Post by: Stormkid84 on January 29, 2009, 01:28:38 AM
Does anyone else think Storm needs to release a ball with a WEAKER coverstock? I find my Tropicals and Street Rods are to strong for light oil. I'm considering a Neptune for just those reasons. But just wondering anyone elses opinion.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Post by: Jesse James on January 29, 2009, 09:37:22 AM
The Neptune is a very versatile and tweakable ball for various lighter oil conditions. I am also extremely fond of all the Sonic series balls which were perfect for various lite oil and dry conditons.
I still have two Sonic X's that save me on a regular basis in league. When everybody's Vibes are still leaving corners, I am carrying the world.
But.....back to your initial question posted,.....yeah...a little weaker cover for a Storm ball is needed. I thought they hit the mark with their Big Hit pearls, back in the day. Those balls were money!!!
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Post by: abrown on January 29, 2009, 09:42:04 AM
Post by: los2003 on January 29, 2009, 09:42:57 AM
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Post by: abrown on January 29, 2009, 09:45:04 AM
Post by: Stormkid84 on January 29, 2009, 09:46:07 AM
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Post by: abrown on January 29, 2009, 09:46:57 AM
Post by: Stormkid84 on January 29, 2009, 09:47:01 AM
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try a negative layout on one that will give you more length and control the reation better
Been done on a Tropical and a Rapid Fire Pearl. Tropical is to over/under, RFP is a little to strong.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Post by: abrown on January 29, 2009, 09:51:27 AM
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on January 29, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
I would not just say do a negative layout as so many forget that so called negative drillings cause the ball to roll early. Your driller just needs to put you in a layout matched for your game. Personally, I have a Street Rod Solid, Razor Wire and yes a Dimension that are only good when there is friction. If I have to use my Big Hit, it's a bad day!!! Not because I don't like the ball but because there is no oil to be found if it's working.
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Post by: themagician on January 29, 2009, 01:04:17 PM
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Post by: Stormkid84 on January 29, 2009, 01:12:52 PM
As far as my ball driller, that would be me. And I have a tendency to be able to match anyone up to a ball/layout option but when it comes to myself, forget about it. Sorry to turn this into a rant, its just painful to watch people get the ball down the lane, and my ball checking up at the arrows.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Post by: Dan Belcher on January 29, 2009, 01:15:27 PM
Post by: LowRG on January 29, 2009, 01:16:47 PM
Post by: Stormkid84 on January 29, 2009, 01:22:23 PM
To be honest, I shot 260 three weeks ago with my plastic ball, and I actually had bowlers disrespect me. My teamates were giving high fives, and the other team actually said, "Strikes with plastic don't deserve praise." I have no problem throwing plastic, just its not something that I feel I really should have to do. But hey, if thats what I have to do, I'll do it. Wish Storm would come out with a plastic ball with a core. Clear cover, T-Road core.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Post by: dolbydigital on January 29, 2009, 01:30:53 PM
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Dan,
To be honest, I shot 260 three weeks ago with my plastic ball, and I actually had bowlers disrespect me. My teamates were giving high fives, and the other team actually said, "Strikes with plastic don't deserve praise." I have no problem throwing plastic, just its not something that I feel I really should have to do. But hey, if thats what I have to do, I'll do it. Wish Storm would come out with a plastic ball with a core. Clear cover, T-Road core.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
well,if plastics strikes dun deserve praise,than wat do?
c'mon they are just being sour grapes,anybody can hit strikes with plastics must have certain amount of skills in order to do it
way to go man
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secret agent
power agent (int'l)
shift
attitude shift
gravity shift
surefire
spitfire
tropical storm
jolt solid
storm spare x 2
thunderstruck pearl
street rod solid
street rod pearl
dimension
perfect dimension (int'l)
rapid fire pearl
fired up II
phase (int'l)
hot shot
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Post by: jbruno6 on January 29, 2009, 01:55:27 PM
quote:
My rev rate is med-high, 15mph speed, high track (pap is 5 3/8 3/8 up). So any help on the dry is needed! I have been strugling all season and cannot figure out ANYTHING on dry lanes.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
We pretty much have the same PAP, speed, revs. I tried alot also, but I have found an answer so far: A Hammer Razyr, taken down to 1000, with a light polish.
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Post by: SVstar34 on January 29, 2009, 02:07:21 PM
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Dan,
To be honest, I shot 260 three weeks ago with my plastic ball, and I actually had bowlers disrespect me. My teamates were giving high fives, and the other team actually said, "Strikes with plastic don't deserve praise." I have no problem throwing plastic, just its not something that I feel I really should have to do. But hey, if thats what I have to do, I'll do it. Wish Storm would come out with a plastic ball with a core. Clear cover, T-Road core.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Why should you not have to throw plastic? If plastic is working, throw plastic...
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Bounty(4.5 x 4.75 Fresh 1000 Abralon)
Twisted Fury(5 x 4 500 Abralon + Reacta Shine)
Raw Hammer Pain(Leverage 1000 Abralon)
Blue Vibe(5 x 5 4000 Abralon + Reacta Shine)
Post by: Stormkid84 on January 29, 2009, 02:07:37 PM
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--O--
Anyone try this before? Just wondering. Like I said, dry lanes are my biggest enemy
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Post by: Dan Belcher on January 29, 2009, 02:14:18 PM
quote:Just how flipping stupid (or jealous) are the other bowlers? You have to execute just as well, if not better, to score with a plastic ball. But you can still do it, and isn't the name of the game to knock down pins no matter how you do it?
Dan,
To be honest, I shot 260 three weeks ago with my plastic ball, and I actually had bowlers disrespect me. My teamates were giving high fives, and the other team actually said, "Strikes with plastic don't deserve praise."
Post by: Dan Belcher on January 29, 2009, 02:15:13 PM
quote:I had a buddy try this in a house that was scorched once. It didn't get the ball down the lane well enough, he still had to resort to throwing his plastic ball. The ball revved up very, very hard once it found enough friction.
What about those silly "Trick Layouts" Tommy Jones used to use taking a long pin (4-5) and placing it real high:
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--O--
Anyone try this before? Just wondering. Like I said, dry lanes are my biggest enemy
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Post by: themagician on January 29, 2009, 02:17:36 PM
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Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on January 29, 2009, 04:39:54 PM
Post by: dursty on January 30, 2009, 08:53:47 PM
Post by: Cobalt Bomb on January 30, 2009, 10:59:26 PM
Post by: charlest on January 31, 2009, 09:49:40 AM
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What about those silly "Trick Layouts" Tommy Jones used to use taking a long pin (4-5) and placing it real high:
--P--
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-0-0-
--c--
--O--
Anyone try this before? Just wondering. Like I said, dry lanes are my biggest enemy
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Those are useful to him, NOT as a way of handling dry lanes, but BECAUSE he has a lot of ball speed. Those are not dry lanes drillings. They're Tommy Jones/PBA drillings. Most of them can be very snappy. His ball speed reduces that snap.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: charlest on January 31, 2009, 09:52:59 AM
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It is true that Storm is lacking a weaker coverstock ball. The Creature and Link from 900g are excellent examples of balls with weaker covers than anything Storm has right now, and could use in their lineup. Even the Jolt cover was too strong to be a true dry lane ball.
The Creatures use Super-Flex, not a weak coverstock by anyone's imagination. Their utility is very silimar to the Street Rods. The SRs are slightly snappier but not a lot more, when both have the same surface finish.
Not sure what the Link uses, but its high RG core, approximately 2.6, very like the Tropical Storm, and low differential is what allows it to be used on lighter oils.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: A_P_K on January 31, 2009, 10:05:56 AM
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Not sure what the Link uses, but its high RG core, approximately 2.6, very like the Tropical Storm, and low differential is what allows it to be used on lighter oils.
True but for me with the same layout the Link is boards above stronger than the Neptune was. I'd say even though it's a good light oil piece take care with your layout.
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Post by: jbruno6 on January 31, 2009, 10:40:06 AM
quote:quote:
My rev rate is med-high, 15mph speed, high track (pap is 5 3/8 3/8 up). So any help on the dry is needed! I have been strugling all season and cannot figure out ANYTHING on dry lanes.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
We pretty much have the same PAP, speed, revs. I tried alot also, but I have found an answer so far: A Hammer Razyr, taken down to 1000, with a light polish.
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Everyone chose to ignore my Razyr suggestion. Keep drilling out your Links, Vibes, Creature Pearls, Neptunes. I've had them all. Good luck......
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Post by: Cobalt Bomb on January 31, 2009, 11:02:39 AM
quote:quote:
It is true that Storm is lacking a weaker coverstock ball. The Creature and Link from 900g are excellent examples of balls with weaker covers than anything Storm has right now, and could use in their lineup. Even the Jolt cover was too strong to be a true dry lane ball.
The Creatures use Super-Flex, not a weak coverstock by anyone's imagination. Their utility is very silimar to the Street Rods. The SRs are slightly snappier but not a lot more, when both have the same surface finish.
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Not sure what the Link uses, but its high RG core, approximately 2.6, very like the Tropical Storm, and low differential is what allows it to be used on lighter oils.
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Super-Flex-1995-96 technology
Reactor 2005-06 technology
Which do you think is stronger?
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Edited on 1/31/2009 12:03 PM
Edited on 1/31/2009 12:03 PM
Post by: SVstar34 on January 31, 2009, 11:12:04 AM
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My Arsenal:
Bounty(4.5 x 4.75 Fresh 1000 Abralon)
Twisted Fury(5 x 4 500 Abralon + Reacta Shine)
Raw Hammer Pain(Leverage 1000 Abralon)
Blue Vibe(5 x 5 4000 Abralon + Reacta Shine)
Post by: Stormkid84 on January 31, 2009, 11:18:48 AM
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Post by: jbruno6 on January 31, 2009, 11:38:37 AM
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Post by: KingofKings696 on January 31, 2009, 11:44:04 AM
Post by: six pack on January 31, 2009, 11:48:24 AM
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Post by: David Lee Yskes on January 31, 2009, 12:09:28 PM
But as for a complete dry lane ball, i have a old Urethane Red Hammer that i use, and on flying backends that ball is the nuts, cuz it hook/sets into the pocket so the only thing i have to worry about is carry.
As for being diss'd about using a plastic ball who gives a crap, they are just jealous. back in the late 90's the house i bowled at was having a Oil embargo, and anything with a coverstock hooked alot, so I bought myself a Clear Wolf, and was still able to play a nice hook with the ball.
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Post by: charlest on January 31, 2009, 01:21:20 PM
quote:quote:quote:
It is true that Storm is lacking a weaker coverstock ball. The Creature and Link from 900g are excellent examples of balls with weaker covers than anything Storm has right now, and could use in their lineup. Even the Jolt cover was too strong to be a true dry lane ball.
The Creatures use Super-Flex, not a weak coverstock by anyone's imagination. Their utility is very silimar to the Street Rods. The SRs are slightly snappier but not a lot more, when both have the same surface finish.
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Not sure what the Link uses, but its high RG core, approximately 2.6, very like the Tropical Storm, and low differential is what allows it to be used on lighter oils.
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Super-Flex-1995-96 technology
Reactor 2005-06 technology
Which do you think is stronger?
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Edited on 1/31/2009 12:03 PM
Edited on 1/31/2009 12:03 PM
Super-Flex. The date it was created or labeled has nothing to do with it.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: los2003 on January 31, 2009, 01:40:46 PM
quote:
What about those silly "Trick Layouts" Tommy Jones used to use taking a long pin (4-5) and placing it real high:
--P--
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-0-0-
--c--
--O--
Anyone try this before? Just wondering. Like I said, dry lanes are my biggest enemy
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Post by: six pack on January 31, 2009, 02:44:07 PM
quote:
What about those silly "Trick Layouts" Tommy Jones used to use taking a long pin (4-5) and placing it real high:
--P--
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-0-0-
--c--
--O--
Anyone try this before? Just wondering. Like I said, dry lanes are my biggest enemy
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
I have a layout like this on a playmaker(pic in my profile)and it's not a weak layout.put it on a high rg core and the thing will probably flip like mad.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Post by: KingofKings696 on January 31, 2009, 10:22:29 PM
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This setup puts pin 1 inch off my pap then change surface as needed I found 4k abralon with polish is good.