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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: mrwizerd on March 11, 2016, 03:17:51 PM
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I realize it came out a little over a month ago, but I haven't seen one in any of the leagues I bowl in and haven't really heard anyone talking about either.
Does anyone else think the Fight might be a quick discontinue?
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I don't think so. I like mine a lot and there's a few other guys throwing one around me that like them
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Tons sold around my area. However, the Phaze is a dud here.
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More like the phaze, I feel the fight will stay. The reign didn't do overly well especially against the hyroad, and they kept it around.
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I am still trying to figure my Fight out. Sometimes it hooks more then my Lock and other times it hooks less then my IQ Tour. Have shined it and now took it back to OOB. Was hoping for benchmark but so far no way. Seems pretty condition specific at least for my game.
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Re: Fight roll/drill pattern
Fight has a big core, high RG, so the ball naturally creates length. Add a long pin to PAP drill and I can see some serious over/under out of the ball.
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I drilled mine with 4 3/8 pin to pap, pin is drilled out in my ring finger. I have the option of adding a low hole to make it a little stronger if I want
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Both the Fight and Phaze are different from most of what is on the market right now, and the problem is people trying to force them to be similar rather than letting them be different. People are trying to force a big backend move out of their Phaze instead of just letting it be smooth, and people aren't paying enough attention to the core numbers on the Fight. It gets its midlane read from the flare created by the differential, definitely not by the RG, so if you go too weak with the pin, yeah you're going to get some over/under.
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The fight is a really piece. I really like the ball motion. It is different for me than any other storm ball I have.
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I was suggested to drill a 14 lbs Fight up 4 X 4 X 2.....I shouldn't see any over and under with that Pin to Pap should I?
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Nope. At least for me anyway. Thats how mine is drilled.
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Anybody have both a Hyroad and a Fight? Looking to fit a ball between my Fight and my Ride. Too big of a gap in my opinion. Looks like they are similar but I am hoping the Hyroad will be less hook then the Fight. Start with Fight and either go down to Hyroad/Ride or up to IQ Nano/ Lock. Nothing bothers me more then having 2 balls that basically do the same thing. Looking for a comparison between the Fight and the Hyroad. Also considering the Hyroad Pearl to fit in between the Fight and Ride. Thanks.
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Anybody have both a Hyroad and a Fight? Looking to fit a ball between my Fight and my Ride. Too big of a gap in my opinion. Looks like they are similar but I am hoping the Hyroad will be less hook then the Fight. Start with Fight and either go down to Hyroad/Ride or up to IQ Nano/ Lock. Nothing bothers me more then having 2 balls that basically do the same thing. Looking for a comparison between the Fight and the Hyroad. Also considering the Hyroad Pearl to fit in between the Fight and Ride. Thanks.
I think the Sky Rocket would fit nicely between the Ride and the Fight.
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I haven't thrown either Fight or Phase, but I believe Storm is trying to put out something that might control the lanes and bit more on flatter patterns yet still give hitting power. These balls are designed to roll heavy and hit without having to open up the lane from coast to coast the way you can on a house shot.
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I haven't thrown either Fight or Phase, but I believe Storm is trying to put out something that might control the lanes and bit more on flatter patterns yet still give hitting power. These balls are designed to roll heavy and hit without having to open up the lane from coast to coast the way you can on a house shot.
^^cant agree more^^
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I think avabob hit the nail on the head. The phase gives me more control at the end of pattern without losing hit. I know for me the phase is something ive been waiting to see from storm for a long time. It isnt a ball that covers a lot of boards but it's a ball that allows me to play straighter and still throw the pins around like it's coming in from the big angles.
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Both the Fight and Phaze are different from most of what is on the market right now, and the problem is people trying to force them to be similar rather than letting them be different. People are trying to force a big backend move out of their Phaze instead of just letting it be smooth, and people aren't paying enough attention to the core numbers on the Fight. It gets its midlane read from the flare created by the differential, definitely not by the RG, so if you go too weak with the pin, yeah you're going to get some over/under.
+1
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The impression I have of the Phaze is that it's similar to a Marvel Pearl - not jumpy off the spot like a typical pearl but much more controlled and predictable. To some that would make it seem weak, as least in comparison to balls in the same price range that are stronger off the spot. I always thought the Marvel Pearl was better suited for sport/PBA patterns (as opposed to being a house shot killer) and it was unquestionably a dominant piece on the tour for a while. This certainly seems like Storm's attempt to recreate that Marvel Pearl reaction, but now it's dressed up in a much brighter package.
I've only seen a few Fights rolled but not by bowlers with much hand, so that has tempered my initial reactions.
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The impression I have of the Phaze is that it's similar to a Marvel Pearl - not jumpy off the spot like a typical pearl but much more controlled and predictable. To some that would make it seem weak, as least in comparison to balls in the same price range that are stronger off the spot. I always thought the Marvel Pearl was better suited for sport/PBA patterns (as opposed to being a house shot killer) and it was unquestionably a dominant piece on the tour for a while. This certainly seems like Storm's attempt to recreate that Marvel Pearl reaction, but now it's dressed up in a much brighter package.
I've only seen a few Fights rolled but not by bowlers with much hand, so that has tempered my initial reactions.
What did the Fight look like from the not much hand guys?
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Not much movement, not much carry. Tough to tell with this bowler, unfortunately.
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I don't have a lot of hand but I'm right around 300 rpm. I'm a big fan of solid covers so I knew I wanted the Fight when I saw it. For me it gets good length through the heads, the cover starts to pick up in the late midlane and I get good continuation through the pin deck
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I fight getting the ball through the heads without checking up early because of my tilt/speed/revs. I always look for products with higher RGs as the ball will naturally lope longer than a ball with low/lower RGs. Fight fits the bill perfect and for others in my area that do have higher speed, have more revs than me, or like to go up the boards straighter than me have had success in the few weeks this ball has been available. Now, will this continue? Maybe, but for now, the ball is really doing well around here.
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I haven't seen huge amount of these on the lanes but the ones I have are looking good. It may have gotten lost a bit in the hype with the Phaze and Alpha.
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Phaze: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgYQGIghSEo
Fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLffUaNsb-Y
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I tried Fight again last night for a few frames the 1st game of my league. After 2 strikes and 6 solid 10 pins I switched to my Lock and ended up ok with a 670 set. I have never had a ball that leaves so many solid 10's. Ball constantly hits pocket but just can't string any strikes with this ball. I have tried it polished and the result was the same. Running out of options with this ball. Love the roll of it but just doesn't strike enough for me to keep using it. Especially when I can switch to a different ball and the 10 pin problem disappears.
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Well the Fight and Lock are completely different. The Lock probably starts up sooner for you carrying the 10 pin while the Fight is going too long
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Ryguy
If you are pinging 10s and suddenly you pick up a stronger ball (lower RG, probably stronger cover) and the 10 problem disappears, there is probably too much volume or too long of a pattern for the Fight to square up to the pocket quick enough with the high RG, especially if you have a long pin to PAP drill on the ball making the response time even later down the lane.
Many times when a ball is not "hooking" enough or hits like a wet towel, it is because there is not enough volume for the ball being used. In this case, sounds like we have the opposite problem.
I would venture to say that when the Lock starts to ping 10s because the ball is burning up, that would be the time the Fight would shine.
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P3 hole. Problem solved.
I tried Fight again last night for a few frames the 1st game of my league. After 2 strikes and 6 solid 10 pins I switched to my Lock and ended up ok with a 670 set. I have never had a ball that leaves so many solid 10's. Ball constantly hits pocket but just can't string any strikes with this ball. I have tried it polished and the result was the same. Running out of options with this ball. Love the roll of it but just doesn't strike enough for me to keep using it. Especially when I can switch to a different ball and the 10 pin problem disappears.
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Already have one. Thinking maybe I am playing too far right with this ball. Moved in with Lock and caught some more oil in middle and no more 10 pins. Even with high r.g. maybe Fight burning up a bit playing out in the dry. I did polish it up and got better length but still no better carry. Will try moving in a bit and see if that helps carry better. Every house I bowl has a similar result with this ball. In the pocket 90% of the time but just can't string any strikes together. Also beginning to wonder if this ball is better suited for a flatter pattern. Bowling in Reno soon and need to get ball figured out. Some balls are just better suited for a sport pattern.
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Sounds like you're just playing the wrong angle for the condition you're bowling on if moving in with the Lock works better
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Yep, agreed SV. Something is amiss.
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May not be burning up, may just not be getting a chance to rev. If you'll notice in my video, I'm a lefty playing 3rd arrow with it . . that's got to say something to somebody.
Already have one. Thinking maybe I am playing too far right with this ball. Moved in with Lock and caught some more oil in middle and no more 10 pins. Even with high r.g. maybe Fight burning up a bit playing out in the dry. I did polish it up and got better length but still no better carry. Will try moving in a bit and see if that helps carry better. Every house I bowl has a similar result with this ball. In the pocket 90% of the time but just can't string any strikes together. Also beginning to wonder if this ball is better suited for a flatter pattern. Bowling in Reno soon and need to get ball figured out. Some balls are just better suited for a sport pattern.
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I think I'm gonna put a coat of polish on mine tonight before league and see how that goes. Just to try something different. I definitely like the ball with the 3000 surface, so I'm debating if I want to just throw polish on top or hit it with 2000 first
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Let us know what you decide and what the results were!
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I love that video. I do see you are playing 3rd arrow with Fight and around 10 with Hyroad. Could be why ball is not striking much. I like to play pretty straight usually around 5-10 board. Might need a bit more head oil to get ball into proper roll. I did polish it before taking it back to OOB. Ball was extreme over under polished. I will move in tomorrow and see if that helps. Might have to pick up the Hyroad to compliment Fight. Would let me move out where I like to play. Ball rolls great in your video.
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I haven't thrown either Fight or Phase, but I believe Storm is trying to put out something that might control the lanes and bit more on flatter patterns yet still give hitting power. These balls are designed to roll heavy and hit without having to open up the lane from coast to coast the way you can on a house shot.
I agree. Drilled them both at 5 x 4 x 3. Looking to smooth out my ball reaction to get ready for the Nationals. Evens out a lot of over/under that I get on some of our local house shots. Every time I throw any ball, I think of how it would look on a sport shot. I am definitely taking the Fight and Phase to the Nationals this year. I am tired of looking like a Putz at the nationals.
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So I took a lightly used 2000 pad and then put a coat of polish on. I actually really liked the motion. Got a little more length and a quicker change of direction downlane.
I'm really looking forward to the next release in the Fight line
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Good to hear. Keep us updated. Fight going strong here as well.
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Taking one down to Reno, a 14 lbs
14 vs 15 RG 2.62 vs 2.58....14 slightly earlier?
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Taking one down to Reno, a 14 lbs
14 vs 15 RG 2.62 vs 2.58....14 slightly earlier?
Higher generally means the core will lope longer before starting up. Numbers after altered after drilling tho. Cover is still the main component for motion
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With all things similar, yeah, the 14# should be slightly earlier than a 15#.
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Had a chance to throw both the Fight and Phaze at a demo day since my earlier post. Always tricky forming opinions based on a house shot, but a couple things I noticed. The Phaze was a bit more angular than I expected, but didn't over react off the dry, and did allow me to square up a bit further right than with my stronger equipment like the Lock. I also threw the alpha crux, which by the way is a very nice rolling piece, and was easily 7 and 2 deeper than with the Phaze.
As for the Fight, I usually don't like high rg balls except for urethane, and the Fight was no exception. I was abler to line up similar to the Phaze, but with my lower rev rate the Fight just didn't have enough energy to carry. I was able to get a another board or two right and got a good reaction on the house shot, but don't really see a situation where I could use it on any flatter patterns. My Viral solid with a 2x3 layout is a better option for me n conditions where I could use the Fight.
Just a final note. I also threw the Pitch Blue. Nice piece of urethane. I have had both the Natural and the Blue Hammer. Liked them both, but I think this one might be the best of the bunch. It stands up into a better roll than other urethanes I have tried yet still is clean through the heads like you would expect from a pearl. This ball faced up better than any urethane I have thrown on a house shot. I think I would like it on shorter patterns too.
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Finally a good night with the Fight. Started out with IQ Tour polished for a 211 1st game playing around 1st arrow. Ball was really starting to jump near end of game. Switched to Fight and move in to 2nd arrow and had front 9 in game 2. Bad shot in 10th for a split but still ended up shooting 265. 237 last game with all pocket hits and 0 ten pins. Nice to finally have a series without constantly leaving 10 pins with this ball. Has a bit of lane shine now so i might leave it this way and see what happens. Ball need a little head oil to get in proper roll. Not a ball to play up the boards with. Hopefully now I have it figured out.
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Phaze: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgYQGIghSEo
Fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLffUaNsb-Y
You did a great job with those videos, quick and informative. I have only a few games on both the Fight and Phaze but I agree with you. Phaze is a really nice piece meant to be a different reaction from Storm. Fight is another different reaction longer but with a really strong cover. I am glad I went pin down on fight, stronger pins might be a problem for some. Great job Storm!
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Wish i went pin down. I have 4x4x2 pin up and leave nothing but 10 pins with the Fight. Have tried changing surface multiple times. Same result. No confidence in this ball. I should have it figured out after 2 months. Might be time to move on. I was hoping Fight would replace my aging IQ Tour but no chance of that happening. Might have to buy a 2nd IQ Tour. Going to Reno soon and shot is tough enough with a ball you have confidence with. Can't imagine using a ball that you have no confidence in. Last resort might be to plug Fight and drill it pin down.
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Wish i went pin down. I have 4x4x2 pin up and leave nothing but 10 pins with the Fight. Have tried changing surface multiple times. Same result. No confidence in this ball. I should have it figured out after 2 months. Might be time to move on. I was hoping Fight would replace my aging IQ Tour but no chance of that happening. Might have to buy a 2nd IQ Tour. Going to Reno soon and shot is tough enough with a ball you have confidence with. Can't imagine using a ball that you have no confidence in. Last resort might be to plug Fight and drill it pin down.
I almost went pin up, but with the high rg I just decided to try and slow down a strong ball. The ball can be special I think but you have to understand the ball as well as the phaze they are meant to be a different reactions that Storm has never had.
Hopefully you can figure out your fight, maybe plugging and pin down is the way.