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Wooten

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Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« on: December 09, 2013, 03:52:56 PM »
Hello all-

I've struggled a bit lately and I think it's more of an ignorance of condition and not matching up than problems with my ability.  Lately I feel like my release and timing are as good as they have been in awhile, but I struggle to adjust properly on one of my house shots.  It's best described as a severe wet/dry.  I didn't listen to some advice about using a ball with some surface because in my mind surface has always meant more hook, or at least early hook/burnup in this kind of shot.

I tried a Totally Defiant, IQ Tour Pearl with mixed results.  I'd line up fine for a bit, but then on what I thought were good shots, the ball would hook so sharply and so late that what seemed like a good shot was a big 4, greek church....you get the idea.

I don't have the speed I used to and I have more trouble on synthetics than I do wood fwiw.  Since this house changed from wood, my average has dropped around 15 pins - consistent 215-220 for a decade, now 200-205.  I'm a tweener, stroker who typically is comfortable standing 2-4 board left of center and playing 8-14 as conditions warrant, at around 14-15mph, 350 rev rate.  My best success on this particular shot was after finally listening so some advice and hitting an old DV8 Hell Raiser Revenge with a green scotch-brite.  Ball is calm and much easier to manage, even if I miss in either direction.  As the lanes transition though and I move my feet left and target inside, it's too soft to play deep with.  It's either corner pins or splits of the 2-8-10 variety. If I try to leave my feet in the same place but move my target in and go straighter, the ball reacts earlier as you might expect.  Trying the pearl balls at this point is sort of a disaster.

I do have an IQ tour solid, but it's too strong for the dry and too weak for the inside on this pattern.  It works better than most of the balls I have, but it still is way too over/under to manage easily.  I have a Sync as well, but it's drilled for Reno and just doesn't work on a house shot at all.

This seems like a pure matchup issue, as well as a learning issue - and I think I'm finally learning to stop thinking that a lot of surface is a bad thing on this shot.  Help me put a ball in my hands that someone like me can get down the lane but turn with enough backend to carry. IQ Tour Fusion? Marvel S? Zero Gravity? (would prefer something out now :)

 

Wooten

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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2014, 12:02:49 PM »
Thanks.  I guess my concern with the LO is that it's kind of flippy in the videos I've seen, but I assume the surface/layout takes care of calming that down - but not to the point as to make it too week for a tweener?

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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2014, 12:12:26 PM »
Lights out is not flippy at all. I have pin down 40x4 x 60 with a p3 hole and it's a smooth. Makes a hard move but not flippy.
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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2014, 09:51:08 AM »
I am planning on trying this layout out, but my driller only uses pin and cg to pap. What would you suggest? 2x4?

PAP: 4 1/2 > 3/4 ^
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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2014, 11:28:14 AM »
2" X 3.75" in the positive/thumb quadrant to accommodate the weight hole down
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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2014, 12:55:11 PM »
Thanks Rico. What sitze hole do you recommend?

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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2014, 05:02:26 PM »
1" X 2.5" deep
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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2014, 07:26:07 AM »
Thanks much Rico. Going to try it out tonight :)

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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2014, 11:55:33 AM »
hi ric,

i have the layout on one of my balls, but the weight hole is about an inch deep and not 2.5. if i drill the whole deeper, i will end up with negative side weight. at the moment i am at 0. should i drill the hole deeper? i am liking the reaction i have.

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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2014, 11:28:46 PM »
Drill the hole deeper...statics are irrelevant
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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2014, 08:21:22 AM »
Oh boy, here we go . . *runs for cover*

Drill the hole deeper...statics are irrelevant
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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2014, 08:28:57 AM »
As long as you keep the statics within the static weight rules laid out by USBC, do it. If you're worried about statics, the deeper hole may only take out another half ounce, but the reaction will change much more with the change in shape of the weight block. Depending on the ball, 1 inch deep probably didn't even touch the core.

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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2014, 01:25:12 PM »
My comment was not meant to incite furor or anything other than I was more keying in on the reaction than worrying about the overall statics
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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2014, 01:51:53 PM »
Haha I know, I've just seen big discussions break out over this in the past . .

My comment was not meant to incite furor or anything other than I was more keying in on the reaction than worrying about the overall statics
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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2014, 04:19:42 PM »
I've started many of them (:
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Re: Surface and Wet/Dry - Storm recommendations
« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2014, 12:38:09 PM »
The key on wet dry, or on flatter patterns for that matter is to find a way to play more direct through the heads.  That is why I don't like real aggressive shells.  Not all pearls are necessarily bad on wet dry.  Someone mentioned the Freeze.  I would add the Cobalt Vibe to the list, and there are others out there.  Also some solids like the IQ Tour can be set up to handle wet dry very nicely.  I have mine at 4000 wet sand, with an axis hole, and it is still smooth off the dry, and lets me play further right and fairly direct.