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Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« on: March 11, 2022, 04:53:22 PM »
No word why yet. More to come.

 

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #121 on: March 25, 2022, 08:43:40 PM »
Reading the comments on that video has me a bit befuddled. There’s conversation about there being a +/- 2 variation.

That’s freaking huge. That takes pretty much every ball that reads illegal and makes it possibly legal.

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #122 on: March 29, 2022, 03:47:47 PM »
Got a question.

 When did the SPECTRE get approved?  Was it before they changed the standard reading from 72D to 73D, or was it after?

 And, if the ball passed the 72D approval, then got revoked after it was changed to 73D, what would be the ramifications of that?

 Just curious.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #123 on: March 29, 2022, 04:50:42 PM »
Got a question.

 When did the SPECTRE get approved?  Was it before they changed the standard reading from 72D to 73D, or was it after?

 And, if the ball passed the 72D approval, then got revoked after it was changed to 73D, what would be the ramifications of that?

 Just curious.

Balls approved through 12/31/20 and manufacturing of those balls needed to be stopped by 7/31/21 if approved under the 72D rule. Spectre came after in Dec 2021
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #124 on: March 29, 2022, 07:11:05 PM »
7/31/22 is the manufacture end date for all balls previously approved at 72D

https://bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622334480

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #125 on: March 29, 2022, 07:23:27 PM »
USBC and Storm Products have agreed on a national tournament exclusion rule and ball exchange program for six Storm Products manufactured ball models. The agreement comes after USBC identified the models having a percentage of balls produced below USBC minimum 73D hardness specification. Read more: https://bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622337509

USBC's investigation showed a percentage of these ball models measured below the USBC-required hardness level of the approval samples submitted by Storm. Storm collaborated with USBC after being notified of this testing.

The affected models include: Storm Phaze 4, Storm Electrify Solid, Storm Trend 2, 900 Global Altered Reality, 900 Global Wolverine, Roto Grip UFO Alert

Effective March 30, 2022, these balls models are prohibited from use in USBC national tournaments, including but not limited to, the USBC Masters, U.S. Open, USBC Open Championships, USBC Women's Championships, all PWBA Tour events, USBC Junior Gold and Youth Open Championships, USBC Intercollegiate Championships, USBC Team USA Trials, USBC Senior Masters and USBC Senior Queens.

These ball models remain USBC approved. Each USBC competition, whether tournament or league, has the option to adopt USBC's national tournament rule prohibiting use of these balls or to continue to allow their use.

USBC has shared this national tournament rule with Storm and has Storm's support. Storm will offer owners of the affected balls the option to exchange their balls for a new product. Information about the exchange program will be published later this week on StormBowling.com.

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #126 on: March 29, 2022, 09:43:20 PM »
USBC and Storm Products have agreed on a national tournament exclusion rule and ball exchange program for six Storm Products manufactured ball models. The agreement comes after USBC identified the models having a percentage of balls produced below USBC minimum 73D hardness specification. Read more: https://bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622337509

USBC's investigation showed a percentage of these ball models measured below the USBC-required hardness level of the approval samples submitted by Storm. Storm collaborated with USBC after being notified of this testing.

The affected models include: Storm Phaze 4, Storm Electrify Solid, Storm Trend 2, 900 Global Altered Reality, 900 Global Wolverine, Roto Grip UFO Alert

Effective March 30, 2022, these balls models are prohibited from use in USBC national tournaments, including but not limited to, the USBC Masters, U.S. Open, USBC Open Championships, USBC Women's Championships, all PWBA Tour events, USBC Junior Gold and Youth Open Championships, USBC Intercollegiate Championships, USBC Team USA Trials, USBC Senior Masters and USBC Senior Queens.

These ball models remain USBC approved. Each USBC competition, whether tournament or league, has the option to adopt USBC's national tournament rule prohibiting use of these balls or to continue to allow their use.

USBC has shared this national tournament rule with Storm and has Storm's support. Storm will offer owners of the affected balls the option to exchange their balls for a new product. Information about the exchange program will be published later this week on StormBowling.com.

Ok, but I don’t understand really.

Either they’re illegal, or they’re not. How can they be illegal BY THE USBC’s OWN RULES, yet still be okay to use in certified league competition?

 Can’t use them in a national tournament, but anything else is fine?

 And, if you already own one, you can use it, but nobody else can go buy one?

 I’ve defended the USBC in the past, but this debacle is just stupid.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #127 on: March 29, 2022, 09:57:13 PM »
USBC and Storm Products have agreed on a national tournament exclusion rule and ball exchange program for six Storm Products manufactured ball models. The agreement comes after USBC identified the models having a percentage of balls produced below USBC minimum 73D hardness specification. Read more: https://bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622337509

USBC's investigation showed a percentage of these ball models measured below the USBC-required hardness level of the approval samples submitted by Storm. Storm collaborated with USBC after being notified of this testing.

The affected models include: Storm Phaze 4, Storm Electrify Solid, Storm Trend 2, 900 Global Altered Reality, 900 Global Wolverine, Roto Grip UFO Alert

Effective March 30, 2022, these balls models are prohibited from use in USBC national tournaments, including but not limited to, the USBC Masters, U.S. Open, USBC Open Championships, USBC Women's Championships, all PWBA Tour events, USBC Junior Gold and Youth Open Championships, USBC Intercollegiate Championships, USBC Team USA Trials, USBC Senior Masters and USBC Senior Queens.

These ball models remain USBC approved. Each USBC competition, whether tournament or league, has the option to adopt USBC's national tournament rule prohibiting use of these balls or to continue to allow their use.

USBC has shared this national tournament rule with Storm and has Storm's support. Storm will offer owners of the affected balls the option to exchange their balls for a new product. Information about the exchange program will be published later this week on StormBowling.com.

Ok, but I don’t understand really.

Either they’re illegal, or they’re not. How can they be illegal BY THE USBC’s OWN RULES, yet still be okay to use in certified league competition?

 Can’t use them in a national tournament, but anything else is fine?

 And, if you already own one, you can use it, but nobody else can go buy one?

 I’ve defended the USBC in the past, but this debacle is just stupid.

Exactly, it makes no sense. They’re ok for league use but they can’t be sold anymore? Chad Murphy is one of the worst leaders I’ve ever seen in any arena. How could he possibly think this is the solution?
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #128 on: March 29, 2022, 10:15:14 PM »
USBC and Storm Products have agreed on a national tournament exclusion rule and ball exchange program for six Storm Products manufactured ball models. The agreement comes after USBC identified the models having a percentage of balls produced below USBC minimum 73D hardness specification. Read more: https://bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622337509

USBC's investigation showed a percentage of these ball models measured below the USBC-required hardness level of the approval samples submitted by Storm. Storm collaborated with USBC after being notified of this testing.

The affected models include: Storm Phaze 4, Storm Electrify Solid, Storm Trend 2, 900 Global Altered Reality, 900 Global Wolverine, Roto Grip UFO Alert

Effective March 30, 2022, these balls models are prohibited from use in USBC national tournaments, including but not limited to, the USBC Masters, U.S. Open, USBC Open Championships, USBC Women's Championships, all PWBA Tour events, USBC Junior Gold and Youth Open Championships, USBC Intercollegiate Championships, USBC Team USA Trials, USBC Senior Masters and USBC Senior Queens.

These ball models remain USBC approved. Each USBC competition, whether tournament or league, has the option to adopt USBC's national tournament rule prohibiting use of these balls or to continue to allow their use.

USBC has shared this national tournament rule with Storm and has Storm's support. Storm will offer owners of the affected balls the option to exchange their balls for a new product. Information about the exchange program will be published later this week on StormBowling.com.

Ok, but I don’t understand really.

Either they’re illegal, or they’re not. How can they be illegal BY THE USBC’s OWN RULES, yet still be okay to use in certified league competition?

 Can’t use them in a national tournament, but anything else is fine?

 And, if you already own one, you can use it, but nobody else can go buy one?

 I’ve defended the USBC in the past, but this debacle is just stupid.

Exactly, it makes no sense. They’re ok for league use but they can’t be sold anymore? Chad Murphy is one of the worst leaders I’ve ever seen in any arena. How could he possibly think this is the solution?


Chad did horrible with the Spectre and this is very similar. I could see allowing them till the end of the season to help storm but this is confusing.

After a few days of cluster f&$k by state and local associations i think usbc will make another announcement on the topic
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #129 on: March 29, 2022, 10:21:44 PM »
USBC and Storm Products have agreed on a national tournament exclusion rule and ball exchange program for six Storm Products manufactured ball models. The agreement comes after USBC identified the models having a percentage of balls produced below USBC minimum 73D hardness specification. Read more: https://bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622337509

USBC's investigation showed a percentage of these ball models measured below the USBC-required hardness level of the approval samples submitted by Storm. Storm collaborated with USBC after being notified of this testing.

The affected models include: Storm Phaze 4, Storm Electrify Solid, Storm Trend 2, 900 Global Altered Reality, 900 Global Wolverine, Roto Grip UFO Alert

Effective March 30, 2022, these balls models are prohibited from use in USBC national tournaments, including but not limited to, the USBC Masters, U.S. Open, USBC Open Championships, USBC Women's Championships, all PWBA Tour events, USBC Junior Gold and Youth Open Championships, USBC Intercollegiate Championships, USBC Team USA Trials, USBC Senior Masters and USBC Senior Queens.

These ball models remain USBC approved. Each USBC competition, whether tournament or league, has the option to adopt USBC's national tournament rule prohibiting use of these balls or to continue to allow their use.

USBC has shared this national tournament rule with Storm and has Storm's support. Storm will offer owners of the affected balls the option to exchange their balls for a new product. Information about the exchange program will be published later this week on StormBowling.com.

Ok, but I don’t understand really.

Either they’re illegal, or they’re not. How can they be illegal BY THE USBC’s OWN RULES, yet still be okay to use in certified league competition?

 Can’t use them in a national tournament, but anything else is fine?

 And, if you already own one, you can use it, but nobody else can go buy one?

 I’ve defended the USBC in the past, but this debacle is just stupid.

Exactly, it makes no sense. They’re ok for league use but they can’t be sold anymore? Chad Murphy is one of the worst leaders I’ve ever seen in any arena. How could he possibly think this is the solution?


Chad did horrible with the Spectre and this is very similar. I could see allowing them till the end of the season to help storm but this is confusing.

After a few days of cluster f&$k by state and local associations i think usbc will make another announcement on the topic

I was in my local shop and 6 guys came in with wolverines now needing a replacement for
Their replacement. (Spectre) all 6 said they no longer want to deal with SPI balls. It’s anecdotal for sure, however I think this will cause a lot of average folks to just not want to deal with SPI at all.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #130 on: March 29, 2022, 10:27:28 PM »

Chad did horrible with the Spectre and this is very similar. I could see allowing them till the end of the season to help storm but this is confusing.

After a few days of cluster f&$k by state and local associations i think usbc will make another announcement on the topic

I don't see how USBC won't follow with another announcement like the 2016-2017 Purple Hammers. It was the same thing said and then shortly after another announcement came with the full ban on those years.

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #131 on: March 30, 2022, 10:42:07 AM »
 Another thing.

 I went to the OPEN the week of 3/13-1/19.

 I saw quite a few people using balls that week that are now not allowed.

 I heard Chris Barnes shot a ton with a Phaze 4?

 What about all of this? What do we do about this situation?
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #132 on: March 30, 2022, 01:32:43 PM »
Another thing.

 I went to the OPEN the week of 3/13-1/19.

 I saw quite a few people using balls that week that are now not allowed.

 I heard Chris Barnes shot a ton with a Phaze 4?

 What about all of this? What do we do about this situation?

Unfortunately, there isn't anything we can do about it. As with Rash and complaining about Purple Hammers while winning with a Spectre, they can't go back and retroactively disallow the scores, as the balls were approved at the time the scores were shot.

However, if they wanted to, If the tournament officials logged the serial number of the ball, they could ask Barnes to submit the ball for testing. If it is found to be under, then we enter a grey area on what to do, because there is no way of knowing what the hardness of the ball was at the time the scores were shot, nor if any adjustments were made to the ball between when the scores were shot and when the ball would be tested. There isn't a clean and clear way out of this one outside of letting the scores stand.

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #133 on: March 30, 2022, 01:49:38 PM »
They had the chance to test the ball when he went through the line like everyone else.

One of the best bowlers ever bowled good so it's obviously because of the ball.

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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #134 on: March 30, 2022, 02:26:53 PM »
They had the chance to test the ball when he went through the line like everyone else.

One of the best bowlers ever bowled good so it's obviously because of the ball.

 No, not quite what I meant.

 He's good alright, and probably shoots good no matter what he throws.

 Just ball is illegal. If they going to let his scores stand, then let everybody have the chance to use the same ball if they want to.

 Not everybody would, and not everybody going to bowl well with it anyway, just that since he had the chance to use it, so should everyone else.

 Ban them after its over, and let everybody know now.
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Re: Storm Spectre stripped of USBC approval….
« Reply #135 on: March 30, 2022, 02:35:40 PM »
It's just circumstance of when you bowl.  No different than someone that goes later in the tournament that can use a ball that is released after some have already bowled.