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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: charlest on January 03, 2015, 12:15:15 PM
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I just saw this ball on Buddies web site, but it may have been discussed here before. (WWRD, world wide release date, is Feb. 24th; I may have jumped the gun a little bit on this. Sorry, but it sure looks interesting.)
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/p-5435-storm-rocket-bowling-ball-wwrd-22415.aspx (http://www.buddiesproshop.com/p-5435-storm-rocket-bowling-ball-wwrd-22415.aspx)
Is this another attempt by Storm to replace the everlasting Hy-Road?
The coverstock is also an R2S hybrid. While the core shape is different, the core specifications are close: RG: 2.54 vs. 2.57; Diff: .046" vs. .046.
If not, how does it/will it differ in ball reaction from the Hy-Road?
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I think it'll be close. How close? We won't know until it's out
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I think it'll be close. How close? We won't know until it's out
OOOOOH. Thanks I didn't see that: WWRD Feb 24!!! (I need to add that to the text.)
(We could all be dead by then. ) ;D
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The intended purpose is a smidge cleaner and slightly more down lane motion than the Hy-Road. And it is the first ball in the Thunder Line with filler.
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My bet is that the hyroad fe² core perhaps is too smooth for the THS bowler. The tournament bowler buys the hyroad, maybe the rocket is the average bowler. Maybe they're just mixing it up and creating 2 lines within the line...like the optimus/!Q master line.
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The intended purpose is a smidge cleaner and slightly more down lane motion than the Hy-Road. And it is the first ball in the Thunder Line with filler.
First core with filler? So more profit? Maybe its made in SA too.
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I'm not sure Bill. Just tellin ya what I read.
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I am not really into all this technical stuff but are you saying filler isn't good?
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First of all, reaction wise it lowers the RG no matter what the numbers show, it has lighter material around a denser center...secondly, how much do you think urethane truly costs? And how much they're actually saving by using a filler?
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If its so cheap why dont all companies use a core and a cover like lane masters did. I'm just throwing darts with a blind fold on here. I'm not in the industry, there's no $ to be made.
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It's technology and advancement...there's a chance they may not be able to...too many make the biggest deals over the simplest of issues
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If its so cheap why dont all companies use a core and a cover like lane masters did. I'm just throwing darts with a blind fold on here. I'm not in the industry, there's no $ to be made.
Bill,
Lane Masters, both the old company and the new one, has used/created/designed balls with no filler and with filler. So have Lord Field and Storm and Roto-Grip and Dyno-Thane, among other brands. It's not a matter of money. For some manufacturers, their top of the line balls use filler and for some, their top of the line uses no filler. It all depends on the ball, the design and how they market it.
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One of the main reasons filler is used is to manipulate the Rg's, its easier to change Rg mainly to lower the value. Companies that use to be all about two piece has learned that filler makes it easier to lower RG.
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It is not solely abt controlling RGs it's abt dynamic integrity and it started with the Quantum series in the early '90's designed by Bill Wasserberger...by using a lighter density wrap or filler, the inner core is able to hold it's dynamic values or integrity and alter the weights...the same weighted core in a 14lber and a 16lber
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It is not solely abt controlling RGs it's abt dynamic integrity and it started with the Quantum series in the early '90's designed by Bill Wasserberger...by using a lighter density wrap or filler, the inner core is able to hold it's dynamic values or integrity and alter the weights...the same weighted core in a 14lber and a 16lber
Didn't say it was solely the only reason, but your right the wt is the other issue and thus filler is needed to adjust Rg for lighter wt.
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You spin it so you sound correct...the original and only reason was the dynamic integrity...the influence of RGs is miminal...you are talking 100/1000's of an inch
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Here is what Victor Marion (Storm Tech Director and one of their ball designers) posted on the Storm staff FB page:
First time posting here, but I wanted to add some Clarity on the new Rocketâ„¢ from a design-side of things:
As everyone is aware, the Hy-Road has been in the product line for a long time and does an excellent job at clearing the front part of the lane, but still flipping downlane. However, there are times when it clears the front (and mids) too well, and doesn’t necessarily read the spot where we would like it to. When this occurs, you have a few different options, like bumping up a tier to the IQ Tour series, but in this case, the RG goes way down (2.57 -> 2.49) and so too does the diff (0.046 -> 0.029), so if the Hy-Road was close, but not exactly, the earlier midlane read and smoother motion of the IQ Tour series is most likely going to shape up completely different than a Hy-Road. Likewise, if you go farther up the line with the Optimus or Crux, the odds are these balls are way too strong and will come off the spot with a tad too much vigor.
So, our only other option (pre Rocket) is to go down a product line and look at the Lights Out or Wipe Out. Although these are higher RG (2.57 -> 2.55), there is still a loss of Diff (0.046 -> 0.038). So in this case, these might be a good alternative, but now you’ve traded a slightly earlier midlane read for less Diff, so there is a good chance that these Hot Line balls might also miss the spot.
Hence, the Booster Core design and R2S Hybrid really help bridge the gap when the Hy-Road is close, but is pushing just a little too far. The RG value is very close (2.57 -> 2.54) but the Diff is identical (0.046 = 0.046). So, the theory here is that this ball will push through the front parts cleaner than the Master and Premier line, but still provide the strong ball motion everyone expects out of the Thunder line.
I hope this clarifies a little about the design side of the new Rocket…
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Here is what Victor Marion (Storm Tech Director and one of their ball designers) posted on the Storm staff FB page:
First time posting here, but I wanted to add some Clarity on the new Rocketâ„¢ from a design-side of things:
As everyone is aware, the Hy-Road has been in the product line for a long time and does an excellent job at clearing the front part of the lane, but still flipping downlane. However, there are times when it clears the front (and mids) too well, and doesn’t necessarily read the spot where we would like it to. When this occurs, you have a few different options, like bumping up a tier to the IQ Tour series, but in this case, the RG goes way down (2.57 -> 2.49) and so too does the diff (0.046 -> 0.029), so if the Hy-Road was close, but not exactly, the earlier midlane read and smoother motion of the IQ Tour series is most likely going to shape up completely different than a Hy-Road. Likewise, if you go farther up the line with the Optimus or Crux, the odds are these balls are way too strong and will come off the spot with a tad too much vigor.
So, our only other option (pre Rocket) is to go down a product line and look at the Lights Out or Wipe Out. Although these are higher RG (2.57 -> 2.55), there is still a loss of Diff (0.046 -> 0.038). So in this case, these might be a good alternative, but now you’ve traded a slightly earlier midlane read for less Diff, so there is a good chance that these Hot Line balls might also miss the spot.
Hence, the Booster Core design and R2S Hybrid really help bridge the gap when the Hy-Road is close, but is pushing just a little too far. The RG value is very close (2.57 -> 2.54) but the Diff is identical (0.046 = 0.046). So, the theory here is that this ball will push through the front parts cleaner than the Master and Premier line, but still provide the strong ball motion everyone expects out of the Thunder line.
I hope this clarifies a little about the design side of the new Rocket…
My theory is that it's all marketing. :)
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Well that solves it ALL! Now I don't have to move my feet
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Well that solves it ALL! Now I don't have to move my feet
But I like the big dot. :)
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Black jack - stand on 20 hit 10
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Suspecting the Rocket intent will be along the performance range of a Reign Supreme or Crossroad, which imo were above (or below) a Hyroad (depending on an individuals matchup). Not as lengthy + transition not as fast as the Hyroad.
I shall order in the coming week+ and provide as soon as allowable if there is any interest.
Cheers
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The intent was actually to be cleaner through the fronts with a more defined move on the backend. I'll also have one on the way as soon as I can get one.
Suspecting the Rocket intent will be along the performance range of a Reign Supreme or Crossroad, which imo were above (or below) a Hyroad (depending on an individuals matchup). Not as lengthy + transition not as fast as the Hyroad.
I shall order in the coming week+ and provide as soon as allowable if there is any interest.
Cheers
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So when you need something very close to the HyRoad to read the pattern slightly different you should go to the Rocket instead of the HyRoad Solid or Pearl?? :-\
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Well that depends on what you mean by different. The earlier post on this thread about what Victor Marion said pretty well explains it.
So when you need something very close to the HyRoad to read the pattern slightly different you should go to the Rocket instead of the HyRoad Solid or Pearl?? :-\
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I'm confused on how the HyRoad Solid doesn't offer what is described in that post.
"However, there are times when it clears the front (and mids) too well, and doesn’t necessarily read the spot where we would like it to."
"Hence, the Booster Core design and R2S Hybrid really help bridge the gap when the Hy-Road is close, but is pushing just a little too far."
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Well that solves it ALL! Now I don't have to move my feet
I get a nose bleed when I move away from the big dot. Kinda scary.
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Surprised no one has mentioned it as the replacement to the Frantic with very similar specs and the same R2S hybrid cover and 1500/polished oob finish:
Frantic 2.53 RG, .044 diff
Rocket 2.54 RG, .046 diff
The cores look a little different with the Frantic being a little heavier near the top of the pin and the Rocket being more center heavy in relation to the top of the pin. Regardless, I would think they would provide a similar look and reaction.
With the Frantic being one of my favorites, a Rocket looks like a great option for me.
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The Solid still needs friction to move, it can also be longer even though the cover is more aggressive, plus it doesn't have the punch on the back that the Rocket will.
I'm confused on how the HyRoad Solid doesn't offer what is described in that post.
"However, there are times when it clears the front (and mids) too well, and doesn’t necessarily read the spot where we would like it to."
"Hence, the Booster Core design and R2S Hybrid really help bridge the gap when the Hy-Road is close, but is pushing just a little too far."
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Surprised no one has mentioned it as the replacement to the Frantic with very similar specs and the same R2S hybrid cover and 1500/polished oob finish:
Frantic 2.53 RG, .044 diff
Rocket 2.54 RG, .046 diff
The cores look a little different with the Frantic being a little heavier near the top of the pin and the Rocket being more center heavy in relation to the top of the pin. Regardless, I would think they would provide a similar look and reaction.
With the Frantic being one of my favorites, a Rocket looks like a great option for me.
THIS.
Absolutely loved the Frantic + had tons of success with the original (red) IQ's centripetal core. I'm drooling over this ball already.
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Just for those who are interested i've tracked down a video of the new Rocket
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Just for those who are interested i've tracked down a video of the new Rocket
When I tried to play it, it said the video owner is forcing everyone to go to YOuTube.com to play it.
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Just for those who are interested i've tracked down a video of the new Rocket
When I tried to play it, it said the video owner is forcing everyone to go to YOuTube.com to play it.
Whoops! Should be sorted.
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It's nice that there's a video out there, unfortunately, seeing this ball by itself really doesn't tell us much. Wouldn't it be great to see a video of the Rocket compared against the Hy-Road on the same condition with the same bowlers? I know comparison videos will come, but it's just a pet peeve of mine.
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Now that it has been out for a bit, how this ball compare to the Frantic?
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Now that it has been out for a bit, how this ball compare to the Frantic?
There are a few guys around me that have both and they all have the same opinion. Both balls roll pretty similar, but the Rocket has more pop in the backend.
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Core reminds me of the Rapid Fire's Twin V
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I've had this ball for about 6 months now. It is my benchmark ball. I can throw it on fresh and get a decent read on the lanes. Now part of that is just getting to know the ball and how it reacts, but there are many times it will be the only ball I'll use during league. My other ball is an Optimus Solid. I do like the Optimus. It hits HARD, but reading the lane for the way I throw the ball is a little lack luster especially in games 1 and 2, and by the time the lanes dry up, it's too strong. With the Rocket, I move around 4 boards the entire night on wood lanes. On synthetic it's a little less. I didn't really like the ball at first, but I realized it was user error. Now that I've tightened up my game and gotten comfortable with this ball, I can't see it leaving my bag. The Optimus Solid.....Well, that's a totally different conversation. :'(