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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: billdozer on September 17, 2015, 12:21:21 PM
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It is out in less than 30 days. Why not promos, videos, etc?
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Hype seems to be down everywhere. Honestly I feel like the industry is in a lull and no one is really doing anything radically different. I feel like every company is pretty evenly matched right now when you compare equipment
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Storm pricing is getting a little high. Might have something to do with it idk
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I disagree with both statements.
In response, all the more reason to promote your product. If everything is evenly matched...then reach out to the customer and promote your products. If they raise the price then they have more marketing dollars.
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I agree it is more reason to promote. In my mind Storm and Roto promote new releases the least of any company now. They've become the Yankees/Patriots of bowling, they now sit back and watch people flock to them and repeat buy on the brand alone
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I just received mine yesterday ... want some hype. It is the worst smelling ball they have ever made :)
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I remember when balls like the lucid came out they tried to hype the ball to be a great ball, yet wasn't really. Not saying the lock won't be but the only hype vid Ive seen is the one where they used with wesley low using a couple of locks with different layouts and surface. Also, I know its kind of beating the dead horse, but the price increase will affect sales, either for better or worse. But lets face it not everyone is gonna be thrilled to buy a $170 ball then pay for drilling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKSJLq4KBkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vvJVaXRoDk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhZ65u0A5ys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llc1LdRk3Tc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRQTsDDgrhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh2GDdCfsB0
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I just received mine yesterday ... want some hype. It is the worst smelling ball they have ever made :)
seriously?
I was considering buying one just because it does smell like ginger snaps (my favorite cookies)
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I know that people's senses of smell vary. Could be I got a bad batch. It has a chemical smell to me. Maybe you can go to a pro shop and "smell their balls"? :) sorry, couldn't resist.
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I would buy it but.. 170? no thanks :P rather buy a skull spareball that blinks the eyes than the lock ;D
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Watching Joshua Taijiri throw it the ball looked nice. I can't really think of what that ball reminds me of at this time. Definitely not just another high end asymmetric. It has a different motion to say the least. I kinda want to punch one.
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Watching Joshua Taijiri throw it the ball looked nice. I can't really think of what that ball reminds me of at this time. Definitely not just another high end asymmetric. It has a different motion to say the least. I kinda want to punch one.
It's got storms version of the critical theory written all over it. Color, finish, probably numbers..
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Didn't know storm made a new ball till now
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Maybe because in three more weeks there will be another next best new ball?
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Then 3 weeks later, another one !
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In all honesty its probably a revamped crux, everyone complained about the cover. So this IMO a crux rehash..
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True. Crux cover was weak, lane shined quickly, and got lazy on the backend quickly, took a lot of maintenance.
It reminds me of a Paradox, which reminds me of a Crux with a better cover . .
In all honesty its probably a revamped crux, everyone complained about the cover. So this IMO a crux rehash..
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Storm nixed the Crux line after a lawsuit with Mo. They can still sell them, but they are better off just coming out with the a new core and line. Which they are.
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Lawsuit with Mo? Now this I have to hear.
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BRIGHAM CITY, UTAH AND MUSKEGON, MICHIGAN: Storm Products, Inc., Brunswick Bowling Products, and MoRich Enterprises, Inc. announced today that they have settled the patent infringement litigation in the United States District Court for the District of Utah. The settlement relates to a MoRich patent, licensed to Brunswick, that relates to a particular type of bowling ball core, which Brunswick and MoRich have claimed is infringed by Storm Products’ CRUX and CRUX PEARL bowling balls. The core used in the CRUX and CRUX PEARL bowling balls is known as the CATALYST core. Storm Products brought the lawsuit in Utah asking the Court to declare the patent to be invalid and not infringed. Brunswick and MoRich counterclaimed in the lawsuit asserting Storm Products infringes the MoRich patent by making and selling the CRUX and CRUX PEARL bowling balls. The parties stated that the settlement, which ends the lawsuit, will allow Storm Products to continue selling its CRUX and CRUX PEARL bowling balls without restriction and without modification of any kind, including to the CATALYST core, which is featured in the CRUX and CRUX PEARL bowling balls and will continue as an integral part of the bowling balls. All other terms of the settlement are confidential.
This is what I have on it.
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What core does he have a patent on that resembles the crux? Also, is Morich part of Brunswick because of Mo? I'm confused.
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Ok, never mind. I got the info. Smh.
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Mo probably thinks they are copying his finger scoop "technology"
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Mo probably thinks they are copying his finger scoop "technology"
I have no knowledge of it, but I wouldn't think so? The two scoops are intended to do two entirely different things. The Mo finger scoop is supposed to alter reactions more with different layouts. The crux divot is supposed to keep the reaction the same regardless of drilling.
Too bad, I like my crux pearl.
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On second though, I'd highly doubt it has to do with the scoop, since the patent is from the MoRich days. The finger scoop is Radical stuff.
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On second though, I'd highly doubt it has to do with the scoop, since the patent is from the MoRich days. The finger scoop is Radical stuff.
The patent was originally filed in 1998 for the one in question
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Off set technology I believe.
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I have thrown the LOCK. It is scary strong! Bar none, the strongest ball I have ever thrown. I swear they misnamed it. It should be named the Bulldozer! I have thrown it on the USBC Nationals shot, the Shark pattern and our heavy house pattern. I drilled it at 3-7/8 x 5 x 1-3/4 which is supposed to make a strong turn at the end of the pattern. At the end of the pattern, it made a turn like a tank. It continued through the pins like a bulldozer. The pins left the deck in clumps of 4 and 5 and it looked like the sweep was pushing them off.
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Another glowing review by a Storm staffer telling all of us this is the greatest, strongest ball on the planet. I think that is what was said for the Crux, which was anything but the greatest ball ever produced by Storm. Cruiser core or no Cruiser core. Enough with the HYPE already!
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Same thing was said about the Sync. We all saw how that ball sold.
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well said bowlaholic
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Same thing was said about the Sync. We all saw how that ball sold.
Untrue. I said it was the strongest. Unless I am bowling on a lot of oil, it will stay in the bag. The only place I can use it, is in a house that I am not bowling in this year. I don't like the real strong balls as a rule. I said it was scary strong, I didn't say it was the best ever. I use the right balls for the condition. If I am not on the shark or similar, I will probably not be using it. I have too much hand and not enough speed.
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Off set technology I believe.
I think hammer 3d offset technology. I believe that was Mo's design for hammer
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Off set technology I believe.
I think hammer 3d offset technology. I believe that was Mo's design for hammer
Mo owns the patent for the technology. Which is why Radical is the only brand allowed to use it.
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I'm not sure what is with the negativity spewed by some. Staffers are staffers for a reason; they are supposed to try to help the company they represent sell bowling balls. Now, that doesn't mean that every review has to be a carbon copy of the one that came before it claiming that every new ball is the best ball ever. Still, do you really expect staffers to come on here to say that their company's newest ball sucks and that nobody should buy it? Would you do that if you were on a staff? As such, you have a couple of choices; don't read reviews written by staffers, or read them, but take into account that part of their job is promotion. I'm not sure why so many people on here have to be rude and negative about everything. Get some happiness into your lives! : )
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I agree Gene as long as the info is somewhat true. Now of it goes as far as giving poor advice then that's wrong I seen nothing wrong with this post.
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And I agree that some staffers are much more objective than others. Take Riggs as an example. He doesn't claim that every Storm/Roto piece is the best thing since sliced bread. He makes it clear that some balls match up much better for him than others; still, he stays mostly positive. Then again, the guy has also been a staffer for a LONG time and has credentials out the wazoo to keep that position. As such, he probably feels a bit more comfortable in his position than a lot of the younger, less-renowned staffers do. As you said, I don't think that there is ever an excuse for a staffer to try to mislead people into thinking a ball is something it's not. Still, as I said before, you can't very well expect them to come on here and say that a ball is a giant turd either, so take their reviews with a grain of salt. It's no different than looking for biases in media, advertisements, etc.
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The crux was offset?
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Crux
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Weapon of Mass Bias
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I wonder if Mo has made more off the crux line than the Guru line ? ;D
Jokes all around here guys.
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Description of Lock sounds like it might be Storms answer to the Paradox, which by most accounts is going to be a hugely successful ball.
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dmonroe814's staff review for the Lock is hype. Why.... because all he said was "scary strong", "strongest ball he has ever thrown", "misnamed it...should have been called bulldozer", "turns like a tank", "continued through the pins like a bulldozer", "pins left in clumps" (now that's a new one!).
Nothing was said about what the ball would not do in it's performance review.
If you remember the hype for the Crux, Storm had a video throwing it through peanut butter, chocolate sauce, whip cream, jelly, etc. to prove the ball would be the strongest hooking monster with the Cruiser core that was ever produced.
It was not!!!
So are we now to believe the Lock is the hook monster of all time. I can't wait for Storm's video for the Lock showing it hooking on 50 weight oil mixed with sawdust.
No one is being rude or negative, just realistic.
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I get what you're saying; it's frustrating to read "reviews" that aren't helpful. Then again, 95% of the reviews on this site, even the ones from non-staffers, aren't very helpful. Most people only take the time to write a review if they love the ball or hate it, so you either get over-the-top praise or limitless contempt. As such, it's on you to pick and choose who/what you're going to read and listen to. Maybe you should only read reviews from members you trust and respect. Maybe you shouldn't read any reviews written by staffers because, as I said before, you know that those will mostly likely be largely promotional in nature.
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Gene, your right.
I for one cannot understand why any person with integrity would want to be a staffer if they are to scared to state any of the less than positives for a ball in their review. To me its like selling yourself down the river just to walk around telling everyone your a staffer and you get free or next to free bowling balls, shirts, etc.
That's why I respect Riggs. He pretty much tells it like it is. He's not perfect, but his reviews are head over heels over the rest.
BTW Riggs' 11Frame site is going to paid subscription. I for one will subscribe. He is a class act and if the sub fees help him bring more of his quality to bowling, it will be money well spent.
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Gene, your right.
I for one cannot understand why any person with integrity would want to be a staffer if they are to scared to state any of the less than positives for a ball in their review. To me its like selling yourself down the river just to walk around telling everyone your a staffer and you get free or next to free bowling balls, shirts, etc.
That's why I respect Riggs. He pretty much tells it like it is. He's not perfect, but his reviews are head over heels over the rest.
BTW Riggs' 11Frame site is going to paid subscription. I for one will subscribe. He is a class act and if the sub fees help him bring more of his quality to bowling, it will be money well spent.
I know what you are saying here but holding some no name staffer who just started posting and likely after a few months we will never hear from again to the same standard as you do Riggs isn't really fair. Riggs has a name in the industry and can get away with being more honest than some other guys can.
If it is a puffball piece (and I agree with you it was) than accept it as such and move on. If it is poor advice or completely incorrect then their is an issue.
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They lost riggs who was honest.
Why try to "promote" anything its really all the same but to league hacks who can reqd motion or numbers it looks great. That is the marketing scheme every company has gone to with the decline of "real" bowling
I should sign in more here i guess
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Ok so we have a 30 sec cruddy video with norm Duke.
Why cant Storm produce quality ball release video? Like brunswicks, or hammer?
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Ok so we have a 30 sec cruddy video with norm Duke.
Why cant Storm produce quality ball release video? Like brunswicks, or hammer?
because they don't have to? They are the largest ball manufacturer in the world. They have raised their prices a crossed the board and people still walk in asking for the next newest ball.
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Ok so we have a 30 sec cruddy video with norm Duke.
Why cant Storm produce quality ball release video? Like brunswicks, or hammer?
because they don't have to? They are the largest ball manufacturer in the world. They have raised their prices a crossed the board and people still walk in asking for the next newest ball.
keep telling yourself they dont have to.......then watch this almost 7 minute video and reevaluate that thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9QSgVyO-N4
the lock will have videos but I think because some of the reviews were mixed on the crux and crux pearl they are taking a different approach with this release.
The best selling ball for them will be the 30th anniversary ball. HP balls can be too hit and miss for people but some are starting to learn how much more usable the lower price point equipment is and how much better they can score with it consistently. they are also learning this because of the continued increase in cost of HP bowling balls.
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But that makes them look inferior. I'm just saying. They should have a multitude of information available for consumers. If they are the market leader they should act like it.
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You guys crack me up. Many complain about staff reviews and videos being too one sided as they only show strikes. Now, the same people complain about a company not having this website littered with "this is the best ball ever" videos. smh.
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You guys crack me up. Many complain about staff reviews and videos being too one sided as they only show strikes. Now, the same people complain about a company not having this website littered with "this is the best ball ever" videos. smh.
I think you may have never been around bowlers before. Reality does not apply
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At least we haven't heard rumors of PSA to pin distances being greater then 6.75" that is a good thing. Already ahead of the Crux line
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You guys crack me up. Many complain about staff reviews and videos being too one sided as they only show strikes. Now, the same people complain about a company not having this website littered with "this is the best ball ever" videos. smh.
Just saying...it would be nice to see a comparison video. Instead we get Duke sitting in front of the pins rolling a fake strike lol.
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The ball is a Lock.…
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Scott Widmer, Josh Tajari, and Wesley Low (spelling for all names may be off slightly) all have videos out. That's 3 different styles all throwing he Lock. Hopefully this will pacify some of you until the rest of the staffers spam youtube with strike fest videos.
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Scott Widmer, Josh Tajari, and Wesley Low (spelling for all names may be off slightly) all have videos out. That's 3 different styles all throwing he Lock. Hopefully this will pacify some of you until the rest of the staffers spam youtube with strike fest videos.
Yup the videos popped up very quickly after our ballreviews uproar...(jk) it looks pretty good i must say.
Still stupid if u ask me to start hyping a ball 9 days before launch. I am completing a business degree with Purdue which is contains heavy duty marketing...they get a F on marketing in my book.
I was wanting a calm video featuring Victor talking about the mountains again :( jk hahaha
I want a lock and a black IQ Tour pearl now AhHhhhhhh
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After the Bowlexpo/30th anniversary ball problem and now the non-advertising for The Lock, it makes you wonder what is going on in the marketing department. Did Storm hire someone new to run that department?
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After the Bowlexpo/30th anniversary ball problem and now the non-advertising for The Lock, it makes you wonder what is going on in the marketing department. Did Storm hire someone new to run that department?
No clue but they need some help sheesh!
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There are 8 videos on YouTube of the lock that are over 3 days old. The ball releases next week. What other asymmetric ball releases next week? The ball will fly off the shelf because it hooks. Not because staffers throw YouTube strikes.
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There are 8 videos on YouTube of the lock that are over 3 days old. The ball releases next week. What other asymmetric ball releases next week? The ball will fly off the shelf because it hooks. Not because staffers throw YouTube strikes.
Ha-ha YouTube strikes. Any other company woulda gave it more time. Hell they still might say there is too many pre orders and put it on delay. They haven't done that in a while.
If u applaud them for doing a 12ish day marketing push for their "new tech" good for you, I know I'm right though. OFCOURSE it will sell you're also right, but I think they could have done a better promotion, is all!
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I never said I applaud then for waiting until 2 weeks before the release date to push the ball. But they also aren't pumping a ball 2 months before the release date either. The Viral Solid was announced at Bowl Expo yet didn't release for 2 months after. So there is a fine line of too far out and too close. It seems about 3 weeks out is the norm.
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I never said I applaud then for waiting until 2 weeks before the release date to push the ball. But they also aren't pumping a ball 2 months before the release date either. The Viral Solid was announced at Bowl Expo yet didn't release for 2 months after. So there is a fine line of too far out and too close. It seems about 3 weeks out is the norm.
I'd have to agree. Promotion starting about 3-4 weeks before release feels about right. I wasn't a fan at all of Hammer making people wait on the Viral Solid after announcing it, I think that night have cost them some sales
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I never said I applaud then for waiting until 2 weeks before the release date to push the ball. But they also aren't pumping a ball 2 months before the release date either. The Viral Solid was announced at Bowl Expo yet didn't release for 2 months after. So there is a fine line of too far out and too close. It seems about 3 weeks out is the norm.
True
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The ball looks great and according to my pso he's sold a number of them with positive feedback so far.
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The ball looks great and according to my pso he's sold a number of them with positive feedback so far.
Umm the release date is still week a way so I'm not sure how he's been able to sell a number of them
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It's for sale on the shelf when I was by last Friday, not sure if they just shipped him a bunch too early or what