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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: lbss831 on May 17, 2014, 12:48:26 PM
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Just looking for some comparison and feedback from anyone who has thrown them both.
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Hyper Cell has a stronger core and cover. Zero in my perspective fits under the Hyper when it becomes to much ball
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I agree. Hyper Cell is a true heavy oil ball. Zero Gravity is a strong medium to heavy oil ball. Would be good combo. If you only bowl house patterns, you will get more play with the ZG. Both great balls for their intended purpose.
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Man...I need a ZG now. My hyper can be used for all 3 sometimes...but the zero would be a nice fit because I usually ball down from my hyper to my VR solid.
Hyper
Zero
VR solid (hyroad solid soon?)
I'll be unbeatable on da china! Synthetic China that is!
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Hyper is a lot of earlier hook than the zero. I can't throw my hyper out if the box on my house condition, but the zero I can.
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Hyper is a lot of earlier hook than the zero. I can't throw my hyper out if the box on my house condition, but the zero I can.
^^This^^
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Wait til we get to compare it to the new critical theory (roto grip sinister)
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Wait til we get to compare it to the new critical theory (roto grip sinister)
Yes sir!
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I need a ball that will get to the head pin when there is oil. I have a Zero, but I could not consistently get it to face the pocket. On a THS it works great. I have been told it's not the amount of hand I put in the ball but the amount of 'tilt' I apparently don't have. I saw a lot of people scoring well with the Hyper at Nationals. I also have an IQ Tour Fusion. Is the Hyper something I should add?
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I need a ball that will get to the head pin when there is oil. I have a Zero, but I could not consistently get it to face the pocket. On a THS it works great. I have been told it's not the amount of hand I put in the ball but the amount of 'tilt' I apparently don't have. I saw a lot of people scoring well with the Hyper at Nationals. I also have an IQ Tour Fusion. Is the Hyper something I should add?
Shameless thread jack! LOL JK.
Yes Hyper is a great ball for heavy oil. I would also suggest the Marvel-S(my personal choice) and some have had great success with the Sync as well.
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I need a ball that will get to the head pin when there is oil. I have a Zero, but I could not consistently get it to face the pocket. On a THS it works great. I have been told it's not the amount of hand I put in the ball but the amount of 'tilt' I apparently don't have. I saw a lot of people scoring well with the Hyper at Nationals. I also have an IQ Tour Fusion. Is the Hyper something I should add?
I have a lot of tilt as well. Basically this means when you release the ball, the initial axis tilt of the ball isn't 100% horizontal. Kind of like how planet Earth has a 24 degree tilt, bowlers can have some tilt with their initial roll.
That said, I tend to prefer balls with more surface and lower RGs. Also, differentials lower than 0.050 are best for me...anything more makes the ball really uneven and inconsistent.
Before you buy a Hyper Cell, try your Zero G at 2000 or even 1000 - you'd be surprised just how aggressive that ball gets :)
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I think you misunderstood him. He said he doesn't have a lot of tilt. I also assume he wants to keep his ZG as is because he said it worked for him on THS.
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Yes, apparently I don't have enough tilt. Keeping my Zero for sure. Had it at 1,000 at Nationals. Maybe I just throw it too hard-though I don't try. I'm 6'5" with long arms-physics takes over and it goes fast...
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I would highly recommend the HC to 700 virgin. Best true heavy oil ball I have used in a long time. Sounds like our styles may be similar, and the HC has worked well for me over the past month at two events I bowled. Also have and like ZG but does not compare for me in oil.
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Well, we'll see what happens. In the shop right now waiting for holes!
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Generally speaking, (i say general bc i dont know the rest of your specs) those with Low tilt (less than 12*) will usually find smoother surfaced (2,000 and up) asymmetrical balls to be their best option when they need something to get in and turn the corner hard with. Reason being, is low tilt can essentially be looked at similarly to a rev dominant bowler. Meaning, both have a harder time getting the ball down the lane while retaining enough axis tilt and rotation to provide the energy needed for the backend and pin deck. especially on burnt up conditions. On burnt up conditions, you can pretty much kiss all your strong symetrical balls goodbye, as symmetrics burn axis tilt at a rate of more than twice that of an asymetrical ball.... (im talking pre-drilled symetrics btw, for those who might chime in with the smart *ss coment stating that all drilled balls are infact asymetrical.. I think we all know that)
So if you indeed have what seems like a lot of hand, and your tilt is excessively low (exccessively low i would say below 9*) then stick with layouts that help retain the little amount of tilt that you are able to exert on the ball at the point of delivery. I.E. Pin distances between 1.5"-3" depending on the amount of track flare your looking for-on asymetrics
And PIn distances between 4.25-6" on symetrical balls, again depending on the amount of intended flare.
Please realize there is a lot more to this to take into consideration, like speed, revs, axis rotation, lane conditions, pattern etc. But in general, keep to those basics about choosing layouts to help preserve tilt.
Im the opposite, i need long pins on my asyms. And short on my syms, due to having almost 33* of axis tilt coupled with 65* of rotation lol.
But thats another story
Sean
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Loved the explanation above.
Simple answer. Hyper will hook more than the Zero. Five it enough oil, please.