Author Topic: Weak Cover (Read 6308 times)

Stormkid84 · « **on:** January 29, 2009, 01:28:38 AM »

I can't say enough good things about Storm products, but I do have one complaint and was wondering if anyone else feels this way...

Does anyone else think Storm needs to release a ball with a WEAKER coverstock? I find my Tropicals and Street Rods are to strong for light oil. I'm considering a Neptune for just those reasons. But just wondering anyone elses opinion.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

Stormkid84 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 29, 2009, 01:22:23 PM »

Dan,

To be honest, I shot 260 three weeks ago with my plastic ball, and I actually had bowlers disrespect me. My teamates were giving high fives, and the other team actually said, "Strikes with plastic don't deserve praise." I have no problem throwing plastic, just its not something that I feel I really should have to do. But hey, if thats what I have to do, I'll do it. Wish Storm would come out with a plastic ball with a core. Clear cover, T-Road core.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

dolbydigital · « **Reply #17 on:** January 29, 2009, 01:30:53 PM »

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Dan,

To be honest, I shot 260 three weeks ago with my plastic ball, and I actually had bowlers disrespect me. My teamates were giving high fives, and the other team actually said, "Strikes with plastic don't deserve praise." I have no problem throwing plastic, just its not something that I feel I really should have to do. But hey, if thats what I have to do, I'll do it. Wish Storm would come out with a plastic ball with a core. Clear cover, T-Road core.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

well,if plastics strikes dun deserve praise,than wat do?
c'mon they are just being sour grapes,anybody can hit strikes with plastics must have certain amount of skills in order to do it

way to go man
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jbruno6 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 29, 2009, 01:55:27 PM »

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My rev rate is med-high, 15mph speed, high track (pap is 5 3/8 3/8 up). So any help on the dry is needed! I have been strugling all season and cannot figure out ANYTHING on dry lanes.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

We pretty much have the same PAP, speed, revs. I tried alot also, but I have found an answer so far: A Hammer Razyr, taken down to 1000, with a light polish.
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SVstar34 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 29, 2009, 02:07:21 PM »

quote:
Dan,

To be honest, I shot 260 three weeks ago with my plastic ball, and I actually had bowlers disrespect me. My teamates were giving high fives, and the other team actually said, "Strikes with plastic don't deserve praise." I have no problem throwing plastic, just its not something that I feel I really should have to do. But hey, if thats what I have to do, I'll do it. Wish Storm would come out with a plastic ball with a core. Clear cover, T-Road core.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

Why should you not have to throw plastic? If plastic is working, throw plastic...
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Stormkid84 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 29, 2009, 02:07:37 PM »

What about those silly "Trick Layouts" Tommy Jones used to use taking a long pin (4-5) and placing it real high:
--P--
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-0-0-
--c--
--O--
Anyone try this before? Just wondering. Like I said, dry lanes are my biggest enemy
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #21 on:** January 29, 2009, 02:14:18 PM »

quote:
Dan,

To be honest, I shot 260 three weeks ago with my plastic ball, and I actually had bowlers disrespect me. My teamates were giving high fives, and the other team actually said, "Strikes with plastic don't deserve praise."

Just how flipping stupid (or jealous) are the other bowlers? You have to execute just as well, if not better, to score with a plastic ball. But you can still do it, and isn't the name of the game to knock down pins no matter how you do it?

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #22 on:** January 29, 2009, 02:15:13 PM »

quote:
What about those silly "Trick Layouts" Tommy Jones used to use taking a long pin (4-5) and placing it real high:
--P--
-----
-0-0-
--c--
--O--
Anyone try this before? Just wondering. Like I said, dry lanes are my biggest enemy
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

I had a buddy try this in a house that was scorched once. It didn't get the ball down the lane well enough, he still had to resort to throwing his plastic ball. The ball revved up very, very hard once it found enough friction.

themagician · « **Reply #23 on:** January 29, 2009, 02:17:36 PM »

My Tropical could be considered a "trick" layout, it is 6.5" from my axis, I haven't measured the pin to val or angle on it since I remeasured since my track raised for the pin to pap. The ball doesn't flare but maybe 1/2" and it does that very quickly and then just makes a very deliberate turn when it hits friction. It is pretty mild but if its hooking a lot I just use plastic, best option IMO.
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HAMMERDOWN103 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 29, 2009, 04:39:54 PM »

Just a note on the TJ trick layout. You place the pin like 4.5" from your axis but use a long pin to place it high above the fingers in order to get the ball downlane. It isn't like a 6" pin to pap or anything like that. I tried it and the ball is an absolute monster on the right condition. Have you considered a pin on axis ball? Only other thing i can think of suggesting.

dursty · « **Reply #25 on:** January 30, 2009, 08:53:47 PM »

I've heard that Storm has some weaker coverstocks available and a core that would match up with it but I think the problem is that for Storm it's going to be a little tricky to market that type of ball as everybody wants more hook today. The situation is a little like the particle balls you really don't see very much of anymore because of the high maintenance they required and shorter lifespan. Hopefully storm will move forward and release a good light/dry lane ball that would be higher performance version of a tropical storm... i.e. something that doesn't hockey stick when it see friction, or goes like a dart as soon as it see's a drop of carry down. It's probably harder to design a good dry lane ball than a pure hook monster in some respects. Should be interesting to see what the future holds... along with a spitfire, I might get hot rod pearl fill in the low end in my arsenal. As mentioned earlier in this thread storms 'low end' balls are still pretty strong.

Cobalt Bomb · « **Reply #26 on:** January 30, 2009, 10:59:26 PM »

It is true that Storm is lacking a weaker coverstock ball. The Creature and Link from 900g are excellent examples of balls with weaker covers than anything Storm has right now, and could use in their lineup. Even the Jolt cover was too strong to be a true dry lane ball.

charlest · « **Reply #27 on:** January 31, 2009, 09:49:40 AM »

quote:
What about those silly "Trick Layouts" Tommy Jones used to use taking a long pin (4-5) and placing it real high:
--P--
-----
-0-0-
--c--
--O--
Anyone try this before? Just wondering. Like I said, dry lanes are my biggest enemy
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

Those are useful to him, NOT as a way of handling dry lanes, but BECAUSE he has a lot of ball speed. Those are not dry lanes drillings. They're Tommy Jones/PBA drillings. Most of them can be very snappy. His ball speed reduces that snap.
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charlest · « **Reply #28 on:** January 31, 2009, 09:52:59 AM »

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It is true that Storm is lacking a weaker coverstock ball. The Creature and Link from 900g are excellent examples of balls with weaker covers than anything Storm has right now, and could use in their lineup. Even the Jolt cover was too strong to be a true dry lane ball.

The Creatures use Super-Flex, not a weak coverstock by anyone's imagination. Their utility is very silimar to the Street Rods. The SRs are slightly snappier but not a lot more, when both have the same surface finish.

Not sure what the Link uses, but its high RG core, approximately 2.6, very like the Tropical Storm, and low differential is what allows it to be used on lighter oils.

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A_P_K · « **Reply #29 on:** January 31, 2009, 10:05:56 AM »

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Not sure what the Link uses, but its high RG core, approximately 2.6, very like the Tropical Storm, and low differential is what allows it to be used on lighter oils.

True but for me with the same layout the Link is boards above stronger than the Neptune was. I'd say even though it's a good light oil piece take care with your layout.

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jbruno6 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 31, 2009, 10:40:06 AM »

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My rev rate is med-high, 15mph speed, high track (pap is 5 3/8 3/8 up). So any help on the dry is needed! I have been strugling all season and cannot figure out ANYTHING on dry lanes.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

We pretty much have the same PAP, speed, revs. I tried alot also, but I have found an answer so far: A Hammer Razyr, taken down to 1000, with a light polish.
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Everyone chose to ignore my Razyr suggestion. Keep drilling out your Links, Vibes, Creature Pearls, Neptunes. I've had them all. Good luck......
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