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Storm Axiom?
« on: September 29, 2020, 07:11:14 AM »
I do not have a solid ball in my Arsenal.  I’m looking to add one for a game one ball during league.  My hall speed is around 14 mph. I have decent revs.  Do not have any numbers but I consider myself rev dominant.  I consider my self a tweener. To start, I stand on board 25 and my target is around the 15 board at the arrows.  Would the Axiom be a good ball in this situation? My house has a good amount of oil in the center of the lanes.  If not the Axiom, what Storm/RotorGrip solid cover ball should I consider? 
Current Arsenal: Storm Super Nova, Storm Absolute, 900 Global Zen Master, Storm Summit, Storm Journey, and Storm Punch Out

 

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Re: Storm Axiom?
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2020, 07:54:09 AM »

Did you mean it doesn't matter where you place the CG?  I know a lot of old school drilling techniques don't hold true anymore, but I believe pin placement still matters.
Strider,

This is in reference to the VLS adjustment tool for no balance holes that Steven brought up. Basically, it's a great tool to help a bowler use a different layout than what they already use, to produce similar results. It's a great tool, but it doesn't change the fact that if you drill a ball with a 5", a 3 3/8", or a 1" pin distance, after drilling, the thumb hole becomes the PSA. The Z axis can come in to play on a symmetrical ball with a large deep balance hole properly placed to remove mass from the core. This can pull the PSA away from the thumb. This creates a different shape and hook potential. You can use the conversion tool to help create more flare with the absence of a balance hole, until you get to 3 3/8" pin distance, which is max instability of a core. Often times in the pro shop, I have drilled balls for speed dominate, low rev players and have used 3 3/8" on a symmetrical ball, placed a large deep hole that created the needed extra strength to get the ball to hook enough. Not everyone has a 540 rev rate. In fact, even though the tour rev rate average has increased a ton with all the two handers, the average league bowlers rev rate has not. The average league bowler age is in the 50's, and isn't showing signs of reducing any time soon, in fact getting older. The older we get, the less revs we put on a ball. The less revs you have, the more you can benefit from asymmetrical balls.

I think you are going to see more balls like the Rubicon coming out from all the manufactures. Having a mildly asymmetrical ball is like using a large deep balance hole in symmetrical. They tend to be a little more driller friendly because the prop shop can still miss a touch with the layout, and still get the ball to stand up in it's forward roll toward the pocket at the right time.

I'm not against the new no balance hole rule. I think it allows the pro shop to give the bowler closer to what the manufacture designed the ball to do. However, this does remove a tool from the tool belt that help us help the more rev challenged bowler that was on a budget. We could drill them a cheaper ball, and create more motion with the right drilling and balance hole placement. Moving forward, we are going to need to push these styles of players into asymmetrical balls, to help them get the shape they need to strike consistently. My issue with the rule is the USBC saying that the rule is to help pattern integrity. Pattern integrity has nothing to do with drilling, it has to do with surface management. If a bowler can't get their ball to hook, they are going to use more surface to get it to slow down faster and create more traction, which will reduce pattern integrity.


Hope this helped answer your question.


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Re: Storm Axiom?
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2020, 07:55:39 AM »
Steven,

One last thing, just so you know, it doesn't matter where you put the pin on a symmetrical ball, the thumb becomes the PSA after drilling. Using a large deep balance hole, you can move that PSA of the drilled symmetrical ball away from the thumb hole.

Did you mean it doesn't matter where you place the CG?  I know a lot of old school drilling techniques don't hold true anymore, but I believe pin placement still matters.

Pin placement absolutely matters.  But with that said, I am not trying to get in to a pissing match.  We both have our "resumes" and experiences and we both shared them.  The only difference is that I shared video proof that the Wild Streak would be a good choice.  My response was based more on the video than personal experience or just simply talking out my back side.  Plus, it was Luke Rosdahl who just about everyone on here likes and respects.  If Luke says the Wild Streak is money then who am I to argue? 

I do not mind and quite frankly enjoy having intelligent discussions.  There isnt anything wrong with having discussions about personal experiences with conditions and equipment.  It doesnt make it a pissing match.   Your experiences with a short pin layout may be different than mine.  My experience is that a short pin layout only works best from a carry percentage standpoint when playing outside.  Playing inside tends to always leaving corner pins due to lack of entry angle. 
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Re: Storm Axiom?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2020, 08:15:39 AM »

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Pin placement absolutely matters.  But with that said, I am not trying to get in to a pissing match.  We both have our "resumes" and experiences and we both shared them.  The only difference is that I shared video proof that the Wild Streak would be a good choice.  My response was based more on the video than personal experience or just simply talking out my back side.  Plus, it was Luke Rosdahl who just about everyone on here likes and respects.  If Luke says the Wild Streak is money then who am I to argue? 

I do not mind and quite frankly enjoy having intelligent discussions.  There isnt anything wrong with having discussions about personal experiences with conditions and equipment.  It doesnt make it a pissing match.   Your experiences with a short pin layout may be different than mine.  My experience is that a short pin layout only works best from a carry percentage standpoint when playing outside.  Playing inside tends to always leaving corner pins due to lack of entry angle. 
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Steven,

The two examples layouts I gave are to show a bowler how they can drill an asymmetrical ball to control flare and get use out of it, when they previously thought they would be unable to. Nothing less, nothing more.

Have a blessed day.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2020, 08:17:52 AM by tommygn »
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Re: Storm Axiom?
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2020, 05:49:43 AM »
Even if you could manipulate the drilling with a weight hole (when they were legal), I'm not sure that's the same thing as saying that pin position doesn't matter.  Maybe in the context you're using it in, but it sounds like you made a blanket statement that it basically never matters.

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Re: Storm Axiom?
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2020, 06:45:06 AM »
Even if you could manipulate the drilling with a weight hole (when they were legal), I'm not sure that's the same thing as saying that pin position doesn't matter.  Maybe in the context you're using it in, but it sounds like you made a blanket statement that it basically never matters.

Of course pin placement matters. What doesn't matter about pin placement is how it relates to the z axis. The thumb will always become the PSA on a symmetrical ball after drilling without a balance hole. What is being discussed is the effect of putting holes in the ball as it relates to the core. Every hole you put in a bowling ball, alters the ball to some degree.

Here's a video from Mo that shows what I'm talking about....


https://youtu.be/2IBWRxR6G78
« Last Edit: October 02, 2020, 07:04:17 AM by tommygn »
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Re: Storm Axiom?
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2020, 07:21:31 AM »
The thumb hole becoming the PSA of a symmetrical ball after drilling is nothing new. Put any symmetrical drilled ball, regardless of layout, without a balance hole, on a determinator and the thumb becomes the PSA.

You can move that PSA with a balance hole.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2020, 09:34:32 AM by tommygn »
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