Post by: Monster Stitch on September 18, 2007, 07:01:12 AM
They shouldn't of let him go. I can see they signed Riga Kalfas & David Leverage.
Jeff, do you know why they let Robert go?
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on September 18, 2007, 03:17:10 PM
I don't know if it is fair to call Elite "crap" but then again I wouldn't know because their balls are too expensive for me to take a chance on. Those Elite vs. Everyone Else promotions are cute but then I am screwing over my pro shop twice by ordering them online.
Post by: BrunsNick on September 18, 2007, 03:37:35 PM
Paradox.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on September 18, 2007, 03:40:25 PM
quote:Oww! My mind!!
thetruth says its the truth but The Truth doesn't agree.
Paradox.
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Post by: boondoggle on September 18, 2007, 04:51:00 PM
At the level of skill of an PBA exempt bowler I think the ball you put in their hands means very little.
When I say this I mean the wad of reason shaped like a sphere itself, and ONLY that.
There alot of things associated with a particular wad of resin that in the end are completely separate. For instance, there is inscribed somewhere on that wad a makers mark. It has nothing what-so-ever to do with the physics of your wad of resin, but if you believe that it does, it can have a MASSIVE impact on your game. Another thing that comes with the inscription is the help of that vendor. Ever the the commercials for Verizon Wireless and their network? Same idea. For the pro bowler certain wads of resin come with a braintrust which can be very important to their success. There are many other things but this post is getting long.
You have a perfect example of this in the case of the Track staff of last season. Two very talented National PBA champions joined the staff after longtime association with other vendors. One of them couldn't get things together, barely making match play, and the other went on to appear on TV more than anyone else and even won. The struggling bowler went back to his longtime vendor and immediately began to perform at the his previous level.
So having said that, it's the bowler(some are very independent;WRW, Norm Duke, Wes Malott; others... not so much) not the ball(but very possibly the balls "network").
And it remains to be seen what kind of bowler Robert is.
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Post by: BabyHammer on September 19, 2007, 03:12:13 AM
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Hey Dynoless daddy....i am gonna take your money when i get back!
}When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Post by: jablosa on September 19, 2007, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: shelley on September 19, 2007, 11:01:14 AM
quote:
Voss switched to Elite last year, if if my memory is correct, he did not make the exempt tour, hmm.. Fill me in, incase I am wrong, cause Brian was one of my favorite bowlers.
Voss is no longer exempt; he finished 41st in points, just outside the cut line. As Billy said, he had some physical injuries that kept him from bowling at his peak.
Yes, he did use Elite last season. He also used it the year before and won a title. It's not a quality of equipment issue, and aside from the folks that rag on Elite over their ball designs (or lack thereof) and pricing strategies, I don't think anyone here believes that the equipment isn't just as good as anything else.
SH
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Post by: boondoggle on September 19, 2007, 11:15:24 AM
quote:quote:
At the level of skill of an PBA exempt bowler I think the ball you put in their hands means very little.
two words - Patrick Allen.....
PA bombed cause he's weak between the ears. I addressed that in my extra long post.
Post by: demo40 on September 19, 2007, 11:27:24 AM
with a Green Alien from Elite?
Post by: zach2424 on September 19, 2007, 11:48:18 AM
Post by: dechrist on September 19, 2007, 11:53:43 AM
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Post by: shelley on September 19, 2007, 11:58:10 AM
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brian voss went to elite and did not make the exempt list.
No, Voss switched to Elite and won a title (with an R47, I believe). The next year, he also bowled with Elite and had some physical injuries that were probably not caused by dropping an Elite-brand bowling ball on his toe, leg, arm, head, hand, or any other body part.
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Post by: boondoggle on September 19, 2007, 12:06:11 PM
On Edit: On reflection it's probably more of an issue of staff support than confidence. Track probably offered more money but less technical support from the ball reps at tourneys. I believe that all manufacturers offer a wide enough variety in their line-ups to match up to anyone with the right drilling and surface preps.
Edited on 9/19/2007 12:16 PM
Post by: C_J on September 19, 2007, 12:20:20 PM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on September 19, 2007, 12:40:44 PM
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Oh, I know. He turned into a giant moth and saved South Park from MechaStreisand. No? On, wait...wrong Robert Smith again.
Sweet.
Post by: Dead Flush on September 19, 2007, 12:49:36 PM
Overpriced? Yes.
Overhyped? Yes.
But definitely not crap.
Hmm. Sounds like another ball company I know of...
Post by: marsden74311 on September 19, 2007, 01:00:16 PM
Post by: dechrist on September 19, 2007, 01:04:23 PM
Not that Track isn't good stuff - It is, but it might not have fit his style very well. I think that Randy Petersen said something like that one of the weeks he was on. Maybe his spare shooting was down...
Oh boy, here I go - Blaming the ball. I think it was probably all of the above, and maybe other factors that we didn't know about...
And it really didn't he had to be "off" very much to make a huge difference - The averages that the exempt players have are close enough that 5 pins will make a HUGE difference.
quote:quote:
At the skill level that the exempt (or near-exempt) players have, they could throw Maxims, White Dots, or Storm Soccer balls and beat most of us soundly. At that level it's more about the bowler than the equipment.
The question isn't whether they can beat us... of course they could. The question is whether they can still compete against their exempt peers. As stated before... after switching PA couldn't.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on September 19, 2007, 05:04:28 PM
Anyway I wish Robert luck as Maximum Bob was one of my favorite bowlers to watch bowl. I doubt we will see him on TV much unless Elite's wizards can come up with a way to get their equipment the length Robt needs. All of the old school Brunswick rehashed technology is roll and hook happy.
Stronger midlane is definitely NOT what Mr. Smith needed in his game.
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Post by: BrunsNick on September 19, 2007, 05:10:24 PM
quote:quote:
thetruth says its the truth but The Truth doesn't agree.
Paradox.
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Wow nicky it's been so nice lately since you haven't been stirring things up.
What's been the problem did you get little talk from someone at Big B telling you to try acting like a grown up?
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Post by: toomanytenpins on September 19, 2007, 06:13:55 PM
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Post by: charlest on September 19, 2007, 08:32:52 PM
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Say what you want...if Smith makes a couple of shows....sales WILL go up. Look at the huge Dynothane boom of 2003-2004 when they were all over TV. PEople all over the map were picking up the Soaker balls.
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Post by: shelley on September 19, 2007, 10:37:04 PM
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brian voss also retired didnt he
I don't think he will be bowling full-time, I doubt he'll be chasing the tour around like Dino Castillo did this year. A few events, the majors, maybe.
Hard to say whether he would feel the same way if he were still exempt. Probably not.
SH
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on September 20, 2007, 12:32:03 PM
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brian voss also retired didnt he
I hope not! If he was injured last year I hope he can make a comeback.
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on September 26, 2007, 01:29:34 PM
When it comes to what company is better then what company, there is definitely a difference. This is highlighted by the return of Hammer. For those that don't know, Hammer had resin before anyone but the owner wanted no parts of it. They made X-Caliber and Hammer fell off! Ebonite revived the Hammer name and now you see "spider" balls everywhere. LOL Someone noted Big B makes the Elite technology. Big B has not been heard of on tour for real since the first year or two they had control of the oil. Big B has been synonymous with early roll, bet RS cannot wait to have some balls that are not clean through the fronts. LOL
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Post by: Gunny on September 26, 2007, 07:14:30 PM
havent heard that in a long time!
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Post by: mainzer on September 27, 2007, 12:42:56 PM
What would all you guys say if he comes out of the gate throwing hellfire and brimstone down the lane winning tourneys left and right. Would going to a different compnay be stupid then?
What if he matches up better with Elite?
Storm might be good but they are not the greatest IMO
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on September 27, 2007, 02:13:24 PM
Talent, everyone has it on tour...a mental game, everyone does not...equipment, have the right ball and it can help a bowler get where they want to go. I am a Robert fan, until the PBA gives the boomers a pattern where they can free up the swing, it's going to be tough gaining the confidence to win. Chameleon, Cheetah, Viper are all at the gutter early...HELLO WALTER RAY!!! Shark, sure you can play in, cannot boom though. Cannot kick in on the Scorpion either and just get loose. I know someone remembers the original Cheetah when Bob was bouncing the Boost from rail to rail on what was then called "E". PBA took that right away, not going to let someone with more God-given physical ability just dominate where they are comfortable unless they go by WRW.
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Post by: shelley on September 27, 2007, 02:23:37 PM
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Elite has not shown there stuff is "winning" material yet.
Umm, didn't Voss win in Birmingham (http://"http://pba.com/news/features.asp?ID=4371&Type=0") throwing an R47? Maybe you think you know otherwise, but you don't.
quote:
Duke was a free agent bowling with Storm by choice. Don't tell me about Voss being hurt, in case people forgot, Duke bowled injuried and was kicking butt.
Actually, Duke withdrew from no less than 7 tournaments last year because of injury. Didn't finish higher than 64th place. Not exactly kicking butt during his injury.
Just sayin'.
SH
Post by: PikevilleBwl on September 27, 2007, 03:27:14 PM
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on September 27, 2007, 03:34:30 PM
Duke had a broke toe, not a stubbed toe. And no doubt a back with TAKE YOU OUT of bowling. But my man BV has not had any real action armed with those Elite balls. Maybe they are good, but they are like Lane 1 rocks...to much money for no extra performance.
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Post by: shelley on September 27, 2007, 03:53:05 PM
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I love that we remember the ONE title Voss won with an Elite ball.
If we're going to rip on the fact that Elite balls have only been used to win one title, let's not forget the other smaller companies with no wins in recent times. When was the last time a Rotogrip ball won a stop? Fine equipment, I don't see anyone really complaining about Tommy D's choice to use it or not. AMF, too. And who can forget Lane 1?
It's not the quality of the equipment that's at issue. Making shows is not about how good the equipment is.
SH
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Post by: scotts33 on September 27, 2007, 08:09:03 PM
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It bull Robert is trials bound because now he don't have the support he did with storm. Storms tour rep helped everyone on there staff in every event but im not so sure elite has the experience yet.
jefftaker2002,
So you know, X Guy Billy Yinger is one of the most experienced tour reps working the PBA. Maybe you didn't know this.
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on September 28, 2007, 01:08:59 PM
--->KNOWLEDGE!!!
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Post by: jefftaker2002 on September 29, 2007, 10:01:35 PM
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It bull Robert is trials bound because now he don't have the support he did with storm. Storms tour rep helped everyone on there staff in every event but im not so sure elite has the experience yet.
jefftaker2002,
So you know, X Guy Billy Yinger is one of the most experienced tour reps working the PBA. Maybe you didn't know this.
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no i didnt know. I have only heard about things on this subject so i meant that from my point of view
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Post by: Joe Jr on September 29, 2007, 10:14:20 PM
I just hope he made the switch based on ball reaction and not because of money, because Patrick Allen showed what can happen when you don't match up with company.
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Post by: Rev_O on September 29, 2007, 10:16:11 PM
Maybe Robert wanted to change? Does anyone really know for sure the real reason whether he was let go or walked on his own? Don't be so quick to judge someone's decision.
As for CJ's comment about PA and the lefties, maybe sour grapes, but there was a stretch where the lefties had here until next tueday and the righty's had like 1/8" in comparison. Personally, I don't think the Track stuff at that time maytched up at all with PA's roll. He won a few regionals with Track equipment, but weren't the regionals on different patterns than the tour was then?
AS for Brian Voss, let him do it his way. He was injured last season and that didn't help his cause to end up not being exempt. He also is not a real big fan of all of the tehnology and is very outspoken about it if I remember correctly. I'm sure we'll see him again sometime soon. He is a MAJOR championship winner as well as a HALL OF FAME member.
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