Post by: alwood85 on January 21, 2011, 01:25:02 AM
I heard a rumor that Storm is going to stop distributing their products to online discount retailers such as Bowling.com, Bowlingball.com, and will only distribute to authorized Storm Pro Shops because the online retailers sell them too cheap. I hope this in indeed just a bad rumor. Bowling.com has the Storm Anarchy for $139.99, and my local Pro Shop sells it for $219.99. I am sorry, but that is major difference in price. Of course, I purchased from bowling.com
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Post by: JOE FALCO on January 21, 2011, 09:28:36 AM
I am quite surprised!!
Post by: Roto_Storm on January 21, 2011, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: alwood85 on January 21, 2011, 09:40:24 AM
That would mean I will have to pay over $200 for the Nano on Feb 1st. That is not good for bowlers like myself.
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Post by: Roto_Storm on January 21, 2011, 10:48:50 AM
Edited by Roto_Storm on 1/21/2011 at 11:49 AM
Post by: Juggernaut on January 21, 2011, 12:21:44 PM
Alwood85,
It is a policy referred to as "floor pricing". All that really means is that a manufacturer is, in conjunction with an MSRP (manufacturers suggested retail price), setting the lower limit that their products can be sold at. Part of this policy seems to be that, if someone is caught selling BELOW that level, that entity would lose the right to purchase and sell the merchandise in question, which is STORM bowling equipment.
While I totally understand the policy, I disagree with it strongly. If someone can buy in large enough quantities to get drastic price breaks, which they then pass along to the consumer, I think they should be able to do so, as long as they paid STORM what they asked for the products in the first place.
Many here think it is an attempt to bolster the flailing proshop industry by forcing the consumer back into the shop for their purchases instead of the online market by giving the "little guy" justification in charging higher prices and eliminating the low priced competition. I don't agree though. I believe that, in the end, it is a marketing ploy by the manufacturers to inflate the value of their merchandise artificially.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on January 21, 2011, 12:34:40 PM
What will you do when all the companies go this route?
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Post by: Gunny on January 21, 2011, 12:41:14 PM
Jugg hit it on the button!
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Post by: sstaz on January 21, 2011, 12:41:50 PM
well you can go buy brunswick they are made in mexico, motiv i know does not need to do this becasue most of their prices are right with the internet.
Post by: The Bowlers Edge 2 on January 21, 2011, 02:51:38 PM
This is hitting on the head! People got spoiled by the internet and people that aren't trying to make a living being okay with making 5$ a ball.
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Post by: Bigbowler on January 21, 2011, 03:38:50 PM
What everyone needs to do is wait 6 months until the balls are on closeout then buy them.
Post by: Juggernaut on January 21, 2011, 04:09:23 PM
[This is hitting on the head! People got spoiled by the internet and people that aren't trying to make a living being okay with making 5$ a ball.]
Yes, perhaps we did get "spoiled", but it happened. And, as much as you (and others) hate to hear it, perhaps the day of the full time professional proshop has already come and gone. I really don't like it either, but it is looking more and more like this every day.
Granted, there are still pockets where a limited number of shops could still be supported, but those areas are often FLOODED with far too many people trying to share a market that won't support ALL of them.
The internet is here folks, and it is here to stay. It has FOREVER changed the way people shop, recreate, and interact.
I don't know if its a good thing or a bad thing, but it is a fact. At this point, I don't know if what the manufacturers are doing is going to have a positive effect or not. I highly doubt it.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, there are far too many people (manufacturers, distributors, salesmen, and proshops) trying to make a full time living off of a part time industry and doing it on the backs of the consumer by over-inflating prices, then trying to force those prices down our throats.
I understand peoples desire to make a living doing what they want/chose. I would love to be in the proshop business also. Sadly, this isn't always the case and, if you're in the proshop industry, you are in an artificial market that has been created by lies from the manufacturers who were/are interested in lining nobodies pockets but their own, and have done so by flooding the artificial market they created with merchandise that they discontinue quickly so that they can release the NEXT batch, leaving you to flounder in the morass they created for you.
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Post by: golfnutFL on January 21, 2011, 09:30:21 PM
Amen....
Post by: TrackMaster on January 21, 2011, 09:45:33 PM
Post by: Perfect Approach Pro Shop on January 22, 2011, 05:13:11 AM
Online distributors have sank the local pro shop. Pretty sad when I can get a ball online cheaper than from my distibutor that I have used for 13 years. But when you buy online and its cracks, have fun! Is is going to cost you on average $20 to send back, then the week or more wait to get replacement ball. Purchase through a pro shop like mine and if cracks, bring back and replacement is givin on spot as long as in stock as all drilling requirements are strictly followed. 13 years of drilling, I have not had my distributor reject one cracked ball.
Also, do online pro shops give local pro shops perks like giving them a seed ball occasionally to get into a bowlers hand to boost sales? HELL NO! They don't know you from Adam and once they hang up the phone, they could care less about you as they got your money.
Not trying to cause arguments, just trying to put a Pro Shop owners point of view out there. I would give 30 minutes of my time anytime to someone that purchases through me before I would give it to someone giving money to an online distributor 1000 miles away.
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Post by: coco3085 on January 22, 2011, 08:35:07 AM
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Post by: The Dreaded Durbin on January 22, 2011, 08:40:05 AM
COCO
Buddies sells you want ever ball specs you want. If they do not have it they will contact you and let you know what they have in stock.
Most of the reputable on line stores are doing this now.
The only on line site I would ever endorse over the pro shop is Buddies Pro Shop
Edited by The Dreaded Durbin on 1/22/2011 at 9:40 AM
Post by: coco3085 on January 22, 2011, 08:44:47 AM
That is good information to know. I do not and will not buy online, but I know a lot of guys who do that may find said information helpful. Thanks
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Post by: jls on January 22, 2011, 10:50:06 AM
Alwood, Sir you posted you paid $139 online for your ball... and your pro shop was selling it for $219...
However I do believe you left out a few things... One, how much did you pay to have said ball drilled...
And at $219, I would guess that price included drilling and maybe inserts...
So more than likely your final cost on your ball was around $189...
And with Storms new policy, it might be about $10 higher...
That is a far cry from what you posted $219 - $139...
As usual online shoppers LOVE to LEAVE out the cost of drilling...
Now I'm sure you had "your guy" drill it for you for $25...
jls
Edited by jls on 1/22/2011 at 11:59 AM
Post by: alwood85 on January 22, 2011, 12:26:03 PM
Yes, that is correct. I did leave out the drilling, thumb slug, and fingertip inserts of. That is because my local pro shot charges $50 for fit/drill, $10 for thumb slug, and another $10 for inserts. That is an additional $70 to get it drilled. So yes, that is the main reason I purchased the ball online for $140. I see no reason to pay $80 more for a ball than I need to. So in total I paid $220 to acutally get my ball bowl ready. If I would have bought the ball from my local pro shop, I would have had to spend $290. I want to support my local pro shop, but at the prices they charge for the ball themselves I am not going to just throw money away that I have a limited supply of as it is. That is the consumer thinking. It's not charity after all.
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Post by: tizzle on January 22, 2011, 12:42:06 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on January 22, 2011, 12:44:25 PM
And, I believe, in your post, lies much of the answer.
I honestly feel that JLS would agree that $290 is too much for the ball ready to bowl with. Part of the problem may be that many shops do charge fair prices, while others that we use as examples, don't.
IF the price is the same in the end, I will ALWAYS buy from the local shop, but around here, that is a rare case. I can usually find what I'm looking for online cheaply enough to MORE than make up for drilling charges.
All that may end soon though, and I can only hope that the B&M shops don't try to take advantage of a "captive" audience and start to jack the prices up now.
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Post by: pin-smasher on January 22, 2011, 01:10:18 PM
Post by: airrip on January 22, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
He has already stated that pro shop prices will not go up. He speaks for every pro shop. So no need to worry. He also said none of you basement hole pounders can drill a ball as well as all of these qualified pro shops. So everyone knock it off. I mean you have to go through how many years of schooling, and how many countless hours of certification to be a ball driller. I can't even imagine a number that big. JLS maybe you can remind us all of the classes and the hours of schooling that ball drillers go through.
Seriously there are some great drillers out there, but to simple dismiss everyone who buys a ball online, and has a friend who drills it for $25 as a bad thing is another of your idiotic generalized statements. Prices are going up as a result of ebonite and storms policies. Hopefully that will help the good pro shops, but to simply state that it helps all shops and that's a good thing, I strongly disagree with. Obviously this will not affect the great one and his pro shop super store.
Post by: TrackMaster on January 22, 2011, 01:46:50 PM
Post by: pin-smasher on January 22, 2011, 02:51:26 PM
maybe the pro shop will make some more money so they can go to school and learn also,just because you own a pro shop dosent mean you know how to drill a ball................
Post by: pin-smasher on January 22, 2011, 03:10:47 PM
Post by: kidlost2000 on January 22, 2011, 03:55:27 PM
You want to save on cost you can. Between online retailers and ebay you can save a decent amount of money. If you use thumbslugs and inserts you can also save online. Usually thumbslugs run $3 and inserts around $3-5. So if you buy all of them online with your ball your looking only at the cost of drilling. I bought my drill, jig, and drill bits in 2000 and it has long since paid for its self. (ebay jig and bits $225 shipped, bench top drill press at Lowes $225) Over time we added other needed tools here and there to have a complete proshop on hand and ready. My brother and I have split the cost and used it for our selves, family, and friends. He had several years proshop experience and after watching him in shop and at home learned plenty to be able to drill my own equipment. If you use your resources correctly online you can learn a lot.
Some love to argue the vast knowledge of proshops that you get in store vs online. That is only true in many small cases. There are just as many proshops that do a bad job of not learning anything about the bowler, and just punch the ball and send them out as ever. (I see it every week) It's either pin above the finger for length, or pin down for early roll and that is it.
Still if companies plan on cutting out online stores or having minimum prices they also better plan on fewer releases. I think its easy to agree that in this economy sales will not support so many new releases all of the time.
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Post by: xxxrevss on January 22, 2011, 09:36:56 PM
Why does everyone just assume that the proshop in the bowling alley is the best place to get a ball...The proshop I used to go to didn't even measure ppl's PAP, Also the "pro" running it is signed by Ebonite and Turbo...so guess what gets thrown down everyone's throats.. I had to drive 2 1/2 hours just to be able to get the Vise IT thumb installed...because the "pro" can't use Vise products...Myself and a friend of mine got tired of being ripped off by this so called "pro shop" so we in together and bought our own set up...and we're not the only one's...in the last year I know of 3 other ppl in this small town that has bought their own set up's...I don't understand why everyone thinks if its called a "pro shop" they know what their doing and are going to match you up with what u need...I've seen this guy openly admit he doesn't know much about storm balls, but this new Ebonite ball is...yeah you get the point. This is the type of "pro shop" Storm and Ebonite are helping out with their new policies...and ppl like myself and the others who drill thier own stuff are getting screwed...hell I was thniking about getting all the BS stuff I need to start taking customers, but then the owner informed me if I did that I'd be banned from the bowling alley...then I'd have to drive a good hour just to be able to bowl...This house and it's so called "proshop" is what is ruining bowling... not internet sells...
Post by: tburky on January 23, 2011, 12:25:27 PM
Post by: Mike Austin on January 23, 2011, 12:55:33 PM
Sorry Pinsmash, but the online companies DON"T buy in large quantities. They don't buy in any quanitity. Now they do SELL in large quantities, but it is many many small orders. Generally, they don't buy anything, they drop ship from distributors around the country. They generally never see or touch the product. The distributors in their greed and noncaring attitude for the pro shops are the ones who sell to the onlines at a discounted rate. If the distributors would sell to the pro shops for the same prices as the online shops, then we could compete with price. But they don't, so we can't. Now the manufacturers are finally stepping in. The pro shops are the ones that are hands on with the bowlers and are the ones that offer service to the bowlers, the onlines don't offer any help except a few videos and a cheaper price. The manufacturers are trying to protect the ones that are directly responsible for seeing that their product is used in the proper way.
Ebonite's policy is trying to get the Big 3 to BUY in large quantities, warehouse it themselves, and ship it themselves. They evidently are not doing this, so no EBI products on these three sites. Like someone else mentioned, Buddies has EBI products on their site, and in my experience offers better service than the "Big 3".
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Post by: Mike Austin on January 23, 2011, 12:57:53 PM
Would you please STFU??!! You don't offer anything positive to any thread you post in. You just follow JLS around by his gonads and bash at every chance you get, hiding behind your screen name while doing so. Do us all a favor, stick to the topic at hand or shut up.
Sorry, venting, just got a splinter in my hand building a work bench. LOL!
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Post by: sunsetlefty on January 23, 2011, 01:21:31 PM
Mike's comments are 100% spot on.
Read the post carefully and you find the REAL companies responsible for the problem.
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Post by: pin-smasher on January 23, 2011, 02:24:26 PM
Post by: Monster Pike on January 23, 2011, 04:40:16 PM
Well, I'll just wait longer & longer between getting new balls now... Use the old ones til they're totally dead.
I think this policy will hurt them (bowling companies) in the beginning & you'll just see em raise prices to compensate. I bet the proshops raise their prices now knowing this... Maybe not yet, but I bet they will w/in a yr.
Army Proud
Edited by Monster Pike on 1/23/2011 at 5:41 PM
Post by: pin-smasher on January 23, 2011, 06:27:27 PM
so is storm going to change there company saying from the THE BOWLERS COMPANY to THE PRO SHOPS COMPANY............... lol
Post by: robby on January 24, 2011, 02:52:51 PM
allwood, i think you may be mistken. im sure that if you go to your proshop that the price of 219.00 on the ball is final. The 70 bucks to get it drilled only applies if you bought the ball else where. Thats how every shop is that ive been to.Ask the pro shop man and see and if the final price is 219.00 then you arent saving much by buying online and if he is charging 290.00 total then thats insane.
Post by: Monster Pike on January 24, 2011, 05:44:52 PM
It's probably $219 plus tax.... I bought balls from jls & he always tells me the price out the door w/a car wash & a wax & a bag of taco supremes... But he fails to include the tax.... So your right, that $219 is probably drilled but before tax.... Best to check w/pro shop guy & not just assume.
Army Proud
Post by: airrip on January 24, 2011, 06:04:16 PM
Its obvious why you agree with him on this topic, because it benefits you financially in your business, and thats fine, i dont even blame you, but the fact is it is going to cost bowlers who buy on line, or do not have a pro shop close by, or maybe they don't carry that brand of ball, more money. But once again what do I know.
Now if you would like to discuss me hiding behind my screen name feel free to contact me or respond to the message I sent you and I would be more then happy to discuss it with you. If you can stoop to my level with you being a hall of famer and all
Edited by airrip on 1/24/2011 at 7:05 PM
Post by: Mike Austin on January 25, 2011, 09:03:24 AM
No apology needed, you didn't offend me. Just gets kinda tired reading you ripping jls (or anybody by anybody) when said ripping has nothing to do with the thread. I come on here to try and help bowlers, drillers, anybody that wants it. If you want to rip jls, fine by me, start a thread and do it there, not in somebody else's thread.
BTW, that's why it's called (by you) a generalized statement. GENERALLY pro shop prices have not gone up because of these manufacturer actions. YOUR pro shop went up, that's the only one. Probably some other ones have, but GENERALLY they haven't. (yet). GENERALLY the prices have went up on the internet, but like I said, not in pro shops, at least not in Houston.
I responded kindly to your message. I'm not sure what me being in the Houston Hall of Fame has to do with any of this, but you brought it up? Me being in said HOF had nothing to do with getting down to your level. Have a nice day anyway, and welcome to my ignore list.
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Post by: Bigmike on January 25, 2011, 11:50:54 AM
It wont be long before true Pro Shops are gone by the wayside like full service gas stations. The guys who invested and bought your own drill press and your own set-ups, then congrats. You are truly involved in the game and have taken it up a notch to the hobby level instead of novice or once a week bowler.
I get where Storm and Ebonite are going with this. I have not spoken to our Storm rep in awhile but I guarantee they know who the real culprits in this are and would have a "Classic" answer to the question.
It is the consumers perogative to seek out the best price possible. I do it when I buy many things daily like auto parts or clothing. Now the actual service itself is different as I do not have the confidence to tear the brakes off my truck and reassemble them. For this I got to a professional. It is the same if I need a coat taken in or the hem in my slacks taken out. I do not sew, so a pro is needed.
The one thing about waiting to buy on close out is someone still has to drill it. My blank drilling price is the same regardless of what YOU paid for it: $50 for a blank, $10 for finger inserts, and $12 for a thumb insert. If that is too much, then it is your perogrative to go elsewhere. But trust me, I have several repeat customers who have no problem paying my price because they trust my service will be good or I will go to great lengths to make it right.
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Post by: robbinsdalepro on January 27, 2011, 10:21:45 AM
I run a pro shop and i really must put in my 2 cents worth here. So everyone is all butt hurt that you cant get a storm or ebonite ball dirt cheap anymore? I also think that if you get charged 290 bucks for a ball that pro shop wont be in service very long or at least in my town he wouldn't. But anywho what chaps me is how people buy these balls from the net then bring them to the shop then they act mad when i tell them its 65 to drill it with inserts like i owe them to drill it cheap since they bowl at my center. So amen to the companies for raising the price to the internet sites its been LONG overdue.Cause unless you people are gonna drill them in your house with a cordless drill you need pro shops and the men and women who run them to keep going to schools and learing the new layouts so we can make you a better bowler by using the technology these companies are applying to these new bowling balls.
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Post by: tburky on January 27, 2011, 02:43:39 PM
For whatever it is worth jls it is time to stop beating a dead horse. All of us on here know how you feel about the pricing and that is the great thing you get to do...express your opinion. However, it gets pointless when you continually go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on....get my picture?
Edited by tburky on 1/27/2011 at 10:53 PM
Post by: 3835 on January 28, 2011, 04:40:36 AM
The only way this benefits the consumer is in the long runl. If the internet is allowed to kill more pro shops from the cut throat pricing levels, eventually, all the industry will have is the backyard/garage/basement ball drillers as anyone who tried to make a living off running a shop will be gone. Gone will be the ability to have someone at the lanes to coach you, etc.
I am not standing on a box saying every operator is a gem, they are not. However, ridding the earth of every single one is not an option either, and that is the route the internet was going with the shops. Thus, the consumer only benefits over the long run, no instant gratification our society is used to today.
3835
Post by: Ballreviews on January 28, 2011, 06:54:51 AM
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Post by: milorafferty on January 28, 2011, 07:56:07 AM
A big 'ol +1 to that!
Post by: kidlost2000 on January 28, 2011, 08:21:23 AM
So is it just Storm or did RotoGrip also follow along? No mention of RG and was curious.
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Post by: StickZ on January 29, 2011, 09:53:58 AM
wooohoooo ballreviews has a moderator finally someone to shut JLS up!!!!!!! anywho, if the proshops take the time and go about everything as they are SUPPOSE <----key word ...to then we wouldnt be buying online. for the longest time I felt that I didnt have a reliable proshop within an hour of my house, so yes I buy online to save the extra 60-80 bucks and i worked at the center and a friend drilled his stuff so he drilled mine as well. Now it seems as if the proshop guy has gotten his crap together now so i think my next ball will be purchased through him. If the shops do their part i(the customer) will do my part in supporting the shop. but i refuse to pay for this "service" you guys speak of that alot of proshops lack...
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Post by: jls on January 29, 2011, 11:19:38 AM
This is a prime example of a BIAS comment... this person buys online...And seems to have a problem with someone defending pro shops...And he gets his balls drill by a friend, so therefore it appears he feels that pro shops overcharge...
So it's ok for him to come on here and post and knock me??? Because I defend pro shops...
But it's not ok for me to post... And as anyone can see, in this thread, I addressed the topic... Then someone came on and started right in on me....Notice how many post were made on this thread... Yet only one person came on and attacked...And yes, I'm guilty of firing back, >>> once attacked...
jls
Edited by jls on 1/29/2011 at 1:30 PM
Post by: SKIDSNAP on January 29, 2011, 11:49:46 AM
What do you do for a living because whatever it is you get paid way way too much.
I'm very sure that I can go somewhere else and get whatever you do for way way less.
Did you go to school or get any technical training cause that was an absolute waste of your time. Cause I'm sure that I'm smart enough and I have a buddy who is smart enough that I don't need your help ever.
You are an ignorant a$$.
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 29, 2011, 12:27:30 PM
STICKZ has been around for a number of years .. he takes exception to the remarks that are made by jls .. I am also a long time member and I ALSO take exception to jls words!
STICK notes that he's willing to pay for B/M shops service when it is earned .. I find no fault with his comments.
Why do we stand by and allow jls to degrade our membership but take exception to someone who voices his opinion without belittling anyone!
Post by: jls on January 29, 2011, 12:40:16 PM
What remarks have I made that he is referring too???
That Ebonite did not raise prices...That Ebonite and Storm have decided they need a pricing policy to protect their brands...That the cost of HP Ebonite balls went up about $10 online....
All of these are FACTS... Not statements made by JLS... They are hard facts...
Now I pointed out {as well as many other pro shops did } to Joe that online prices have not gone thru the roof... I pointed out that Ebonite's HP balls went up $10 online... I also pointed out that Ebonite did not raise their prices... The Online dealers raised their prices....
Are these the remarks that upsets people like Joe and this other person???
These are all 100% accurate facts...
But since I defend pro shops, online shoppers like Joe and this person feel it's their right to attack me, and the truth....
I dare Joe or this person to post one remark I made about these new set price policies that is not true...
jls
Edited by jls on 1/29/2011 at 1:41 PM
Post by: SKIDSNAP on January 29, 2011, 12:43:13 PM
Okay Joe you tell me what kind of service you think is worth paying for. You define it for us.
I'm willing to bet it has to do with low prices...but let me not put words in your mouth.
Go ahead tell me.....Stickz too...
Post by: jls on January 29, 2011, 12:48:24 PM
Skid, I think you are 100% right... The other person posted how he gets his balls drilled by a friend of a friend...He didn't mention the cost...But he did seem to feel that paying $60-70 is to high unless he feels he is getting top notch service... Now in my area, most shops charge $40-60 to drill a HP ball...
Why is it that we always see someone who buys online saying things like they don't feel the pro shops they deal with give top notch service or charge too much... Why is that???
And why is it that us pro shops can't take exception to those remarks...
There are many pro shops that have been on this site for a long time... And I'll bet many of them also take ex ception to these remarks that pro shops don't know what they are doing or that they over charge people...Or that a quality company like Ebonite may be a "raper" now because it has set pricing...
I take offense to that remark..."raper"...
jls
Edited by jls on 1/29/2011 at 2:25 PM
Post by: jls on January 29, 2011, 12:55:34 PM
JOE FALCO (NC)    Report Post |  Posted on 1/11/2011 at 1:20 PMDid you say RAPER |
Now this to me is a remark that is out of line and offensive....
This was posted in a thread where someone wanted to know what the Ebonite logo meant...
jls
Edited by jls on 1/29/2011 at 1:57 PM
Post by: sunsetlefty on January 29, 2011, 02:38:26 PM
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Post by: JOE FALCO on January 29, 2011, 06:29:24 PM
Snapsnap .. What are you asking ME .. my statement was "I FIND NO FAULT WITH HIS COMMENTS" .. did you want to direct a question to STICKZ .. seems like you are a little mixed up! Please don't try to draw me into something I'm not talking about .. I did say something about jls comments .. I don't see you mentioning that I guess you are in agreement with his ridicule!
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 29, 2011, 06:46:20 PM
Sunset lefty wrote:
Falco, answer the question. Define what good service is and what you are willing to pay for it. So far as I've seen, you're impressed when a company takes a ball back and replaces it for free. Is that what qualifies as good service? Free? You don't like the new pricing, do what Drrev said....save your sheckels until you have enough to buy what you want. Or buy it used, whether it has scribe lines on it or not you're still saving money and that's your main bitch after all.
Response by JoeFalco:
If you are not impressed by a company that takes a cracked ball (that's what we were referring too) and replaces it .. I don't know what to say! NO . I don't like the new pricing and I've said that many times .. the new pricing (as you refer to it) only effects those dealers that were giving the bowler a break .. you may not be one of those bowlers .. I was .. therefore I DON'T LIKE IT! Yes I don't buy USED BALLS and I certainly would NOT BUY one that is scribed. Now if I answered all your comments I'll move on .. sorry I upset you .. your profile says you were trained by Ebonite .. good for you!
Post by: jls on January 29, 2011, 07:20:19 PM
What i find amazing here is how Joe and his little friends can come on and post anything them want, and it's OK....But if a pro shop comes on and questiones their comments, that pro shop becomes the bad guy...
Joe started a thread bashing Ebonite over their pricing policy... He claimed prices would soar.. They DID NOT....In fact they went up ONLY $10 I pointed that out, and then Joe got all bent out of shape and decided to put me on his iggy list...
Then he started a thread ATTACKING ME... And everyone who replied to that thread KNEW who he was attacking... And while attacking me, he had me on his iggy list... Joe likes to attack people and then HIDE behind his iggy list....
In another thread, Joe referred to Ebonite as "the Raper" I have copied and posted that RUDE CRUDE REMARK made against a respected Ball Company....
He referred to them as the "raper" because they are trying to protect their brands image...
Now once again I am asking Joe to post all these so called remarks he claims I made that upset him...
Now most of them were things called THE TRUTH.... I pointed out the TRUTH and Joe can't HANDLE the TRUTH... So he hides under his iggy list while attacking me every chance he gets...
Several times in the last few days, Joe has come into a post were I have just posted to attack... Then after a short period, he deletes his remarks...
Now since Joe has me on his iggy list, he can't see this.... So would someone please Quote it...
In this thread I addressed the topic by asking the OP, if the $139 price included drilling, and the so called pro shop price of $219 included drilling.... The OP made it sound like the $139 price was drilled... Yet we now know that it did not include drilling....
And then someone came on and attacked me...He didn't bother to address the topic... No he just attacked me...
And he has been doing that in thread after thread...
And then Joe's friends come on and Cheer the mod for shutting me up....
I guess they can't handle the truth either...
jls
Edited by jls on 1/29/2011 at 8:25 PM
Post by: SKIDSNAP on January 29, 2011, 07:46:05 PM
You will except nothing less than a cheap bowling ball and you have no regard for the person who has invested their time and energy in learning how to develop the product, operate the business where you purchase the product.
It is all about you and who gives a flying flip about everyone else.
The bowler in general does not lose out in this situation. People who provide better service will end up with more business. Leeches like you are just going to have to ...
SUCK IT UP!!!!
JOE FALCO wrote on 1/18/2011 7:29 PM:
We can look at this in different lights .. truth of the matter is .. The on-line dealers were offering discounts to bowlers .. since Ebonite says YOU CAN'T OFFER THESE DISCOUNTS .. we the BOWLER is losing out. I believe this is also hurting the on-line dealers since they no-longer can offer the BOWLER a better price. Now the BOWLER NOT HAVING AN OPTION has to pay a HIGHER PRICE then they were though the on-line dealer before Ebonite made this change. It's being called PROTECTING THEIR PRODUCT .. but who are they protecting against .. BUYERS???? Now STORM is jumping on the bandwagon .. why? It's been said .. IT'S ONLY $10 .. now the $10 (as it's being referred too) is only an increase to the BOWLER! I guess it's better in the B/M shops pocket then it is in the bowlers pocket! (to explain: the bowler now has to dish out extra money to either the B/M shops or dish out more money to the on-line shop .. naturally the B/M shop is not making more on the ball due to the Ebonite change .. just the bowler is paying more .. convoluted .. but that's the way it goes! NET/NET the bowler is paying more .. now it seems STORM will follow suite ..why not all the ball companies .. the only one losing out is the BOWLER)
Maybe the companies have the right idea .. get these prices higher before the USBC kills the game entirely!
HEY JOE,
This was from the thread about this subject in the misc. Section.
This was part of an interchange about this very issue.
Now that I have reminded you how about answering my earlier questions?
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 29, 2011, 07:58:52 PM
Please clear up what your asking .. my prior post talks about how bowlers were losing out because of a change made by Ebonite .. are you asking me to explain that again? What has that post got to do with your question? What are you searching for? Perhaps you'd like to talk directly to me .. jkjfalco@aol.com .. I'm available until about 11 PM then I like to watch the TV news and then go to bed ..if that time frame fits in with you I'd be happy to discuss whatever you choose ..Thanks!
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 29, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
Omnipotent .. Thank you for pointing out my error ..I apologize to Lefty ..
As for you .. I note your comments ..