want to dill it weak as then he would have a breeze.
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If the Breeze and Shout 2014 had the same layout, would the Shout be naturally stronger?
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Yes. Stronger cover and core
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No problem! Keep us updated
at 2.57 rg .022 diff, this ball is controllable. With a core that weak, you don't want to dill it weak as then he would have a breeze.
I guess you must have a different Shout than I do. Mine is heavy rolling drilled with the layout you suggested. I wish I would have drilled it weaker. I bowl on a supposed fresh 2nd shift league. I'm lucky to get the first half game out of it. I learned that for length and backend, a taller core works the best at least for me.
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i think if you put a weaker drilling on the punch out you will be alright. a big reason your punch is reacting as strong as your optimus is becuase it exploits all the friction at the end of the pattern. i think if you move the pin to 5 1/2" and put it down you will decrease the flare and slow down the response to friction.
Where is this belief coming from? I put the pin down and the ball flares SIGNIFICANTLY more than when I put the pin up.
i find that hard to believe. by putting the pin further from the PAP you are flare potential and the pin down you are taking differential out of the core thus reducing flare potential and reducing the response to friction. take a look at a couple blueprint numbers. differential for the same pin-PAP length but one with say 25* VAL angle and one with a 65* VAL angle
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No problem! Keep us updated
at 2.57 rg .022 diff, this ball is controllable. With a core that weak, you don't want to dill it weak as then he would have a breeze.
I guess you must have a different Shout than I do. Mine is heavy rolling drilled with the layout you suggested. I wish I would have drilled it weaker. I bowl on a supposed fresh 2nd shift league. I'm lucky to get the first half game out of it. I learned that for length and backend, a taller core works the best at least for me.
is yours polished? I made sure to mention this part, twice. The 2024 Shout comes polished from the factory. And the "skid flip" is what I was going away from for him. All the does is force you left when you see friction, and results in more corner pins. If he wants the flip reaction but weaker than the Punch, he could go with the Scream.
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My polished shout is pretty weak especially if you get deep and trust it off the spot. Mine has one weakness....throwing it too fast will often leave a weak ten because the ball just doesnt have enough. In other words...when I throw I get to stop forcing the ball...on the dry. Its beautiful.
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How is yours drilled bill? Mine is a 4x3 and rolls great. I think a 4x4 suites that weak core nicely.
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I pretty much do a 4x4 but I usually put the pin in the palm on lower end equipment...and am now swinging it a bit on higher end releases like the optimus. It may be more like a 4x5 as the line you draw for the virtual MB is sometimes on my thumb or to the left of it.
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So I ended up hitting my Punch Out with 4k and polish. It actually gave me the separation from my Optimus that I was looking for.
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That's great! You have to love the R2S' versatility.